What's with the Jesus skywriting?

[lovethattink]

So, bad things just sort of happen, but the good things all come because of god?

I'm not going to say anything bad, but what is wrong with assuming you had a lucky night? Or has she never been really low before that you luckily caught? I'll assume that god caused the diabetes. Why would he do that? Doesn't sound like "taking care of his children".

Sorry, obviously you have a belief system, and what I think just doesn't mesh with it, but that's the way it is.

Most of the Christians that I know, don't believe in luck or coincidence.

The whole book of Job deals with this guy named Job and the rotten stuff that happened to him. He asks why? His friends give him lots of possible reasons: Maybe he did something to tick God off or maybe he didn't do enough of something. Turns out that God allowed the bad stuff to happen to him because He knew no matter what Job would remain faithful. In the end, he rewarded Job many times over for everything he had been through.

There are excellent books out on the Christian market that explain why bad things happen to good people.

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

Not a personal attack. Just stating my point of view. A personal attack would be calling you a hypocrite which I did not.

Whatever... You say potato; I say potahto. From my side of the screen it looked like a personal attack that was totally uncalled for.

 

[Joyce Kingkade]

See, there's that pity and condescendingness that comes off when Christians feel the need to go around saving people. You don't see Jews walking about saying "I just prayed for your soul because I love you". That's why this skywriting guy is annoying as well.

Does praying for me make you feel better, or like you are accomplishing something? 'cause I'm not feeling a thing over here. That's like on "Amazing Race" last season when the female team kept praying for Jesus to help them find the clue to the next station.

You must have misunderstood something, I did not mean to sound condescending. I was trying to tell you, YOU have control. God placed you in charge of your own destiny. I did tell you I will pray for you and I will continue to do that. I cannot save you. Judaism is the foundation of Christianity. You are feeling a little outrage or annoyance because I am praying for you. I just know prayer works, maybe not today, maybe not in a year, but at some point my prayers will accomplish their goal. Let me encourage you to pick up a Bible and begin reading. You might surprise yourself. Have you ever really studied this Book or have you just put bits and pieces together from what you have heard? It is a Book to be experienced not just read. I have studied the book of Mormon, The Torah, and even the Quaran. The Bible is not only an accurate record of history, but what it says works! Still care about you whether you believe God's Word or not, or whether you like the skywriter or not, or whether you like me or not. That is one thing you do not have control of. It puzzles you doesn't it? She can't really care about me, she doesn't know me. Who does she think she is? Let me tell you, I am not important, but you are to my God. So if He cares so much, so do I.

 

[orljustin]

That's the great thing about having a god. You can attribute whatever you like to him, because you can't really prove it. I had a great day today, thanks to god. Broke my leg. Must be god testing me. Look at that flower, must be god's work.

I just know prayer works, maybe not today, maybe not in a year, but at some point my prayers will accomplish their goal.

And that's pretty convienent. Let's all pray that X comes out of a coma. 5 years from now he does. Must be because we all sat around praying, huh?

Sorry, but with all this praying and loving talk, you just come off to me as someone who enjoys sticking their nose where it isn't wanted.

 

[Laura]

You must have misunderstood something, I did not mean to sound condescending. I was trying to tell you, YOU have control. God placed you in charge of your own destiny. I did tell you I will pray for you and I will continue to do that. I cannot save you. Judaism is the foundation of Christianity. You are feeling a little outrage or annoyance because I am praying for you. I just know prayer works, maybe not today, maybe not in a year, but at some point my prayers will accomplish their goal. Let me encourage you to pick up a Bible and begin reading. You might surprise yourself. Have you ever really studied this Book or have you just put bits and pieces together from what you have heard? It is a Book to be experienced not just read. I have studied the book of Mormon, The Torah, and even the Quaran. The Bible is not only an accurate record of history, but what it says works! Still care about you whether you believe God's Word or not, or whether you like the skywriter or not, or whether you like me or not. That is one thing you do not have control of. It puzzles you doesn't it? She can't really care about me, she doesn't know me. Who does she think she is? Let me tell you, I am not important, but you are to my God. So if He cares so much, so do I.

I'm not orli, but I've been reading the Bible lately. I was raised Catholic and was never particularly encouraged to read it all the way through. I'm reading the New International Version, an English/Hebrew Tanakh and a translation of the original Greek New Testament. I can tell you this, it makes me glad I left Christianity. It really isn't for everyone. It's nice it works for you. You believe in prayer, I believe in the power of positive thinking.

And yes, the skywriter ruins the magic of WDW just as much as if he were writing "Eat at Joe's". I didn't see it on my last trip, but it would be rather annoying.

 

[Mrs.Toad]

But I do think there is a little difference in the messages being that one is an alternative lifestyle choice, the other is representative of what the largest group in the country (Christians) advocate, but I get your point.

Sorry, responding to this post late, but it's the one that that leads to a point I haven't seen addressed yet.

You seem to be saying it's OK to write "Jesus Loves You" in the sky because it's what the majority group believes, is that right?

See, to me, this is the reason that it becomes more offensive to non-Christians than other messages might be to Christians.

Generally speaking, majorities usually have the power, as Christians do in the U.S. As a Christian in a mostly Christian country, I would not be bothered by seeing a skywritten "Praise Allah". It would be very easy to ignore it.

But if I were in a mostly Muslim country, it would feel different to see those words written in the sky. It would be one of many constant reminders that I'm the minority, and that the majority think I'm wrong.

It's easy for us to sit here and say "I wouldn't care if another religion's message were written in the sky", but we really don't know how we'd feel until we've been the minority that has been treated less fairly and bombarded with messages that we're wrong.

 

[Joyce Kingkade]

That's the great thing about having a god. You can attribute whatever you like to him, because you can't really prove it. I had a great day today, thanks to god. Broke my leg. Must be god testing me. Look at that flower, must be god's work.



And that's pretty convienent. Let's all pray that X comes out of a coma. 5 years from now he does. Must be because we all sat around praying, huh?

Sorry, but with all this praying and loving talk, you just come off to me as someone who enjoys sticking their nose where it isn't wanted.

If you do not want response, why are you posting on a public forum? I will not respond to you again, we are all human and bad things happen to all of us, Christians, Jewish, Muslim, the difference is my God is alive! I am sorry for whatever happened to you to make you so anti - God. He cares too. We (Christians) still go through bad things, He just helps us through them. Hope you pick up the Bible and read it! Even if I am wrong about everything, and I have based my faith in Something false, I would not trade the life I have lived and the way I have lived it for anything! At the end of my life I will have nothing to lose. If you are wrong and you have missed this opportunity you on the other hand have everything to lose for an eternity! Please don't be so closed. We probably have more in common than not!

 

[cardaway]

If you are wrong and you have missed this opportunity you on the other hand have everything to lose for and eternity!

Be afraid, be very afraid.

 

[aztecgoods]

Sorry, responding to this post late, but it's the one that that leads to a point I haven't seen addressed yet.

You seem to be saying it's OK to write "Jesus Loves You" in the sky because it's what the majority group believes, is that right?

See, to me, this is the reason that it becomes more offensive to non-Christians than other messages might be to Christians.

Generally speaking, majorities usually have the power, as Christians do in the U.S. As a Christian in a mostly Christian country, I would not be bothered by seeing a skywritten "Praise Allah". It would be very easy to ignore it.

But if I were in a mostly Muslim country, it would feel different to see those words written in the sky. It would be one of many constant reminders that I'm the minority, and that the majority think I'm wrong.

It's easy for us to sit here and say "I wouldn't care if another religion's message were written in the sky", but we really don't know how we'd feel until we've been the minority that has been treated less fairly and bombarded with messages that we're wrong.

Again I think the easiest answer is that free speech should be all inclusive, even if it offends us, I wasn't saying that someone shouldn't be allowed to skywrite GAY LUV. Because in a free society I think they should. I was just trying to delineate between say G rated messages and PG, R, X messages and Gay Luv, in my opinion, would probably be closer to a PG or R message while Jesus Loves you would be more of a G rating. Using that kind of an analogy.

 

[robinb]

If you are wrong and you have missed this opportunity you on the other hand have everything to lose for and eternity! Please don't be so closed. We probably have more in common than not!

Give it up Joyce.

 

[cardaway]

I was just trying to delineate between say G rated messages and PG, R, X messages and Gay Luv, in my opinion, would probably be closer to a PG or R message while Jesus Loves you would be more of a G rating. Using that kind of an analogy.

I can't believe I just read that.

 

[aztecgoods]

Since this is on the community board now I feel a little more free to get off topic of Disney.

I know some vets that just returned from the war. And they say the same thing that has been said for a while now about war and people and God. "There ain't no aetheists in foxholes." Think about that. And why. Because every vet I've talked to says this same thing. Granted I haven't met every vet that's out there not by a long shot, but this has just been my experience.

 

[aztecgoods]

I can't believe I just read that.

Ok so your saying that saying Gay Luv is the equivalent of saying Jesus Loves you? One is about religion, one about an alternative lifestyle? If you think I'm so off base why don't you explain your reasoning.

 

[aztecgoods]

That's the great thing about having a god. You can attribute whatever you like to him, because you can't really prove it. I had a great day today, thanks to god. Broke my leg. Must be god testing me. Look at that flower, must be god's work.



And that's pretty convienent. Let's all pray that X comes out of a coma. 5 years from now he does. Must be because we all sat around praying, huh?

Sorry, but with all this praying and loving talk, you just come off to me as someone who enjoys sticking their nose where it isn't wanted.

Actually there are a lot of Christians out there that don't think that way. I don't go through life thinking that God is going to help me at every turn if I ask. Just the opposite. I personally don't think God interferes with us on Earth much. Maybe rarely because I have seen episodes of stuff that would be hard to explain other than God playing a role in it. Stuff such as a soldier being in a war zone, a loud voice in his ear suddenly screams at him to move over 50 feet or so, a shell suddenly hitting where he just was killing the people that were in that area. So I won't go so far as to say that I don't think that God NEVER intervenes, I personally do not know.

It is possible that these kind of things have other explanations, its not for me to say. I just know I have my faith and try to live my life as a Christian, because I feel like I have a better life because of it. And if I'm wrong and there is actually no God and it is all a big hoax then I still would have lived a better more satisfying life in any event.

 

[orljustin]

If you do not want response, why are you posting on a public forum? I will not respond to you again, we are all human and bad things happen to all of us, Christians, Jewish, Muslim, the difference is my God is alive! I am sorry for whatever happened to you to make you so anti - God. He cares too. We (Christians) still go through bad things, He just helps us through them. Hope you pick up the Bible and read it! Even if I am wrong about everything, and I have based my faith in Something false, I would not trade the life I have lived and the way I have lived it for anything! At the end of my life I will have nothing to lose. If you are wrong and you have missed this opportunity you on the other hand have everything to lose for an eternity! Please don't be so closed. We probably have more in common than not!

Who said I didn't want a response?

Nothing happened to me. That's just the way I feel. Actually, you know that children would grow up not believing in anything in particular. It's just because the parents teach them a certain way that they believe something.

Why would I have everything to lose? I thought god loved me? Is he so superficial that my little insignificant self not believing in him during my spec of a life is going to bother him so much?

 

[cardaway]

Ok so your saying that saying Gay Luv is the equivalent of saying Jesus Loves you? One is about religion, one about an alternative lifestyle? If you think I'm so off base why don't you explain your reasoning.

IMO there is no reason behind thinking "luv" of any kind is wrong.

Alternative lifestyle -

 

[BurkeTribe]

Um no not the bottom line at all. It just looks that way because the vast majority of people that feel the need to proselytize are Christians. In fact I specifically stated that I would have the exact same issue with any religious message being skywritten at Disney and I know I am not alone.

I agree and go further-- I have an issue with ANY message (advertisements) being skywritten, pretty much anywhere. (reiterating message #156)

Even if it's "SURRENDER DOROTHY"

 

[aztecgoods]

IMO there is no reason behind thinking "luv" of any kind is wrong.

Alternative lifestyle -

So now being Gay is not even considered an alternative lifestyle. I think most peeps would completely disagree with you dude or dudette. I'm not saying you don't have the right to be gay. Just that it IS an alternative lifestyle. Most peeps are straight. That's just a fact. Its no different than saying, most peeps won't get to play in the NFL. Most peeps don't play for your team.

 

[JennyMominRI]

So now being Gay is not even considered an alternative lifestyle. I think most peeps would completely disagree with you dude or dudette.

I agree with Cardaway

 

[Crankyshank]

I agree with Cardaway

me too.
Can peeps even voice an opinion?