What's with the Jesus skywriting?

[Lucky82061]

You now what I hope? I hope on Sunday 10/29 he will write some football scores in the sky while I am at MK. I certainly don't want to waste time turning on a TV, but a quick glance at the sky wouldn't take too much away from my day.

I think that would be great... like one of those scrolling tickers you see on the bottom of the screen on ESPN. just look up to see your teams score

 

[briar_rose_59]

LMAO! Then maybe they could post wait times for the rides up there too! But only so us DISers can see them!! Don't need everyone in the park knowing when Splash has a 5 min wait!!!

 

[robinb]

I think that would be great... like one of those scrolling tickers you see on the bottom of the screen on ESPN. just look up to see your teams score

The main problem is that this guy works so slow it would take hours for him to get to your team!

 

[luvnlife]

The main problem is that this guy works so slow it would take hours for him to get to your team!

And what religion are you cause I def. want to convert to the one that makes fun of people.

 

[NewEnglandDisney]

And what religion are you cause I def. want to convert to the one that makes fun of people.

LOL, news flash : some people don't subscribe to organized religion because they feel that their spritual beliefs are private and don't need to be told by some company what is "right" or "wrong".

This guy is a nutjob, any way you cut it. Check out his website. It's incoherent babbling about "I suggest you pay attention and be saved!".

Now, before someone jumps down my throat, I'd call him a nutjob, again, if it said "MIAMI DOLPHINS!" up there. Anyone that spends that kind of time, energy, and money on something that is so gaudy, tacky, and unnecessary as this.

He may have done it a few other places, but the fact remains he consistently does it over WDW. Don't tell me it's not on purpose - that's just silliness.

A few people don't get it, and keep saying "what's the big deal?" because they agree with the graffiti. That is very short-sighted. Someday they are going to be offended by something, and I guess we can all sit back and just say "What's the big deal if someone skywrites over WDW 'Religion Kills'", or some other saying that they don't agree with.

The big deal is, religion does not belong at WDW. This guy is a nutjob for doing what he does (skywriting anything). The sad part is I'm sure he loves the attention, loves the controversy, and loves that people can't stand him. People like that talk the "holy" talk, but don't follow the "walk".

NED

 

[carrie s]

LOL, news flash : some people don't subscribe to organized religion because they feel that their spritual beliefs are private and don't need to be told by some company what is "right" or "wrong".

This guy is a nutjob, any way you cut it. Check out his website. It's incoherent babbling about "I suggest you pay attention and be saved!".

Now, before someone jumps down my throat, I'd call him a nutjob, again, if it said "MIAMI DOLPHINS!" up there. Anyone that spends that kind of time, energy, and money on something that is so gaudy, tacky, and unnecessary as this.

He may have done it a few other places, but the fact remains he consistently does it over WDW. Don't tell me it's not on purpose - that's just silliness.

A few people don't get it, and keep saying "what's the big deal?" because they agree with the graffiti. That is very short-sighted. Someday they are going to be offended by something, and I guess we can all sit back and just say "What's the big deal if someone skywrites over WDW 'Religion Kills'", or some other saying that they don't agree with.

The big deal is, religion does not belong at WDW. This guy is a nutjob for doing what he does (skywriting anything). The sad part is I'm sure he loves the attention, loves the controversy, and loves that people can't stand him. People like that talk the "holy" talk, but don't follow the "walk".

NED

Yes,he probably did do it over WDW on purpose.He knows alot of different people are there so he can reach more people that way.

There are things that offend Christains all the time. Christains and Christ are mocked all the time on tv and other places.So if your waiting to sit back and watch us get upset over something like that you are going to have a long wait.If that was going to happen it would already of happened several times.

You really shouldnt be judging the skywriter.The only thing that you know about him is that he writes in the sky.You dont know why he does it and how he lives his life when hes not in the sky.

 

[Joyce Kingkade]

LOL, news flash : some people don't subscribe to organized religion because they feel that their spritual beliefs are private and don't need to be told by some company what is "right" or "wrong".

This guy is a nutjob, any way you cut it. Check out his website. It's incoherent babbling about "I suggest you pay attention and be saved!".

Now, before someone jumps down my throat, I'd call him a nutjob, again, if it said "MIAMI DOLPHINS!" up there. Anyone that spends that kind of time, energy, and money on something that is so gaudy, tacky, and unnecessary as this.

He may have done it a few other places, but the fact remains he consistently does it over WDW. Don't tell me it's not on purpose - that's just silliness.

A few people don't get it, and keep saying "what's the big deal?" because they agree with the graffiti. That is very short-sighted. Someday they are going to be offended by something, and I guess we can all sit back and just say "What's the big deal if someone skywrites over WDW 'Religion Kills'", or some other saying that they don't agree with.

The big deal is, religion does not belong at WDW. This guy is a nutjob for doing what he does (skywriting anything). The sad part is I'm sure he loves the attention, loves the controversy, and loves that people can't stand him. People like that talk the "holy" talk, but don't follow the "walk".

NED

I tolerate all kinds of things that I have to see and I do not like at Disney, but would be blasted for saying I do not agree with them. You must know this skywriting man to say he does not follow the walk. He is not hurting anyone, and maybe he is following a higher authority than Disney!!! Let's face it, people are intolerant of Christianity. You are only giving more credence to the skywriting by protesting so loudly!

 

[DRRluvsWDW]

Gee Whiz - It's a freedom of speech. We were in WDW last week and while spending a few hours at the pool at ASMo, we saw the skywriting "Jesus Loves You" - my thought was "WOW, someone spent a lot of time and money to tell the world just a little bit about Jesus!"

Sorry, I just don't get the complaint here

It is clear that people are affected by the message, but if they are so uncomfortable or worried about discussing the most studied man in history with their families, maybe they should self-evaluate why this is such a problem for them. If Christianity is not your belief, investigate why. Most of us need more info than "because I said so" or "because I feel this way about it" or "this is the way it has always been done." This is why we are here on the DIS. We want to talk to those who have been there, done that. We all comunicate our beliefs through our everyday lives- our words, our clothes, etc. The point of the skywriting is to get US thinking and then learning. Even on vacation, JESUS does love us, and that is the starting point. Even with Fastpass, we might have to wait in line for a few minutes, this skywriting is a good family conversation starter, teachable moment, or a time to give thanks that we have been blessed to have this memorable vacation!

 

[BlindTyldak]

Out of curiousity, do you mean "Born again Christians" or some type of radical Christians? I have spent my whole life surrounded by Methodists, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Catholics, and so on, the term Christian covers a lot of different faiths, and have never found this description to apply to anyone other than the gentlemen from the Church of Latter Day Saints. We always call them the Mormons. I do not even know if this is the correct label.

Anyway, what surprises me the most about this thread and the other is what a specific stereotype people have for such a broad group of people. The term Christian is such an all encompassing term for anyone who believes in Jesus Christ. Obviously everyone on the DIS boards could be labeled "A Lover of Disney World," again another very broad label, but could we all be labeled as "thrill ride junkies" or "commandos" or "LOTW"? Obviously not.

Me personally, I would rather not see the Jesus skywriting, but oh well such is life. I will choose to focus on all of the magic around me instead.

Actually, you want to hear ironic? The only church I PERSONALLY have met that it would NOT apply to would be the Church of Latter Day Saints; I've made many very dear friends in the Mormon church (I think they dropped that term as well, but I can't get it out of my head from childhood commercials *chuckles* ) who took the first "I'm not interested in hearing about it" at face value and miraculously, never mentioned it again. I asked one after several years of never hearing a mention WHY, when time after time I've had to walk away from Christian "friends" who inevitably roll around to some sort of "you're wrong" discussion time and again (or their family, or spouses, or someone else that then feels like being my personal savior). Her answer? "You know who I am and what I stand for and where to learn more, you'll ask if and when you're ready, end of story". And again, it was never mentioned past that. I respect her for that IMMENSELY. But it should still be mentioned that again, this is PERSONALLY, and I have never lived close to the actual heart of the Mormon church.

And this has been Christians of every faith, including those you have mentioned, and more. I'm not saying EVERY Christian is like this, but I must call them Christians because that's what they are. I can't exactly call them Athiests, can I? Things like the Jesus skywriting are very much on the tame side of what I have seen coming from SOME Christians of all faiths. Some day I'll tell you about the vandalisms, harrassment, and getting my car rammed off the road I've gone through with the extremists, none of which were from chruches you'd consideri to be "bible-thumping".

 

[aztecgoods]

The bottom line is that it will continue until and unless FL passes a law against it. And/or the Federal Aviation Ad. folks. I have tried to see where some peeps on here are coming from and be open minded about why they would object to this.

The other bottom line is I think both sides have valid points. I am a Christian and it would actually thrill me to see this, for I actually think sky writing is pretty cool.

The other side I can see their point, what if it was an offenisve message, or GAY LOVE, where you would have to explain to your kids what does "gay" mean. And of course you cannot say that Christian messages are allowed but any other messages are not.

I tend to fall along the lines after listening to everyones opinion that it is free speech and should be allowed and if someone does write something that offends me, I will just have to say well free speech means that peeps have the right to offend others, and that is just part of a free society having free speech. There is no right to be "not offended." But there is a right to free speech. Being offended is not that big of a deal anyway. If you let yourself you can be offended all the time. The only thing that really offends me these days is my boss!

 

[orljustin]

There are things that offend Christains all the time. Christains and Christ are mocked all the time on tv and other places.So if your waiting to sit back and watch us get upset over something like that you are going to have a long wait.If that was going to happen it would already of happened several times.

Great. Here comes the "Christians are being persecuted" bit.

If Christianity is not your belief, investigate why. Most of us need more info than "because I said so" or "because I feel this way about it" or "this is the way it has always been done."

Just wondering if you have investigated into not believing in Jesus.

 

[aztecgoods]

Things like the Jesus skywriting are very much on the tame side of what I have seen coming from SOME Christians of all faiths. Some day I'll tell you about the vandalisms, harrassment, and getting my car rammed off the road I've gone through with the extremists, none of which were from chruches you'd consideri to be "bible-thumping".

Dude or dudette, that is horrible if you have been subjected to stuff like this. These peeps are NOT Christians, despite the fact that they may claim to be Christian. A real Christian does not vandalize, harrass, or any other violent type of act you've described. Its the same with the nuts that blow up abortion clinics. I don't advocate abortion, but I certainly would agree that anyone that vandalizes or attempts to bomb an abortion clinic, should be locked up for life, for they are a murderer, not a Christian. One wrong does not make a right. These type of militant type actions is the same as the PETA type peeps. I love animals and think they should be protected where appropriate (endangered species etc.) but the PETA group takes it to the extreme just like an abortion bomber.

 

[orljustin]

A real Christian does not vandalize, harrass, or any other violent type of act you've described. Its the same with the nuts that blow up abortion clinics.

Ok, so those people who believe that what they are doing in the name of Jesus is wrong, but the stuff you do is right? See? Slippery slope. Yes, sensible people would agree, but those people believe that what they are doing is right, otherwise they wouldn't be doing it.

The world would have been a much more peaceful place without all these belief systems.

 

[carrie s]

The skywriter has a plane,he can fly it and he knows how to sky write.He wants to use what he was given to serve God,to tell people that Jesus loves them.I really hope I see him when Im there in the summer.

He probably knows that writing "Jesus loves you "wont make someone suddenly become a Christain,but he knows it will get people talking about Jesus.He knows that some non Christains will be curious and go to his web site and he knows it will get them talking to Christains about it.Well,it worked.How many of you went to his web site,and this is the second thread on this message board talking about it.You may not like what hes doing but he got your attention.

And Jesus really does love you and wants you to turn to him.If you want to call me a nut job for saying that,go ahead,Im in good company.

 

[orljustin]

And Jesus really does love you and wants you to turn to him.If you want to call me a nut job for saying that,go ahead,Im in good company.

Ok, you're a nutjob.

 

[Lorelai]

LOL, news flash : some people don't subscribe to organized religion because they feel that their spritual beliefs are private and don't need to be told by some company what is "right" or "wrong".

Now, before someone jumps down my throat, I'd call him a nutjob, again, if it said "MIAMI DOLPHINS!" up there. Anyone that spends that kind of time, energy, and money on something that is so gaudy, tacky, and unnecessary as this.

A few people don't get it, and keep saying "what's the big deal?" because they agree with the graffiti. That is very short-sighted. Someday they are going to be offended by something, and I guess we can all sit back and just say "What's the big deal if someone skywrites over WDW 'Religion Kills'", or some other saying that they don't agree with.

NED

Jeez.. You folks have got Ned boiling again.

Hey Ned.. how's it going today? I just wanted to give you my 2 cents on what you posted here. Actually, it may be more like a cent and a half. But to me, it feels like 2.

As a Catholic I don't subscribe to my Faith so that I can be told when to turn left, and when to turn right. My beliefs, & my Faith, are my own. The Catholic Church is the section of Christianity which happens to most closely allign with my own personal views.

I don't appreciate you making a sweeping judgement that people who belong to an "organized religion" are allowing a company to tell them what is right and wrong. By labeling all humans who follow a named Faith or belief (Christian, Buddhist, Muslim, Jewish, The Church of Elvis) as people who cannot develop their own moral compass is a slippery slope. Fact is, there are plenty of folks in this world who abuse somethng that is meant to be innately peaceful and non-offensive by injecting their own "crazy" into the mix. And some of us "short sighted" folks know the difference between a peaceful believer, and a danger to humanity. People use the name of God to defend some seriously messed up behavior every day. But there are also many people who know the difference between right and wrong all on their own, they just love Jesus too.

Let's use your Dolphin analogy. Do Dolphin fans buy season tickets because the franchise has brainwashed them into believing that the Dolphins rule? No Ned, I say nay to that. Those ticket holders simply like the Dolphins. They want to experience The Dolphins with other Dolphin lovers. If others say to them "The Dolphins Suck!" or "The Dolphins are a sack of crap", it's not going to make them turn on the Dolphins, it will probably only make them more protective of their beloved Dolphins.

In turn, if a Dolphin player does something that a fan finds personally offensive, I don't know that the fan would support that players behavior.. just because they love the team in general. There are bad apples everywhere.

Just an opinion from one good apple to another. Have a good day Ned!

 

[luvthemouse71]

What news did the skywriter share? "Turn to Jesus" ? It's not like he provided any valid reason to. Or, should non-believers have an epiphany after seeing some goofball skywriting over Disney World? My feeling is that the people that like the message already have "turned to jesus" and all it does to others is turn them more against Christianity because of tacky and wacky things like this.

Exactly..Like I said, I wasn't offended because I've been exposed to religious fanatics before. They don't make me angry(unless they make it personal and start harrassing etc) if anything I feel kind of sorry for them. If you look at most(not all) Born-Agains, they tend to be recovering drug addicts, former criminals or mentally ill(and came from homes/families where mental illness wasn't treated, it was hidden out of shame). All they know is that "Jesus saved me" and they truly believe that they are doing a helpful thing. They don't realize that not everyone is so tormented and that they may be perfectly happy with their own religion or lack of one. They think everyone needs to follow their path, but IMHO, this is not done maliciously, it's just misguided and shows a lack of perception. As long as he's not getting in my face and pestering me, he can write in the sky all he wants. Look at it this way, it keeps him of the streets, handing you copies of religious pamphlets or off of the airways,begging for money on the 700 Club

 

[robinb]

If Christianity is not your belief, investigate why. Most of us need more info than "because I said so" or "because I feel this way about it" or "this is the way it has always been done." This is why we are here on the DIS.

The exact same thing can be said for people who are Christian. My guess is that the vast majority of people who are religious practice the same religion as their parents. My husband has a smart-Aleck answer to those who say to him: "Oh! You're Jewish!" It's "Only on my mother and father's side.". The other point I have to make is what makes you think that non-Christians have not investigated Christianity? I, for one, am a former Christian.

Even with Fastpass, we might have to wait in line for a few minutes, this skywriting is a good family conversation starter, teachable moment, or a time to give thanks that we have been blessed to have this memorable vacation!

I'll give you the "conversation starter" but not the "teachable moment". Unless it's to teach my DD that there are some crazy people out there who will want to convert her to their religion ASAP. I "give thanks" when the shy writer and his droning airplane (YES! You can hear it too!) finally flies away.

 

[Lorelai]

Ok, you're a nutjob.

I think we're on the decline. I see a hazy vision...wait for it.....it's a...it's a.....it's a lock! Nothing gets a thread locked faster than a personal attack.

 

[DRRluvsWDW]

Just wondering if you have investigated into not believing in Jesus.[/QUOTE]

YES!
I do not know if I can pass along exact web addresess yet, but check out Lee Strobel. He has books and a web site full of his first hand investigations!