What would you have done?

[dvcgirl67]

They were all cardiovascular events. What made them point to the vaccine is that both people had just had cardio work ups that showed no blockages or any clotting issues. The autopsies found large clots & that is a know side effect of the spike protein vaccines. I had a third person that had a heart attack but was able to get treatment in time. All persons were in their 30s or 40s.

These 30 and 40 year old just had cardiovascular work-ups? The only 30-40 olds who even see a cardiologist have a condition….high blood pressure being the most common at that young age.

I’m 55, healthy weight, BP…good bloodwork…I’ve never seen a cardiologist. Same for my husband.

 

[tink2424]

These 30 and 40 year old just had cardiovascular work-ups? The only 30-40 olds who even see a cardiologist have a condition….high blood pressure being the most common at that young age.

I’m 55, healthy weight, BP…good bloodwork…I’ve never seen a cardiologist. Same for my husband.

I'm 46 and have seen a cardiologist for about 15 years as I have mitrol valve prolapse. My doctor just likes to test me every year to make sure that it doesn't progress/develop into something more. People see specialists all the time for screenings if they have a family history. I don't know exactly why they had just had screenings I just know that they did. I don't know why my friends would lie to me about that. Their doctors and the the person doing the autopsy were sure both deaths were related to the vaccine.

 

[Minnesota!]

VAERS is a self reporting tool to catch the most serious of side effects. When you use language like “so much covered up by the CDC”… it’s saying a lot. That’s conspiratorial thinking.

I didn’t lose anyone close to me from covid, The older people were all vaccinated before being exposed. Others got it and fought it off. But my parents and in-laws lost friends. In my town alone we lost dozens of nursing home residents to covid. And you just need to talk to a nurse or doctor who worked on a covid floor….there are many documentaries you can watch from that time. My sister in law lost many patients to covid…not all of them older. I’m in NJ, so we got the brunt of that first wave.

So… unless you think we had a huge jump
In excess deaths before the vaccine…all over the world….how exactly do you think all of those people died?

One of my dearest friends was a Covid ICU nurse through it all - she finally had enough about 2 months ago. They DEFINITELY were not all older or feebler. She had so many heartbreaking stories to tell. My BIL is very sick with Covid now....tested positive 2 days after spending 24 hours with our mutual friend...with stage 4 cancer and no immune system. Waiting with bated breath about our friend. The risks can still be so high, which is why we try to be SO careful.

I would be concerned that anti vaxers with agendas are putting false information in there.

Same. Easy to manipulate. And, people LOOKING for issues will find them. Headache 2 days post-vax, even though a weather front is going through, or you have your period, or you hit your head? Vax side effect. I had a pain in my foot 2 weeks after my vax. I had just started a new exercise routine (including a balance ball), but I was told to put it as a side effect.

Look, neither side is 100% correct. But, I will ALWAYS err on the side where the science is. Science is always evolving. If someday it evolves and we learn that Covid would have been best treated by...injecting bleach?...then I will accept that.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

or you have your period,

For that one we know it can have an effect and for women it can be one that they've never experienced before in any vaccine (I say that because the next response would be "well this can happen in any vaccine"). Millions of dollars spent to conduct studies after enough furor over it has shown effects brought on by the covid vaccine.

 

[leahgoogle]

I would be concerned that anti vaxers with agendas are putting false information in there.

That's why the CDC and FDA are suppose to look into the claims. The anti-vaxxers are not putting in the large number of adverse effects shown. The form is very extensive and takes 20-30 minutes to complete. This is why even medical professionals aren't even entering adverse effects like they are suppose to.

 

[mom2rtk]

How is an anti-vaxxer putting in false data? Don’t anti-vaxxed not get vaxxed?

 

[leahgoogle]

One of my dearest friends was a Covid ICU nurse through it all - she finally had enough about 2 months ago. They DEFINITELY were not all older or feebler. She had so many heartbreaking stories to tell. My BIL is very sick with Covid now....tested positive 2 days after spending 24 hours with our mutual friend...with stage 4 cancer and no immune system. Waiting with bated breath about our friend. The risks can still be so high, which is why we try to be SO careful.


Same. Easy to manipulate. And, people LOOKING for issues will find them. Headache 2 days post-vax, even though a weather front is going through, or you have your period, or you hit your head? Vax side effect. I had a pain in my foot 2 weeks after my vax. I had just started a new exercise routine (including a balance ball), but I was told to put it as a side effect.

Look, neither side is 100% correct. But, I will ALWAYS err on the side where the science is. Science is always evolving. If someday it evolves and we learn that Covid would have been best treated by...injecting bleach?...then I will accept that.

This is what VAERS was designed to do. There might be multiple reasons for a headache. Myocarditis, if the database shows an increase, not as many reasons. The database is huge and it is not easy to complete the form. It would take a lot to manipulate it on a large scale.

• Detect new, unusual, or rare vaccine adverse events;
• Monitor increases in known adverse events;
• Identify potential patient risk factors for particular types of adverse events;
• Assess the safety of newly licensed vaccines;
• Determine and address possible reporting clusters (e.g., suspected localized [temporally or geographically] or product-/batch-/lot-specific adverse event reporting);
• Recognize persistent safe-use problems and administration errors;
• Provide a national safety monitoring system that extends to the entire general population for response to public health emergencies, such as a large-scale pandemic influenza vaccination program.

 

[dvcgirl67]

I'm 46 and have seen a cardiologist for about 15 years as I have mitrol valve prolapse. My doctor just likes to test me every year to make sure that it doesn't progress/develop into something more. People see specialists all the time for screenings if they have a family history. I don't know exactly why they had just had screenings I just know that they did. I don't know why my friends would lie to me about that. Their doctors and the the person doing the autopsy were sure both deaths were related to the vaccine.

Correct, you have a condition that is often easily caught by GPs, and then referred to a cardiologist for monitoring. If your acquaintances were seeing cardiologists, they did too, or perhaps they were being screened for family history. Either or both...puts those individuals at an increased risk of a cardiovascular event.

 

[dvcgirl67]

How is an anti-vaxxer putting in false data? Don’t anti-vaxxed not get vaxxed?

The people who are new to the anti-vax club may have gotten vaccinated once, or possibly gotten the second shot....and then the internet weighed in, and now many....are anti-vax.

 

[mom2rtk]

The people who are new to the anti-vax club may have gotten vaccinated once, or possibly gotten the second shot....and then the internet weighed in, and now many....are anti-vax.

Probably not as many as you think. And they certainly wouldn't keep getting shots (with more opportunities to post bad results).

 

[dvcgirl67]

Probably not as many as you think. And they certainly wouldn't keep getting shots (with more opportunities to post bad results).

Resistance to the vaccine built over time. Then we had highly educated geniuses like Joe Rogan, who influences millions of people weigh in. That kind of "influence" did incalculable harm to public health.

 

[hrhdhd]

Nah, Dr. Fauci, Dr. Birx, and Dr. Walensky did that all by themselves. Well, and the help of social media companies who banished opposing viewpoints.

 

[dvcgirl67]

Nah, Dr. Fauci, Dr. Birx, and Dr. Walensky did that all by themselves. Well, and the help of social media companies who banished opposing viewpoints.

What if the next pandemic hits children under 12 the hardest? Should we let the esteemed radiologist, Scott Atlas....and supreme podcast Bro Joe Rogan run the pandemic response? Would you get a vaccine then....to save the children, or should we warehouse them and their siblings/parents at home for a couple of years while the rest of us go for herd immunity? Maybe mainline some ivermectin....hope for the best?

 

[hrhdhd]

What if the next pandemic hits children under 12 the hardest? Should we let the esteemed radiologist, Scott Atlas....and supreme podcast Bro Joe Rogan run the pandemic response? Would you get a vaccine then....to save the children, or should we warehouse them and their siblings/parents at home for a couple of years while the rest of us go for herd immunity? Maybe mainline some ivermectin....hope for the best?

What if it does? Your appeal to emotion doesn't matter -- whether the most affected group is young, old, or in between, hundreds of millions of healthy people should not be forced to close their businesses, keep their children out of schools, stop exercising outside, stand six feet from others at the grocery store, or get a vaccine they don't want.

 

[dvcgirl67]

What if it does? Your appeal to emotion doesn't matter -- whether the most affected group is young, old, or in between, hundreds of millions of healthy people should not be forced to close their businesses, keep their children out of schools, stop exercising outside, stand six feet from others at the grocery store, or get a vaccine they don't want.

Do you think it'll play out that way....if kids are the most vulnerable and dying by the thousands...per day, and millions and millions of American adults refuse to get vaccinated? I think not. We got very, very lucky this time....that small children were essentially unaffected by the physical virus. That scenario would make this pandemic look like a good time.

 

[CdnCarrie]

Probably not as many as you think. And they certainly wouldn't keep getting shots (with more opportunities to post bad results).

How do you self report to this database? Put in some kind of code from the vaccine or insurance number?

 

[leahgoogle]

Resistance to the vaccine built over time. Then we had highly educated geniuses like Joe Rogan, who influences millions of people weigh in. That kind of "influence" did incalculable harm to public health.

Resistance after many, many side-effects were experienced. I don't think most people would be swayed by Joe Rogan to stop getting a vaccine if they have always listened to their doctor. The adverse effects were enough to sway on their own.

 

[leahgoogle]

Nah, Dr. Fauci, Dr. Birx, and Dr. Walensky did that all by themselves. Well, and the help of social media companies who banished opposing viewpoints.

And, this is what people either forget or don't realize. Opposing viewpoints and evidence against natural immunity and the vaccine were censored. Now, all the info is out and it doesn't favor the shot at all.

 

[Southernmiss]

Now, all the info is out and it doesn't favor the shot at all.

Sources ?

 

[dvcgirl67]

Sources ?

The source is the VAERS, the self-reported data base. Here's an article that details how anti-vaxxers used this database to spread misinformation about the covid vaccines. This isn't a new tactic by anti-vaxxers, but now it's been deployed on steroids, and they've managed to convert millions of Americans to their cause. Their actions make us less safe as a society.

https://www.science.org/content/art...government-database-side-effects-scare-public