What's in a BLT? - Or, Configuration of the Tower *UPDATED 11/23*

[kmann728]

35B should be showing up soon. That's the unit that I own part of and I have an estimated closing date of Sept 6. I also have a Feb UY.

 

[wdrl]

Does the particular phase that's been declared or sold have any significance?

I've read some stuff on this board that suggests a room category can go into dvc inventory only when a corresponding phase with that room category is declared/sold.

Is that true? For example, say that right now, the sold phases at BLT contain 65 lockoffs. Does this mean that only 65 1 BRs and 65 studios are available for DVC reservations? Or can DVC allow reservations in any combination of units, so long as the overall points correspond to the number of points sold?

I believe that only accommodations are considered; points, or point values, are not used as a determinant in DVC accommodations. Here is what is stated in the BLT Declaration of Condominium, Exhibit G, part III, section 3.7 about reciprocal use by DVD and Club Members: At any given time, DVD may own completed Vacation Homes which have not yet been committed to the Vacation Ownership Plan for various reasons. In order to provide Club Members with the greatest possible flexibility in making reservation requests, Club Members may be assigned to occupy both Vacation Homes which are associated with the Vacation Ownership Plan and completed accommodations which have not yet been committed to the Vacation Ownership Plan; however,the total number of accommodations available for Club Member reservation for any given Use Day will never exceed the total number of Vacation Homes existing within the Vacation Ownership Plan on that Use Day. Conversely, DVD may assign its renters or other users of the completed accommodations which have not yet been committed to the Vacation Ownership Plan to occupy both those Vacation Homes which are committed to the Vacation Ownership Plan and those accommodations which are not; however,the number of total Vacation Homes available for DVD renter/user reservation for any given Use Day will never exceed the total number of completed accommodations which have not yet been committed to the Vacation Ownership Plan on that Use Day. In addition, completed accommodations which have not yet been committed to the Vacation Ownership Plan may be available through rental or an incidental benefit plan offered by DVD.

As you see, the citation only mentions "completed accommodations." It doesn't seem to specify that reciprocity requires the accommodations must have the same status (lockoff or dedicated). If DVC had a total of 130 2-BR villas, with 65 as lockoffs and 65 as dedicated, we know DVC members could book as many as 130 2-BR villas. But if we book 130 studios and 1-BR villas, DVD would have to take 65 lockoffs out of its inventory and trade it for 65 dedicated 2-BR from DVC's inventory.

I suspect that the vague wording in the Declaration of Condominium allows DVD to exercise some operational flexibility in this area. If there is a greater demand from cash paying customers for one configuration over the other, than I can see DVD trading accommodations with DVC.

I'll just add this to my list of things I don't know the answer to.

Similar to the question asked by lark above: Does a declared unit have to be a MK view in order for a MK view to be added to DVC inventory?

As in my answer (or actually non-answer) above, I don't think the Declaration of Condominium is specific regarding view. Practically speaking, however, I don't think DVD would let DVC use its full complement of declared rooms to book all of the MK view rooms. So, I feel a little more confident is presuming that Yes-A declared unit has to have a MK view for an MK-view accommodation to be added to the DVC inventory.

Perhaps I should change my name from wdrl to iwikwiwta (I wish I knew what I was talking about).

 

[wdrl]

35B should be showing up soon. That's the unit that I own part of and I have an estimated closing date of Sept 6. I also have a Feb UY.

Thanks for the heads-up about Unit 35b. BTW, Unit 35b, your piece of the Mouse, is on the sixth floor. As you walk toward BLT on the walkway from the Contemporary Resort, it will be one floor above and the first unit on your right on the southern section of BLT's crescent. It is a lockoff two-bedroom unit with a Lake View.

We've been waiting for deeds from Units 35a, 35b, and 35c to appear on the OCC website. These units were declared for the DVC by DVD back on April 21, 2009.

Welcome Home!

 

[lark]

As in my answer (or actually non-answer) above, I don't think the Declaration of Condominium is specific regarding view. Practically speaking, however, I don't think DVD would let DVC use its full complement of declared rooms to book all of the MK view rooms. So, I feel a little more confident is presuming that Yes-A declared unit has to have a MK view for an MK-view accommodation to be added to the DVC inventory.

That's interesting. If true, it would mean that inventory is very modest right now for 1 BR and Studios with MK views.

Since they are declaring from the bottom up, and since the first two floors do not have MK views, and since there are only 2 MK view lockoffs on each floor, it looks to me as though we're talking about only 9 of each being currently declared.

 

[kmann728]

Thanks for the heads-up about Unit 35b. BTW, Unit 35b, your piece of the Mouse, is on the sixth floor. As you walk toward BLT on the walkway from the Contemporary Resort, it will be one floor above and the first unit on your right on the southern section of BLT's crescent. It is a lockoff two-bedroom unit with a Lake View.

We've been waiting for deeds from Units 35a, 35b, and 35c to appear on the OCC website. These units were declared for the DVC by DVD back on April 21, 2009.

Welcome Home!

Ooh thanks for letting me know! I'll have to take a picture of it when I come "home" next year!!

 

[lark]

We just bought today too. I should get my stuff next week, and I'll post the relevant details if it shows a new unit or phase. We're a June use year, so I'm sort of hoping for 82C, since it would be nice to own a piece of a grand villa.

 

[wdrl]

That's interesting. If true, it would mean that inventory is very modest right now for 1 BR and Studios with MK views.

Since they are declaring from the bottom up, and since the first two floors do not have MK views, and since there are only 2 MK view lockoffs on each floor, it looks to me as though we're talking about only 9 of each being currently declared.

Good point; DVC may have only 9 MK view lockoff villas that are declared and that we can book. But as I mentioned in my PP #82, perhaps DVD can trade up to 11 of the undeclared MK view lockoff rooms to the DVC in exchange for up to 11 of DVC's MK view dedicated rooms. So perhaps we have 20 MK studios and 1-BR villas available for DVC reservations???

 

[dismedvc]

Thanks for the heads-up about Unit 35b. BTW, Unit 35b, your piece of the Mouse, is on the sixth floor. As you walk toward BLT on the walkway from the Contemporary Resort, it will be one floor above and the first unit on your right on the southern section of BLT's crescent. It is a lockoff two-bedroom unit with a Lake View.

Hey wdrl, I know you have been trying to figure out how many total points are avaialble ar BLT, and the "wild card" seems to be how does Disney treat the 2 BR lock-offs (more points if they are rented as a 1 BR and a studio and less points if they are rented as a 2 BR). However, if unit 35b is a lake view lock-off, and if 100 points represented a .XXXX ownership interest in unit 35b, it seems like you could figure out how many points it would take to rent that unit for the entire year. That might give you some insight into how may weeks Disney assumes it will be rented as a 2BR and how many weeks it will be rented as a 1 BR and a Studio. However, maybe this is a case of iwikwiwta

 

[DVCGeek]

Hey wdrl, I know you have been trying to figure out how many total points are avaialble ar BLT, and the "wild card" seems to be how does Disney treat the 2 BR lock-offs (more points if they are rented as a 1 BR and a studio and less points if they are rented as a 2 BR). However, if unit 35b is a lake view lock-off, and if 100 points represented a .XXXX ownership interest in unit 35a, it seems like you could figure out how many points it would take to rent that unit for the entire year. That might give you some insight into how may weeks Disney assumes it will be rented as a 2BR and how many weeks it will be rented as a 1 BR and a Studio. However, maybe this is a case of iwikwiwta

I wonndered about this type of extrapolation as well. Looking at the contracts, does each unit appear to have the same number of points based on points / ownership % = total in the unti, or does it vary? Maybe we could also use that to help decipher views???

 

[mousescrapper]

35B should be showing up soon. That's the unit that I own part of and I have an estimated closing date of Sept 6. I also have a Feb UY.

We just bought today too. I should get my stuff next week, and I'll post the relevant details if it shows a new unit or phase. We're a June use year, so I'm sort of hoping for 82C, since it would be nice to own a piece of a grand villa.

does it say in your paperwork what you "own" ?


curious...TIA

 

[DenLo]

does it say in your paperwork what you "own" ?


curious...TIA

Yes on the page labeled DEED, it will show something like this:

An undivided 0.8147% interest in Unit 34B of Bay Lake Tower at Disney's
Contemporary Resort .

The amount of interest percentage depends on the points you purchase and unit numbers will vary. Also further down in this document it will show your use year.

 

[mousescrapper]

Yes on the page labeled DEED, it will show something like this:

An undivided 0.8147% interest in Unit 34B of Bay Lake Tower at Disney's
Contemporary Resort .

The interest percentage depending on the points you purchase and unit numbers will vary. Also further down in this document it will show your use year.

thanks....

I own part of Unit 30 A anyone know what that is?

 

[wdrl]

thanks....

I own part of Unit 30 A anyone know what that is?

Unit 30a is on the sixth floor. It is on BLT's northern crescent facing outward (away from the pool). It is the last two two-bedroom villas on the floor (furtherest from the lobby). Unit 30a is comprised of a lockoff 2-BR and a dedicated 2-BR. About 39,280 points are assigned to 30a.

 

[mousescrapper]

 

[dizfan]

This afternoon, I updated the BLT documented sales information in post 67 of this thread. It includes all the contracts documented with the OCC that I could find. Through 8/7/2009 (current OCC proof date).

11469 contracts
1,905854 total points


Also wanted to point out that it sound like phase 1 will be used as a model. I forget the site, but they are saying BLT will have a model on the first floor available to from 2-4pm by appointment only. Guessing they are trying to make it easier for the DVC to sell to people at GF, Poly, CR, and MK.

 

[LisaRN97]

So how do you fiqure where the unit is that is listed on your deed? Our deed says unit 3A..... I've tried looking at the pictures at the beginning of this thread and I get lost

 

[DISNEY FIX]

Unit 30a is on the sixth floor. It is on BLT's northern crescent facing outward (away from the pool). It is the last two two-bedroom villas on the floor (furtherest from the lobby). Unit 30a is comprised of a lockoff 2-BR and a dedicated 2-BR. About 39,280 points are assigned to 30a.

Holy cow!

Could you tell me where Lake view rooms would be on the building?

 

[wdrl]

So how do you fiqure where the unit is that is listed on your deed? Our deed says unit 3A..... I've tried looking at the pictures at the beginning of this thread and I get lost

Unit 3a is on the first floor on BLT's southern crescent facing toward the Contemporary Resort. It consists of two 2-BR lockoff units. Since it is on the first floor, we assume it is considered a standard view.

I've based my description of your unit, as well as the others, on the Condo Recordings filed by DVD with the Orange County Comptroller (OCC). DVD declared Unit 3A for the DVC on 10/15/08 as the first amendment to the Declaration of Condominium. Here is the link to that document: https://officialrecords.occompt.com/recorder/eagleweb/downloads/myPdf.pdf?&parent=DOC312S9047. If you go to page 9, you will see a map of BLT and the floor plans of Unit 3a.

As DVD declares more units (we are up to the ninth amendment), we can easily figure out the locations of the other Units that comprise BLT. The units start on the first floor and go from left to right (when looking from BLT's front) all the way up to the top floor.

Does this help?

 

[wdrl]

Holy cow!

Could you tell me where Lake view rooms would be on the building?

As best we can determine, the standard views are all the villas on the 1st and 2nd floors; the MK views are on floors 3-15 and only on the center part of BLT's crescent that faces the Magic Kingdom. Everything else will be Lake View villas. BTW - I think some of the Lake View villas on BLT's northern crescent (North is to the left when facing BLT's main entrance) facing away from the pool have incredible views of MK. See photo and postings in this thread on the DVC Planning Board: http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2257082

Keep in mind, this is just a very educated guess based on reports from 1st time visitors and earlier estimates of the mix of BLT's standard, LV, and MK room counts.

 

[LisaRN97]

Unit 3a is on the first floor on BLT's southern crescent facing toward the Contemporary Resort. It consists of two 2-BR lockoff units. Since it is on the first floor, we assume it is considered a standard view.

I've based my description of your unit, as well as the others, on the Condo Recordings filed by DVD with the Orange County Comptroller (OCC). DVD declared Unit 3A for the DVC on 10/15/08 as the first amendment to the Declaration of Condominium. Here is the link to that document: https://officialrecords.occompt.com/recorder/eagleweb/downloads/myPdf.pdf?&parent=DOC312S9047. If you go to page 9, you will see a map of BLT and the floor plans of Unit 3a.

As DVD declares more units (we are up to the ninth amendment), we can easily figure out the locations of the other Units that comprise BLT. The units start on the first floor and go from left to right (when looking from BLT's front) all the way up to the top floor.

Does this help?

Thanks for all the info! Do they randomly assign units to people's deeds or is there a system to it? We didn't buy in until the end of April 09, perhaps this section was under development at the time? And I wonder if this has any effect on the room you will be given when making a ressie?

I tried to look at your link, but you need to have a login, which I don't

Thanks again for all your information!!!!