When did teacher bashing become acceptable?

It is a long day for them It was even longer when I worked for Edison Schools under Flint Schools. They had over an eight hour day! including KDG! Poor babies! I felt so bad for them being in school all day long.
 
How do you become a teacher in the US?

Each state has their own teaching certification process. Around here if you received your teaching degree from out of state, you have to have a qualified university in the state go over your college transcript and approve your course work for their certification. I was denied certification in Missouri because I did not have a math course nor a history class on Missouri's history. For my Kansas certification I had to take a certain class on special ed students even though I had taken a similar class in Iowa. I guess it wasn't "special" enough. States also require certain tests, kind of like boards, but they are pretty easy.

Keep in mind that these high salaries, like $100K, are few and far between. LI, NY has such a high cost of living that I would probably end up on the losing end even though the pay is almost $40K of what I make now. I live in a $200K house that is 4-bedrooms, 9 years old, in a great suburb with excellent schools. Doubt I could buy much for $200K in Long Island. Plus those teaching jobs would be nearly impossible to get.

All school districts in the US have websites that show their salary schedules; likewise, each state's Dept. of Ed. has a website explaining how to get teacher certification. Many inner-city and rural school districts are in great need of teachers, but these tend to be the lower paying districts.
 
So does this certification come from a specific teaching course at college?

Do they pay you to train or do you fund yourself?
 

While you work like a dog for ~9 months of the year, you have other times where you are NOT putting in all that work.



Exactly. It's called being a professional, salaried employee. There are lots of them in business. They often work long hours at work and at home and on weekends. I don't think my CPA is especially noble for doing that. :confused3
 
Here is the payscale for the NY public schools. http://schools.nyc.gov/NR/rdonlyres...2A6CF754EEC/12738/certifiedteacherssch101.pdf


How is he making 98,000 a year?
I'm sure you realize the obvious: this salary scale is for teachers who live in one of the most expensive areas of one of the most expensive cities in the world. It is in no way representative of the majority of American teachers.
Teaching AP classes does not increase your salary. Senior Class Advisor pays a little extra (in my district, it's like $500 a year - LOL!).
Ditto for our area. Teacher pay is based upon years of service, not academic level; special ed teachers make the same amount as AP teachers.

As for bonuses, our department chairperson makes an extra $50/month, and each new teacher is assigned a mentor who receives a small stipend for the first year he or she "helps" that new teacher. Coaches receive a stipend at the end of the season; however, it ends up being less than a dollar an hour, and it's a thankless job. EVERY teacher sponsors at least one club or extracurricular activity, and EVERY teacher works at three sports events or dances every year -- without pay.
Seriously, though, I like our system. It judges you as a teacher, not as an academic.
I agree. I remember two college professors who were absolutely brilliant men, but they were in it for the research opportunities; they were very, very bad at "getting down to a student's level" and they were not skilled at imparting knowledge to other people. Does a teacher need to be smart? Well, yes, but a teacher doesn't necessarily need to be class validictorian. Having the right personality is very important, and that's not something that can be taught.
• Most I know of live in very nice neighborhoods and drive BMW's, Hummers, etc.
• My mom was an office aid/worker in a nearby county for many years and if she wasn't grading their papers or making their copies she was disciplining their students. He words were believe me, they don't have it bad at all and they rarely go home with anything to do.
• And lets don’t forget the BONUSES - some may get them, some may not, but ours got a $3400 bonus jujst this summer. And that wasn't even their first bonus of the year or the first year getting them.
• Around here they are paid to earn their masters during the summer and they don't have to pay to earn it either.
Teachers new what they were getting into when they got into that field so quit griping!
Things must be very different in other places because our parking lot is full of Fords and Hondas; I know one teacher who drives a Jag, but her husband's a plumber.
No one EVER makes copies or grades our papers; we are allowed to send out-of-control students to the office, but that's only when things are really out-of-control -- for example, kids who are fighting.
Because I live in a wealthy county, I get a once-a-year supplement of about $750.
We can be reimbursed 50% of the cost of graduate classes after we show a passing grade; books, fees, and other related costs are our own responsibility. A person who tried to earn a masters' degree during the summer semeser only would require at least six summers to complete the degree, and that assumes that the classes would all be available during the summer sessions.
Yes, I knew that I'd work long hours and earn a small paycheck; however, I'd always wanted to be a teacher, and I felt it'd be a good working-mom job. What I didn't expect was the general dislike that so many other people have for teachers.
LMAO!! My poor laptop monitor! ahhhh no. We, and I bet you are the same, can't even have a Christmas party unless it is on our buck.
Yep, we pay $5 each for our Christmas party too! Actually, I think that's appropriate; with the shortage of money in the public schools, it'd be wrong to use that money for parties. Our perks: We get breakfast on the first teacher workday of the school year, we usually get staff shirts once a year, and we get a lunch at the end of the school year -- oh, I forgot the biggie: we get free tea in the cafeteria during lunch.
Yes. I have quite a few teachers in my neighborhood of multi-million dollar homes (some husband/wife teacher duos, some husband teacher/wife nurse and one wife teacher/husband attorney). Teachers in my district typically retire at about $110,000 - $160,000 depending on stipends, level of education, etc. One gym teacher retired at $180,000 because of all the coaching stipends and clubs he tacked on his last couple of years - younger teachers stepped aside and let him take them all so he could "beef" up his retirement numbers. They receive 75% pension (so they bring home $75K for every $100K they earned the last two years of teaching when retired), plus full medical and dental . . .
Most teachers in my school make exactly what the salary scale says they make + the county supplment ($750 a year, and taxes take a huge chunk since it's unearned income); coaches are paid a small supplement, which works out to less than a dollar an hour once the practices, games, and travel time are calculated. I'm glad I'm not qualified to coach anything! Most of my teacher friends are middle-class -- they're certainly NOT living in the lap of luxury as some people on this thread are suggesting, and if they were, we might not be facing a serious teacher shortage in our area!

Our retirement is calculated as follows:
The average of the highest 4 years' salary X .0182 = _____ X years of service = yearly pension.

The calculations for a person who teaches for 30 years and retires with BOTH a masters degree AND National Board certification (this would be the highest possible pension, so most people would make less) would look something like this:

60,000 x .0182 = 1092 x 30 years = 32,760/year
In addition, basic medical (not dental or eye coverage) is paid in full for the retiree (not spouse or dependant children) until Medicare kicks in. The retiree is also eligible to buy supplemental insurance through the state.
Not a bad deal, but also not 75% of one's final salary.

Lest anyone question it, here's the NC Retirement Benefits handbook: https://www.nctreasurer.com/NR/rdon...2-A8C67D328217/0/NCYRBTeaStateFINAL031607.pdf
When the middle and high schools wanted to start the day closer to 8am in order to let the teens sleep in a little bit longer (fully supported by dozens of scientific studies that state that teens clocks are timed differently), the union went nuts.
Yeah, it's been suggested here, but it's not the teachers who are against it -- and we don't have a union. Instead, it's the parents and the teens who are dead set against it. Think about it: If we start high school an hour later, sports teams can't start practice until an hour later, and the kids'll get home very late. Also, the majority of our older high schoolers have part-time jobs, and they "need" to leave school by 2:30 to get to work. (I'm not a big fan of high schoolers working, but that's another topic.)
See, there's the difference. Our school does not offer after school tutoring, Saturday school or summer school. As I mentioned in an earlier post, the only schools that offer summer school are a few of the public schools and the summer school jobs are snapped up by their employees long before summer school even starts.

Our school doesn't permit us to "sell" our tutoring to parents. If they ask about tutors, we're supposed to refer them to the office. I do not know why ... I suppose the school prob. take a cut. I don't tutor b/c I don't have the time.
Ditto.
So does this certification come from a specific teaching course at college?

Do they pay you to train or do you fund yourself?
The typical pathway is as such:
People who want to teach elemetary school go to college for four years and earn a degree in Elementary Education. People who want to teach high school earn a four-year degree (i.e., English, Biology, or math), and they also take education classes. Regardless of the intended certification, the last semester of college is student teaching. During that semester, the student is paired up with a teacher in a local school and -- under that teacher's supervision -- teaches the children. Towards the end of the college coursework, the prospective teacher must pass several national exams; finally, the teacher must be licensed by the state. The teacher's first license is good for three years; after that, a new license (which requires continuing education coursework) must be obtained every five years.

People who've already earned degrees and worked in other jobs may enter the teaching profession in a number of other ways, but what I've described is the most common way.

Some very good full-ride scholarships are available to the top-top students who want to become teachers; however, these are very competative. Many states also offer scholarship/loans to prospective teachers; these are "repaid" through service. However, like most college costs, the majority of one's teaching preparation is paid by the college student and/or his parents.
 
Disclaimer here – I haven’t read the whole thread as I have been planning lessons for next week. Thought I would give the perspective from Scotland. I have always wanted to be a teacher and went straight from school to University to teacher training college. I have taught for 15 years and love it. I am a High School Biology teacher in a private school so I am lucky that I don’t have the behaviour problems a lot of teachers have. I make about $60,000 a year – that is divided over the year so we are paid for vacations – I am working towards my masters. Most teachers have your equivalent of tenure. My school hours are 8.25am – 3.30am with the expectation we help with extra-curricular activities.
A typical school day for me would be 7am till 5pm. We get a 20 min interval – I am lucky if I get 10 mins to have coffee and run to the toilet. Lunch break is 1 hour and I do take 20 mins out of that to go down to the staff room and have lunch. The rest is spent with pupils, young teachers needing support or pupils. I always do an extra 2- 3 hours work Monday – Thursday at night. And yes I work weekends as well.
I know I do too much when my 15 year olds come back after the summer break demanding to know how many times I was in school and nagging me for overworking. The first day back I was in 7am – 7pm, prior to that I was texting former student teachers to wish them luck with their own classes, then from 7am supporting new colleagues within the department, helping with new technology, counselling former pupils, doing some teaching and when I was on the bus home I was phoning a former colleague to see how she got on at her new school. If I had relaxed once home then I would have no lessons prepared for the next day! I am “fortunate” I am not married and have no family – I sacrificed a personal life for my career – a decision I certainly do not regret but I do not allow anybody I support to follow the same path.
I am no martyr and I love my job but it would be nice if we were appreciated.
Wendy
 
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The typical pathway is as such:
People who want to teach elemetary school go to college for four years and earn a degree in Elementary Education. People who want to teach high school earn a four-year degree (i.e., English, Biology, or math), and they also take education classes. Regardless of the intended certification, the last semester of college is student teaching. During that semester, the student is paired up with a teacher in a local school and -- under that teacher's supervision -- teaches the children. Towards the end of the college coursework, the prospective teacher must pass several national exams; finally, the teacher must be licensed by the state. The teacher's first license is good for three years; after that, a new license (which requires continuing education coursework) must be obtained every five years.

People who've already earned degrees and worked in other jobs may enter the teaching profession in a number of other ways, but what I've described is the most common way.

Some very good full-ride scholarships are available to the top-top students who want to become teachers; however, these are very competative. Many states also offer scholarship/loans to prospective teachers; these are "repaid" through service. However, like most college costs, the majority of one's teaching preparation is paid by the college student and/or his parents.

Thanks. The way it most commonly works here is:

You either do a 4 year Education degree which gets you a BA and then QTS (Qualified Teacher Status). Normal BAs here at 3 years
OR
You do a minimum of a batchelors (3 years at college) and then apply for a PGCE (Postgraduate Certificate of Education) to get your QTS.

There are other ways to go into it if you don't have an academic background but I'm not entirely sure of the details of these.

The way I'm doing it is the second way I mentioned:
  • Got my BSc (Geography)
  • Just finishing my MSc (Sustainable Development) - didn't need this to do teaching but it's my field of interest
  • Starting my PGCE (Secondary Geography) in a month

You can get funding towards a PGCE. If you're doing a key subject (i.e. something they're short of), you get £9,000 tax-free bursary ($18,000) for the year. My subject isn't a key subject this year so I only get the lower amount, which is £6,000 for the year ($12,000). You never have to pay this back.

On top of this you have to pay £3,000 in fees ($6000). You get a £1200 tax-free bursary towards your fees ($2,400) which you never have to pay back. In addition, you're allowed a student loan towards the remainder of your fees so you don't have to pay anything up front.

You're also allowed £2,200 in student loan towards living costs ($4,400).

The course takes 10 months. Various higher education establishments run them differently but the way mine works is that I spent the first term (10 weeks, October - December) at University, and then I spend January - June on placements in school (during this time you get 4 weeks off for school vacations).
 
It sounds like you get a lot more funding to get your teaching certification. There are a few scholarship opportunities here and some grants if you choose to teach in certain areas, but most people end up paying the ridiculously high college tuition-- basically the same cost as a student would pay who is in business, engineering, pharmacy school, etc.
 
It sounds like you get a lot more funding to get your teaching certification. There are a few scholarship opportunities here and some grants if you choose to teach in certain areas, but most people end up paying the ridiculously high college tuition-- basically the same cost as a student would pay who is in business, engineering, pharmacy school, etc.

Yes but we don't have "private" and "state" colleges. Everyone on every course is entitled to the same funding.

The maximum anywhere can charge for fees is £3,000 ($6K). All students are entitled to a full loan to cover this. All students are also entitled to a minimum loan of £3,000 ($6K) a year to cover living costs, too. If your income is less than £26K ($52K) you're entitled to bursaries to cover part or all of the fees and extra loan to cover living costs.
 
Our elementary teachers spend exactly 2 1/2 hours a day with their classes. They are given two prep periods a day. Have no lunch, recess or hall duty (we hire aides and assistants to do all that).

I'd really like to see that worked out on paper. I also have two preps, don't do lunch or recess duties, and yet --- I have 5 contact hours with my students daily. Here's the math:

School hours: 8:55 - 3:25 (6.5 hours)
Lunch - 30 minutes (6.0 hours)
Recess - 30 minutes (5.5 hours)
Special class (art, music, PE, library) - 30 minutes (5 hours)

I can't imagine how teachers are spending too much less than that.

Why *should* I have lunch, hall and recess duty? You try to eat lunch with a roomful of elementary school students. Not very conducive to good digestion! The special class is my morning planning time, recess is my afternoon planning time. Lemme tell ya - - if my kids had to rely on me to take them outside, they'd never go unless the temperature was over 65! I don't like the cold, and yet I live in Western NYS -- go figure! Our playground monitors take them out all winter long - YIPPEE!!! -- the kids love it!

I'm a professional and I deserve to be treated like one.
 
Lemme tell ya - - if my kids had to rely on me to take them outside, they'd never go unless the temperature was over 65! I don't like the cold, and yet I live in Western NYS -- go figure! Our playground monitors take them out all winter long - YIPPEE!!! -- the kids love it!

Like you, I live in Western NY State and I won't take the kids out after mid-October until May! It's just too cold and the playground is too muddy or wet or yukky! Plus, we'd all freeze! Half the kids don't even come to school properly dressed for the outdoors to begin with!!!! I take 'em up to the gym and let 'em loose there.
 
Like you, I live in Western NY State and I won't take the kids out after mid-October until May! It's just too cold and the playground is too muddy or wet or yukky! Plus, we'd all freeze! Half the kids don't even come to school properly dressed for the outdoors to begin with!!!! I take 'em up to the gym and let 'em loose there.

Oh, don't get me started on kids not coming prepared to play outside. But the teachers solved this problem by donating winter clothing to the school. We have a local grandma who knits mittens and hats for the kids, too! So now when a kid comes unprepared, they just go to the special room and get whatever they need. And if they honestly don't have the clothing at home, they're allowed to keep it.
 
Our children go out unless it's raining heavily. Some parents complain if they are out in a bit of light drizzle, saying they shouldn't be outside. I always want to say "Look, this is England. If they didn't go out in rain they would never leave their house!"
 
Wow, after 30 yrs of teaching, I am making much less than many of you and I'm in a very urban school. We receive no extra pay for being in an underperforming school, mine is a K-8 school.
Just this past January I began a new position as an Instructional Specialist, I now work with ELA teachers to model and support strategies which will reinforce the 90 min instructional block (in the middle school grades)we all must follow! I must keep and chart data on a group of students that I specifially teach (20 % of my day is my teaching).When the 45 of us teachers began this job, we had to agree to go to whichever school they decided we should be at - have to say that this newer school (83 yrs old) was not one I would have ever dreamed of working at.
Know what - despite any preconceived notions I might have had, there are so many wonderful kids and adults there. Based on their cultures and lifestyles, the students have so many challenges and so do we adults. School offers them 2 meals a day and a safe haven to get off the streets. Like any other classroom you all work in, problems exist. My colleagues wear multiple hats, and realize that an education is not the primary goal of many of these kids some days, survival is!
I am there in spirit with you all - we have just a few more days til the new year begins. Hoping your year is enjoyable too. :teacher:
 
Teachers new what they were getting into when they got into that field so quit griping!



I have never witnessed so much disdain for people that spend 7+ hours a day with your children:sad1: Your babies. Your flesh and blood. Your most prized possession.

Personally, I could never send my children to spend hours and hours with someone that I felt so negative about:sad2:

I am so happy to live where I live and have the teachers that my children have. I love each and every one of them :love: and I wished they were paid more:cloud9:
 
I am so happy to live where I live and have the teachers that my children have. I love each and every one of them :love: and I wished they were paid more:cloud9:

You're sweet. But I, for one, don't want more money. Really! I think I make a decent salary for teaching where I do. I'm a happy girl! I just get ticked off when people tell me how easy I have it. Like they know!
 
• Most I know of live in very nice neighborhoods and drive BMW's, Hummers, etc.
• My mom was an office aid/worker in a nearby county for many years and if she wasn't grading their papers or making their copies she was disciplining their students. He words were believe me, they don't have it bad at all and they rarely go home with anything to do.
• And lets don’t forget the BONUSES - some may get them, some may not, but ours got a $3400 bonus jujst this summer. And that wasn't even their first bonus of the year or the first year getting them.

I've been teaching for over 20 years, and I don't know one single teacher who drives a BMW or Hummer (or a Lexus, or a Mercedes, or any other luxury vehicle you can name). Actually, my SIL is a 1st grade teacher who drives a Lexus, but my brother is the Vice President of an advertising agency, and he bought it for her. And anyway, why do you care what kind of car teachers drive? How do you know that they're not in debt up to their ears or that they married rich, or that they came into an inheritance? Why does it matter?!?!?! Do you know what kind of car your mail carrier drives? Or your bank teller? I don't get why you would care what kind of car a teacher drives??!! :confused3

I'd love to know in what district the school secretary is allowed to grade papers. Good grief. Our secretaries are so incredibly busy, they'd tell us where to put those papers if we asked them to do some grading for us! :rotfl:

I've also NEVER ever heard of a teacher getting a bonus. As previously mentioned by another poster, we pay out of pocket for our Christmas and end-of-the-year parties. I pay around $1500-2000 out of pocket every year for classroom supplies (the district gives me a whopping $140 a year!). My SIL, whom I mentioned above, works in a very wealthy district in CT. She has never gotten a bonus. (My brother, on the other hand, sometimes gets bonuses equal to my annual salary!)

I think you're full of hot air. And nice way to hide behind a new username.
 





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