What would you have done?

I guess I'm one of the ones that get all the boosters, and when the new one comes out in September I'll get that, too. I'm masking up again when I go out in public and to my doctors appointments. I can't help what other people do...and say...regarding vaccines and masking. But don't look down your nose at me for doing what *I* feel I need to do to stay safe. I had Covid without being vaxxed in 2020. I spiked a 104 degree fever and was hallucinating, among other horrible things. I had Covid again in 2022 after having been vaccinated, and it was so much easier to get through. Covid vaccinations were never meant to keep you from getting sick; they were meant to keep you from getting terribly ill.

I won't sit here and type that this is the case for everyone. I know it isn't. But for a lot of us it helped and I am grateful.
 
My husband had 3 coworkers die within 2 weeks of being vaccinated. All healthy middle aged men. All died from sudden cardiac arrest. Coincidence maybe or may not. Anyone can go to VAERS and see the adverse reactions.
VAERS is a self-reporting site; there's no scientific validity to it. Anyone can go on there and report anything they want to. And, there's no way to prove that their adverse reactions were a direct result of getting the vaccine. VAERS isn't meant to 'prove' a vaccine has adverse reactions, it's meant as a data surveillance system so that experts can track trends and do more research/follow up when needed.

Please note I'm not arguing whether people did or did not have adverse reactions to the vaccine, so I'm not trying to dispute you there. But pointing to VAERS as proof of adverse reactions to the vaccines is no better than the anecdotal comments we are getting here.
 
VAERS is a self-reporting site; there's no scientific validity to it. Anyone can go on there and report anything they want to. And, there's no way to prove that their adverse reactions were a direct result of getting the vaccine. VAERS isn't meant to 'prove' a vaccine has adverse reactions, it's meant as a data surveillance system so that experts can track trends and do more research/follow up when needed.

Please note I'm not arguing whether people did or did not have adverse reactions to the vaccine, so I'm not trying to dispute you there. But pointing to VAERS as proof of adverse reactions to the vaccines is no better than the anecdotal comments we are getting here.
Both my husband and I faithfully participated in V-Safe. I never once thought me putting in I had several hours worth of hot flashes each time was so someone could go look up the data and say "see see this is what happens if you get it" I just viewed it as a collection database for them to review incidents, prevalence, and patterns. And every time they would tell you that your answers may mean someone contacts you for further information.

I mean even if you go to the government website it will tell you VAERS was set up in 1990 and is "not designed to determine if a vaccine caused a health problem, but is especially useful for detecting unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse event reporting that might indicate a possible safety problem with a vaccine."

I'm not sure how many of us even thought about VAERS before covid but it would be disinformation to say what that PP did with respects to it. It's an important database to have but shouldn't be used the way they were (and the way several posters have throughout the threads in the last several years).
 
I don't trust CDC stats. They admitted to not releasing information for fear that the public wouldn't "interpret" it correctly. That's ok, there were other places to get the info they didn't want us to know. Anyway, it's interesting that anecdotally the vaccinated people I know keep getting covid over and over where the naturally immune unvaccinated people I know have gotten it once or twice.
And see, I only got Covid once, before there was a vaccine. I have all of my shots and boosters, so Covid vaccines 100% prevent Covid (obviously not but it’s as anecdotal as what you are saying).
 

My husband had 3 coworkers die within 2 weeks of being vaccinated. All healthy middle aged men. All died from sudden cardiac arrest. Coincidence maybe or may not. Anyone can go to VAERS and see the adverse reactions.
I remember hearing this about the J&J vaccine and I was concerned b/c that was the one my dad received. Thankfully he had no issues but it was significant enough that they pulled it and never offered it again.
 
VAERS is a self-reporting site; there's no scientific validity to it. Anyone can go on there and report anything they want to. And, there's no way to prove that their adverse reactions were a direct result of getting the vaccine. VAERS isn't meant to 'prove' a vaccine has adverse reactions, it's meant as a data surveillance system so that experts can track trends and do more research/follow up when needed.

Please note I'm not arguing whether people did or did not have adverse reactions to the vaccine, so I'm not trying to dispute you there. But pointing to VAERS as proof of adverse reactions to the vaccines is no better than the anecdotal comments we are getting here.
Likewise there is no scientific validity that the vaccines are 100 percent safe either.
 
Unlike the COVID vaccines, if you get a measles vaccine you really won't get it. Not "lesser symptoms" as we are told with the COVID shot, you won't get it period.
This is not accurate. There is a small percentage of people for whom the Measles or MMR vaccine is not effective. Those people, if exposed to measles, can get the disease. However, because the participation rate for measles vaccination was so high and because outbreaks in the 80s were accompanied by booster campaigns, measles was effectively eradicated from the US. Herd immunity works. Unfortunately, the growing anti-vax movement has changed this.
 
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Anyway, it's interesting that anecdotally the vaccinated people I know keep getting covid over and over where the naturally immune unvaccinated people I know have gotten it once or twice.
Wait, I'm not following the logic. Are you trying to imply that the vaccines made people more susceptible to the virus? I mean, what else can it be? If the unvaccinated only get covid twice, but the vaccinated get it "over and over", that means the vaccinations help spread the virus, right? Because if it was natural immunity keeping people from getting it, even those who were vaccinated, once they got covid would be natural immune, right?
 
Wait, I'm not following the logic. Are you trying to imply that the vaccines made people more susceptible to the virus? I mean, what else can it be? If the unvaccinated only get covid twice, but the vaccinated get it "over and over", that means the vaccinations help spread the virus, right? Because if it was natural immunity keeping people from getting it, even those who were vaccinated, once they got covid would be natural immune, right?
Maybe the vaccine doesn’t prevent Covid, but prevents natural immunity. 🤣
 
Measles are real and if enough people don't get vaccinated they will spread - and you really don't want measles.
However,
Unlike the COVID vaccines, if you get a measles vaccine you really won't get it. Not "lesser symptoms" as we are told with the COVID shot, you won't get it period. FWIW, I'm not against the COVID vaccines, or even the Flu shot. I get the flu shot every year and I have been getting the COVID vaccines, but not sure I will going forward. That's a personal decision IMHO. You'll get no judgement from me either way.
Odd because I did get very mild measles as adult even though I was vaccinated.
I forget - where did you study infectious diseases?
 
This is not accurate. There is a small percentage of people for whom the Measles or MMR vaccine is not effective. Those people, if exposed to measles, can get the disease. However, because the participation rate for measles vaccination was so high and because outbreaks in the 80s were accompanied by booster campaigns, measles was effectively eradicated from the US. Herd immunity works. Unfortunately, the growing anti-vax movement has changed this.
Your example with measles is correct and shows the importance of herd immunity. Unfortunately, for the Covid vaccine (as well as the flu vaccine) it‘s just not as effective for providing herd immunity because immunity for Covid and flu is fairly short lived and the vaccines are not effective against all strains.
 
Your example with measles is correct and shows the importance of herd immunity. Unfortunately, for the Covid vaccine (as well as the flu vaccine) it‘s just not as effective for providing herd immunity because immunity for Covid and flu is fairly short lived and the vaccines are not effective against all strains.
It's not the shortness of immunity, it's the rapid mutation of the virus. You may very well be immune to one strain of the flu if you had it previously. But as the flu mutates so readily, the strain this year may not be one you have been exposed to previously. It's also why flu vaccines vary in efficacy. Some years we do a better job of matching the vaccine to the strain of flu. COVID was so deadly as it was novel, so no one had previous immunity. Now more people have immunity through exposure/recovery and immunization. But, like the flu as COVID continues to mutate people will need to develop new immunities through exposure or immunization. Measles does not have the same mutation pattern, so development of new immunizations is not needed. The current ones are efficacious for most.
 
It's not an either/or here. Like you got it (and early early early on) and thus voila you were cured!

Earlier strains (especially the one you got) reacted differently than later strains. The protection if you will with earlier strains was much different than later strains. I'd probably put it as you got it, even with how bad of a strain it was, at the right time. Omicron most especially as someone's first infections behaved differently with our immune systems. So perhaps temper that with your opinion.

Which is clearly not the point of their comment. Their response was to a poster disparagingly discussing vaccination with death.
I wouldn't say cured but I would say that my immunity is strong and long lasting. Something the CDC still claims is wrong but I don't trust them either after this COVID misinformation fiasco.
You know people who died from the vaccine?
Yes
Interesting, most people I know got vaccinated, not one had adverse reactions. I do know folks bring treated for long term Covid though.
Luckily it is not everyone but also you may not know what damage has been done. I have read a lot about the heart damage and some cancers are on the rise and there may be a link to those. There are still a lot of excess deaths and they aren't caused by COVID so something else is going on.

Additionally, there are just a few lots that have been found to cause the vast majority of the adverse events. It is thought that the manufacturing process was not monitored and therefore those lots had an excess of RNA in them and that is what is causing issues.

Long COVID may also be related to the vaccine as well. I have seen some evidence that links long COVID from both infection and from vaccines. So we don't know for sure that being vaccinated stops you from getting long COVID at all.
I don’t know why you think you were right, I’m grateful vaccines helped slow the spread, it was an absolute poop show here before vaccine. Most people I know get boosters as well.
I guess I'm one of the ones that get all the boosters, and when the new one comes out in September I'll get that, too. I'm masking up again when I go out in public and to my doctors appointments. I can't help what other people do...and say...regarding vaccines and masking. But don't look down your nose at me for doing what *I* feel I need to do to stay safe. I had Covid without being vaxxed in 2020. I spiked a 104 degree fever and was hallucinating, among other horrible things. I had Covid again in 2022 after having been vaccinated, and it was so much easier to get through. Covid vaccinations were never meant to keep you from getting sick; they were meant to keep you from getting terribly ill.

I won't sit here and type that this is the case for everyone. I know it isn't. But for a lot of us it helped and I am grateful.
There is no way for sure to make these claims. You can't know what would have happened without the vaccines. It could have been so much better, about the same or so much worse. These claims are without merit.
VAERS is a self-reporting site; there's no scientific validity to it. Anyone can go on there and report anything they want to. And, there's no way to prove that their adverse reactions were a direct result of getting the vaccine. VAERS isn't meant to 'prove' a vaccine has adverse reactions, it's meant as a data surveillance system so that experts can track trends and do more research/follow up when needed.

Please note I'm not arguing whether people did or did not have adverse reactions to the vaccine, so I'm not trying to dispute you there. But pointing to VAERS as proof of adverse reactions to the vaccines is no better than the anecdotal comments we are getting here.
Both my husband and I faithfully participated in V-Safe. I never once thought me putting in I had several hours worth of hot flashes each time was so someone could go look up the data and say "see see this is what happens if you get it" I just viewed it as a collection database for them to review incidents, prevalence, and patterns. And every time they would tell you that your answers may mean someone contacts you for further information.
I mean even if you go to the government website it will tell you VAERS was set up in 1990 and is "not designed to determine if a vaccine caused a health problem, but is especially useful for detecting unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse event reporting that might indicate a possible safety problem with a vaccine."

I'm not sure how many of us even thought about VAERS before covid but it would be disinformation to say what that PP did with respects to it. It's an important database to have but shouldn't be used the way they were (and the way several posters have throughout the threads in the last several years).
First of all since these vaccines were under EUA they should have had MANDATORY reporting of all adverse events and unfortunately they were doing the opposite and some places mandated that you COULDN'T report any adverse events.

VAERS is not a perfect system but it very clearly shows that this is the worst vaccine for safety that has been on the market since VAERS was put in place. I don't even know what order of magnitude we are up to for how many more adverse events have been reported for the COVID vaccines than all other vaccines since VAERS inception. Any other time in history and these vaccines would have been pulled from the market. These are facts.

And yes, the VAERS reports are self-reported but what motivation would a person have for reporting events that didn't happen? Sure there are a few knuckleheads but all it would take is for the government to follow up on these reports. And are you discounting the reporting systems in other countries that corroborate our findings as well? It really shows that most don't know anything about how the safety profile for drugs/vaccines are actually created.
Odd because I did get very mild measles as adult even though I was vaccinated.
I forget - where did you study infectious diseases?
And where did you? If you can read and have at least a basic understanding of the human body, how research works & how to read scientific studies you can figure out if something is true or not.
 
I wouldn't say cured but I would say that my immunity is strong and long lasting. Something the CDC still claims is wrong but I don't trust them either after this COVID misinformation fiasco.

Yes

Luckily it is not everyone but also you may not know what damage has been done. I have read a lot about the heart damage and some cancers are on the rise and there may be a link to those. There are still a lot of excess deaths and they aren't caused by COVID so something else is going on.

Additionally, there are just a few lots that have been found to cause the vast majority of the adverse events. It is thought that the manufacturing process was not monitored and therefore those lots had an excess of RNA in them and that is what is causing issues.

Long COVID may also be related to the vaccine as well. I have seen some evidence that links long COVID from both infection and from vaccines. So we don't know for sure that being vaccinated stops you from getting long COVID at all.


There is no way for sure to make these claims. You can't know what would have happened without the vaccines. It could have been so much better, about the same or so much worse. These claims are without merit.

Both my husband and I faithfully participated in V-Safe. I never once thought me putting in I had several hours worth of hot flashes each time was so someone could go look up the data and say "see see this is what happens if you get it" I just viewed it as a collection database for them to review incidents, prevalence, and patterns. And every time they would tell you that your answers may mean someone contacts you for further information.

First of all since these vaccines were under EUA they should have had MANDATORY reporting of all adverse events and unfortunately they were doing the opposite and some places mandated that you COULDN'T report any adverse events.

VAERS is not a perfect system but it very clearly shows that this is the worst vaccine for safety that has been on the market since VAERS was put in place. I don't even know what order of magnitude we are up to for how many more adverse events have been reported for the COVID vaccines than all other vaccines since VAERS inception. Any other time in history and these vaccines would have been pulled from the market. These are facts.

And yes, the VAERS reports are self-reported but what motivation would a person have for reporting events that didn't happen? Sure there are a few knuckleheads but all it would take is for the government to follow up on these reports. And are you discounting the reporting systems in other countries that corroborate our findings as well? It really shows that most don't know anything about how the safety profile for drugs/vaccines are actually created.

And where did you? If you can read and have at least a basic understanding of the human body, how research works & how to read scientific studies you can figure out if something is true or not.
I’m not the one claiming to know more about infectious diseases than the CDC.
 
I wouldn't say cured but I would say that my immunity is strong and long lasting. Something the CDC still claims is wrong but I don't trust them either after this COVID misinformation fiasco.
What I was trying to convey is when you got it has a lot to do with it. If you got covid in March 2020 when it very first started (relatively speaking). The length of protection and the rate of reinfection has varied depending on which strain you got from the studies we know. Seemingly a lot of it brought on by questions surrounding Omicron.

I'm not discounting natural immunity brought on by an infection, I'm discussing your basis for viewpoint on the vaccine's effectiveness and why you're choosing not to get it (because you got it early and haven't gotten it again). Ultimately it's up to you but when you're commenting to people about how you have natural immunity so go you there's a lot more into it than you're giving credence to. You can get more information on it but those who got Omicron first were in some ways better off (in terms of the overall severity) but not better off in terms of reinfection.
 
Wait, I'm not following the logic. Are you trying to imply that the vaccines made people more susceptible to the virus? I mean, what else can it be? If the unvaccinated only get covid twice, but the vaccinated get it "over and over", that means the vaccinations help spread the virus, right? Because if it was natural immunity keeping people from getting it, even those who were vaccinated, once they got covid would be natural immune, right?
Stop smacking people over the head with their own logical inconsistencies.
 





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