When will the contract extension expire for Disney Employees?

[B1GxFOOT]

Here is something that is probably coming sooner than we all expect. Instead of paying a person at the Ice Cream cart to sell Ice Cream bars and soda, there will be vending machines. Lot cheaper to operate than paying someone $20 and hour. Also, probably a lot more efficient with less miscounting change or giving away free product by accident.

They are already starting down this path with Mobile Order. Cheaper to pay 2-3 counter workers supporting MO than 10 without. Have you been to a McDonald's lately? I can't order at the counter at the one near us now. You have to use one of the giant touchscreens in the lobby to place your order.
These companies probably would have gotten to this point eventually but unskilled labor demanding skilled labor wages will drive technological adoption faster than anything else.

 

[Disney Bobby]

In 40 years, a job paying $18/hr today SHOULD be paying $48/hour, based on an inflation value of 2.5%. Given the rise in inflation we've seen in the last few years, $60/hr sounds about right in 2063.

Actually, you are correct. That does sound about right.

And that's the deal that Disney has offered that you say is a terrible offer and was rejected.

$18 + $40 ($1 raise/year X 40) = $58.

 

[FastPasser.]

I'd like to see that. Can you give me a link?

I would too. As a CM during that time I never heard that story, not that I was aware of everything going on behind the scenes.

 

[New Mouse]

Sorry, but visiting the parks regularly I see lots of upkeep & maintenance going on. I also see new attractions being built.

Then why the significant downtime for rides?

 

[DLgal]

Actually, you are correct. That does sound about right.

And that's the deal that Disney has offered that you say is a terrible offer and was rejected.

$18 + $40 ($1 raise/year X 40) = $58.

But it's a bad deal because it relies on a flat dollar amount, rather than adjusting for real world inflation. Why not just offer to raise a percentage that matches inflation, plus raises for longevity? That should be standard practice.

 

[New Mouse]

But it's a bad deal because it relies on a flat dollar amount, rather than adjusting for real world inflation. Why not just offer to raise a percentage that matches inflation, plus raises for longevity? That should be standard practice.

Because that would be too fair for the employee.

 

[DLgal]

Because that would be too fair for the employee.

Wouldn't want that.

 

[HashberryOTG]

But it's a bad deal because it relies on a flat dollar amount, rather than adjusting for real world inflation. Why not just offer to raise a percentage that matches inflation, plus raises for longevity? That should be standard practice.

Are they allowed to cut pay if the opposite happens? It's rare, mostly devil's advocating here, but the actual inflation rate as released by the feds is generally not that significant (I had to recalculate it for years as part of my job). The flat 1$ works out to well over average inflation for a good portion of time.

 

[New Mouse]

Are they allowed to cut pay if the opposite happens? It's rare, mostly devil's advocating here, but the actual inflation rate as released by the feds is generally not that significant (I had to recalculate it for years as part of my job). The flat 1$ works out to well over average inflation for a good portion of time.

Except 2 things....they were stagnant forever before going up to the $15 so they were well behind where they should have been to start. The $1 is not in perpetuity

 

[Disney Bobby]

But it's a bad deal because it relies on a flat dollar amount, rather than adjusting for real world inflation. Why not just offer to raise a percentage that matches inflation, plus raises for longevity? That should be standard practice.

No, it shouldn't. In a market based economy, employers should pay what the market demands. Nobody should get a raise just because prices go up. Nobody should be entitled for a raise because they got a year older. And if they have to pay more for labor due to a shortage, they shouldn't lock themselves into paying that rate for when the opposite happens.

 

[Disney Bobby]

Are they allowed to cut pay if the opposite happens? It's rare, mostly devil's advocating here, but the actual inflation rate as released by the feds is generally not that significant (I had to recalculate it for years as part of my job). The flat 1$ works out to well over average inflation for a good portion of time.

Legalize the millions that came here illegally in the last couple of years and see what happens to labor prices. The same people screaming for $20 an hour because of labor supply and demand would flip out if Disney dropped pay to market value when labor supply and demand isn't in their favor.

And you would quickly find out that making beds and handing out ice cream bars isn't skilled labor worth paying high wages.

 

[New Mouse]

Legalize the millions that came here illegally in the last couple of years and see what happens to labor prices. The same people screaming for $20 an hour because of labor supply and demand would flip out if Disney dropped pay to market value when labor supply and demand isn't in their favor.

And you would quickly find out that making beds and handing out ice cream bars isn't skilled labor worth paying high wages.

You're kind of arguing both sides of the fence here. You're correct, but the people with the same mentality of why they shouldn't get a raise are the exact same people who don't want to solve the labor crisis by legalizing immigrants. Immigration reform would also provide a huge boost to our tax base and economic growth as well.

But regardless, as is there is a major shortage for "unskilled" labor. As such, Capitalism would show that prices need to go up to meet the market, or alternatives that don't currently exist neeed to be implemented.

Disney would be smart to get a jump on this before Epic Universe opens as the labor market will be absurd in the area at that time.

 

[lyric_rains]

Anyone watch Tom Corless of WDWNT rant on this topic? He is pushing all media outlets and basically anyone on social to keep publicizing the labor issue by posting and reposting until CMs get a better contract. I don’t see a lot of response to his push. I’ve heard Rhino speak about labor negotiations in a recent episode of DIS unplugged, but I wonder if the DIS, WDWNT and others could work in unison to spearhead positive media force supporting CMs. It seems anyone in this industry needs to weigh Disney media access with CM support for wage increases. Collaboration between social media entities to support CMs in a labor dispute, doesn’t seem likely, but I wish they would.

 

[Disney Bobby]

You're kind of arguing both sides of the fence here. You're correct, but the people with the same mentality of why they shouldn't get a raise are the exact same people who don't want to solve the labor crisis by legalizing immigrants. Immigration reform would also provide a huge boost to our tax base and economic growth as well.

But regardless, as is there is a major shortage for "unskilled" labor. As such, Capitalism would show that prices need to go up to meet the market, or alternatives that don't currently exist neeed to be implemented.

Disney would be smart to get a jump on this before Epic Universe opens as the labor market will be absurd in the area at that time.

No, I've been consistent throughout. Let the market decide. Obviously, the market for Disney isn't as tight as many think, because they are fully utilizing some of the current staff. On the other hand, you want the market when it is advantageous, and when not, everyone should just be paid enough to "survive" anyway, no matter what the market says, because it is right and fair. Guaranteed percentages raises based on inflation because it's "fair", no matter what the market says. Immigration reform flooding the market with unskilled labor, but high minimum wages, but still expecting high quality and low prices when you buy something. All the upside, none of the down side. Sorry. It just doesn't work that way. The market determine "fair", and in the end, the market always wins.

 

[Disney Bobby]

Except 2 things....they were stagnant forever before going up to the $15 so they were well behind where they should have been to start. The $1 is not in perpetuity

How was it behind? That was where the market says it should be. The same market you claim should put them higher now.

And why would any business commit to anything in perpetuity?

Seem you just want a wage based on what you feel, and the market is just an excuse when convenient.

 

[DLgal]

No, I've been consistent throughout. Let the market decide. Obviously, the market for Disney isn't as tight as many think, because they are fully utilizing some of the current staff. On the other hand, you want the market when it is advantageous, and when not, everyone should just be paid enough to "survive" anyway, no matter what the market says, because it is right and fair. Guaranteed percentages raises based on inflation because it's "fair", no matter what the market says. Immigration reform flooding the market with unskilled labor, but high minimum wages, but still expecting high quality and low prices when you buy something. All the upside, none of the down side. Sorry. It just doesn't work that way. The market determine "fair", and in the end, the market always wins.

"The Market" is corrupt. It's as simple as that. Corporations have been exploiting workers forever. That should change.

People on fixed incomes due to retirement and disability receive annual COLA adjustments that are tied to inflation. Social Security, SSI, SSDI VA disability, Military Pensions, ALL receive these, annually. Why? Explain why these people get these raises and why no one else "deserves" them.

 

[Douglas Dubh]

Explain why these people get these raises and why no one else "deserves" them.

If you’re working at a job and feel you’re underpaid, you can look for another job. If you’re on social security you can’t go looking for another social security.

 

[DLgal]

If you’re working at a job and feel you’re underpaid, you can look for another job. If you’re on social security you can’t go looking for another social security.

The point is, the government recognizes that the spending power of a dollar decreases every year, prices go up, etc. Why can't corporations understand this?

 

[Douglas Dubh]

The point is, the government recognizes that the spending power of a dollar decreases every year, prices go up, etc. Why can't corporations understand this?

They do. Most union contracts contain wage escalations. Most companies give most nonunion employees cost of living raises annually.

 

[Disney Bobby]

The point is, the government recognizes that the spending power of a dollar decreases every year, prices go up, etc. Why can't corporations understand this?

Maybe because corporations can't:

go $31+ trillion in debt and still stay in business
take money out of people's paychecks every week whether like it or not
print money
create a ponzi scheme like SS legally