What Would You Do In This Situation?

[fla4fun]

That's not how the bus routes work. It's not set up as a loop like to monorail, that has to stop at every stop.

The only reason a FULL bus bound for the Magic Kingdom would stop before it got to the Magic Kingdom is if someone requested to get off. If that was the case, then there shouldn't have been any problem with other people wanting to get on.

Either the OP made up the story whole cloth to troll, or he completely misunderstood what was going on and let his own bigotry fill in the blanks for him.

I read recently that with the new system on the buses, they are required to stop and open the door at each stop for the system to register that they are completing their route properly, and that the drivers can be subject to disciplinary action for not doing so, whether anyone is getting on or off, or the bus is full. Is there anyone here who can shed any light on whether this is the case? I know that completely full buses have passed me by at POR stops in the past, but that was before the new dispatching system went into place.

I have only seen guests asked to move from specific seats to accommodate ECV's when the bus was not filled to capacity. They were not asked to leave the bus - only to move to other seats or to stand so the ECV could be strapped down. The one time the guests were asked to stand, they were the only ones standing on that particular bus, so it was nowhere near as full as they can be.

 

[maxiesmom]

This family was coming into MK and were drunk before entering and I have no idea if they had alcohol along.
But I see you consider this as being a pro and total justification for driving what so ever.

Checking water bottles? They take a peek in youre bag but I never seen them open a bottle or sniffing for alcohol.

Next time I will make pictures

That is not what you just said. You claimed they were coming out of MK, and were obviously too drunk to drive. Now it seems you are just making things up to support your own biased point of view. And all you have done is undermine it.

 

[Schmeck]

To me the main point is that the driver made an error of judgement, some people were inconvenienced and these two ECCV users were bad eggs whether or not they were disabled.

I have to ask - what's the extra C stand for in your ECCV?

 

[goofy4tink]

That's not how the bus routes work. It's not set up as a loop like to monorail, that has to stop at every stop.

The only reason a FULL bus bound for the Magic Kingdom would stop before it got to the Magic Kingdom is if someone requested to get off. If that was the case, then there shouldn't have been any problem with other people wanting to get on.

Either the OP made up the story whole cloth to troll, or he completely misunderstood what was going on and let his own bigotry fill in the blanks for him.

In all actuality, that is how they work. If the bus picked up guests at a park first (and this happens quite often) and then goes to POR to drop off guests, and subesequently pick them up, the bus could conceivably be full. If there were 15 guest getting on the bus at say, MK, and then a few got off at the main depot stop at POR, and 20 guests got on board, the bus then heads to the next 3 stops within POR...a few people may get off, others get on..then the bus has to stop at POFQ in case there were some who were getting off there..including anyone who 'may' have gotten on the bus at the main depot stop at POR, wanting a ride over to POFQ. It can happen.

 

[TDC Nala]

That's not how the bus routes work. It's not set up as a loop like to monorail, that has to stop at every stop.

The only reason a FULL bus bound for the Magic Kingdom would stop before it got to the Magic Kingdom is if someone requested to get off. If that was the case, then there shouldn't have been any problem with other people wanting to get on.

Either the OP made up the story whole cloth to troll, or he completely misunderstood what was going on and let his own bigotry fill in the blanks for him.

This isn't always so. They're not city buses with those pull cords to notify the driver that someone wants to disembark. On a loop with multiple stops, they're supposed to stop at every stop, and if they decide to skip one or more they ask the passengers if anyone needs to go to that stop. Some drivers will ask, others will just go around to every stop. This bus wasn't circulating at park opening either, the OP stated it was midday. While they might be able to assume that everyone aboard at park opening is on their way to the park, I don't think the drivers can assume that at midday. I do agree with others that I don't have much experience of an entirely full bus at midday. The bus was the DHS loop, not MK.

And if one or two persons got out of the bus at the stop it would still be too full to permit loading of ECVs.

 

[CatNipRules]

We just returned from 6 days at WDW, staying at POR. While there, I witnessed the following situation while on the bus from POR to DHS. How would you have handled it?

We boarded the bus at the north depot in POR and found seats in the back of the bus. The bus then stopped at the east and south depot at POR before going to POFQ to pick up more people. By the time we left the south depot at POR, the bus was packed full -- all seats and even the aisles were full. When we stopped at POFQ, there were two "disabled" people in electric scooters that demanded to get on, even though there was no room for them. I want to reserve my judgement of them, but it seemed to me that these two people were perfectly fine and had the scooters to be able to take advantage of the system at WDW and skip most lines, but I have nothing to base that on other than my observations. They may very well have been disabled, but I seriously doubt it. I understand that the seats near the rear exit fold up to accomodate wheel chairs and electric scooters and there are even signs that say something to the effect of "these seats are given priority to the elderly and disabled". Well, they demanded to get on our bus and that the people already on should have to get off and wait since they were "disabled". When a few people refused to get off, they started claiming that it was a violation of the American with Disabilities Act and they were going to sue.

So, should they have been allowed to board just because they were "disabled" and had their electric scooters and kicked several others off, or should they have been forced to stay and wait on an open bus and actually have to wait their turn for once? Would you have willingly given up your seat for them? I was in the back of the bus, but had I been one of the people invovled in the "scuffle", I would have refused. These two ultimately won and got on the bus, kicking off at least 10 people, maybe more. I think they should have been forced to wait for an open bus. But that's just me.

I won't flame you, but you can't know just from looking at someone whether they are disabled or not.

I have a "hidden" disease. Polycystic Kidney Disease. To look at me you would never know that I'm sick. For the most part, I can function and walk normally. However, the distances required for walking at Disney prevent me from being able to enjoy my day without being in pain afterwards.

That being said, I've never demanded that I be allowed on a bus or elsewhere. Especially if it's full. I am perfectly capable of waiting for the next bus. That's just plain rude and honestly, those people need to learn manners.

And just because I use a scooter doesn't mean that I'm going to be allowed to skip the line. 99% of the time I wait in the line like everyone else. Which is something that I love doing. Because I love people watching and being at Disney is the perfect place for it.

I hate it when people judge others by how they "look". Just because I don't look disabled doesn't mean that I'm not. I would challenge the OP to walk in my shoes for one day. Just because I use a ECV doesn't mean that I'm lazy. I do it so that my family and I can enjoy our time at the parks.

 

[dishguy1977]

I won't flame you, but you can't know just from looking at someone whether they are disabled or not.

I have a "hidden" disease. Polycystic Kidney Disease. To look at me you would never know that I'm sick. For the most part, I can function and walk normally. However, the distances required for walking at Disney prevent me from being able to enjoy my day without being in pain afterwards.

That being said, I've never demanded that I be allowed on a bus or elsewhere. Especially if it's full. I am perfectly capable of waiting for the next bus. That's just plain rude and honestly, those people need to learn manners.

And just because I use a scooter doesn't mean that I'm going to be allowed to skip the line. 99% of the time I wait in the line like everyone else. Which is something that I love doing. Because I love people watching and being at Disney is the perfect place for it.

I hate it when people judge others by how they "look". Just because I don't look disabled doesn't mean that I'm not. I would challenge the OP to walk in my shoes for one day. Just because I use a ECV doesn't mean that I'm lazy. I do it so that my family and I can enjoy our time at the parks.

I agree....but unfortunately people are going to make assumptions based on what they see. I actually have PKD too and went to WDW in 2009 before my transplant and didn't use an ECV because I knew that being a 32 year old male with no VISIBLE disability in an ECV would just end up causing a lot of drama.

That being said, the people in the OP's story should never have been allowed to bump other people off. They should have been accommodated WHEN it was their turn.

 

[POOHsie]

This family was coming into MK and were drunk before entering and I have no idea if they had alcohol along.
But I see you consider this as being a pro and total justification for driving what so ever.

Checking water bottles? They take a peek in youre bag but I never seen them open a bottle or sniffing for alcohol.

Next time I will make pictures

Security doesn't have to open a water bottle and sniff it to detect alcohol. There's something else Security does, quickly and not readily noticed, that gives them the clue...

 

[SaraJayne]

That's not how the bus routes work. It's not set up as a loop like to monorail, that has to stop at every stop.

The only reason a FULL bus bound for the Magic Kingdom would stop before it got to the Magic Kingdom is if someone requested to get off. If that was the case, then there shouldn't have been any problem with other people wanting to get on.

Either the OP made up the story whole cloth to troll, or he completely misunderstood what was going on and let his own bigotry fill in the blanks for him.

Sure it is. That's exactly how they work.

 

[Amy&Dan]

I have to ask - what's the extra C stand for in your ECCV?

Lol, its my typo, based on the fact my water company is called "ECCV". I didn't even realize I was doing that!

 

[CatNipRules]

I agree....but unfortunately people are going to make assumptions based on what they see. I actually have PKD too and went to WDW in 2009 before my transplant and didn't use an ECV because I knew that being a 32 year old male with no VISIBLE disability in an ECV would just end up causing a lot of drama.

That being said, the people in the OP's story should never have been allowed to bump other people off. They should have been accommodated WHEN it was their turn.

I definitely agree with that. They should definitely accommodate them when it's available. I'm always amazed at some people.

And I know all about assumptions. I get them every day of my life. I don't look sick so I should be normal. I always try to tell my son that not every disease can be seen. I think he gets it a little bit better than most kids his age.....

 

[Tropical Wilds]

We just returned from 6 days at WDW, staying at POR. While there, I witnessed the following situation while on the bus from POR to DHS. How would you have handled it?

We boarded the bus at the north depot in POR and found seats in the back of the bus. The bus then stopped at the east and south depot at POR before going to POFQ to pick up more people. By the time we left the south depot at POR, the bus was packed full -- all seats and even the aisles were full. When we stopped at POFQ, there were two "disabled" people in electric scooters that demanded to get on, even though there was no room for them. I want to reserve my judgement of them, but it seemed to me that these two people were perfectly fine and had the scooters to be able to take advantage of the system at WDW and skip most lines, but I have nothing to base that on other than my observations. They may very well have been disabled, but I seriously doubt it. I understand that the seats near the rear exit fold up to accomodate wheel chairs and electric scooters and there are even signs that say something to the effect of "these seats are given priority to the elderly and disabled". Well, they demanded to get on our bus and that the people already on should have to get off and wait since they were "disabled". When a few people refused to get off, they started claiming that it was a violation of the American with Disabilities Act and they were going to sue.

So, should they have been allowed to board just because they were "disabled" and had their electric scooters and kicked several others off, or should they have been forced to stay and wait on an open bus and actually have to wait their turn for once? Would you have willingly given up your seat for them? I was in the back of the bus, but had I been one of the people invovled in the "scuffle", I would have refused. These two ultimately won and got on the bus, kicking off at least 10 people, maybe more. I think they should have been forced to wait for an open bus. But that's just me.

If it were me and I was asked to get off, I'd have said no. If they were or weren't really disabled is not really the point. The point is the bus is first come, first serve for all people who ride it and people boarding at a later stop should not eject people already on the bus so that they can ride. Disabled status means that you have a condition that means that considerations have to be made in order for you to use a service... It means you get different treatment only to ensure you have the same experience as others. It does not mean that you get better treatment that the average guest wouldn't.

In situations like this, where they're at a later stop and have scooters, the bus driver calls the next bus coming to the resort and the bus goes directly there, loads them, and resumes or completes the route. I've seen and heard bus drivers do this numerous times at Key West, CBR, and POR... It's not uncommon at all. In fact, if they notice one stop in the route has more people than average, or if the bus fills before they reach all the stops, they radio the next bus to pick up where that one left off as part of the standard operation of the resort busses. That's what should have happened here.

If it'd been me, I'd have refused to move, much less get off the bus. If they'd asked why, I'd have stated that I was already on the bus and had plans in the park. But I wouldn't have gotten up.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Security doesn't have to open a water bottle and sniff it to detect alcohol. There's something else Security does, quickly and not readily noticed, that gives them the clue...

They swish it. Water leaves beads and water trails on the inside of the bottle, alcohol doesn't.

 

[puntagordabob]

From what I understand the people who were being asked to give up their spots for the two scooter passengers were from previous spots... in this case there is NO WAY I would have surrendered my seat. PERIOD.

Disney policy is that scooter passengers and their group (within reason) are loaded first before other people at the given spot board. That does not in any way give you the right to kick people off a bus when they ARRIVED on it just so you can board. PURE BS.

As far as another bus being sent to pick these folks up (in the possibility brought up before that all the busses were full on these folks that had arrived previously) now THAT is on the Disney Transport....if THAT is the case then the Scooter folks had ample reason to be annoyed and they should have gone to Guest Relations to give them the "Say What?".... but for them to verbally assault the Guests who were already passengers on this bus is purely Out of Bounds.

For the record, my son is unable to walk and is in a wheelchair....so we are well versed in the rules at WDW. We would never ever in a million years have considered doing what these folks apparently tried (and succeeded)....

 

[Liandro]

Security doesn't have to open a water bottle and sniff it to detect alcohol. There's something else Security does, quickly and not readily noticed, that gives them the clue...

Well you seem to know an awful lot about sneaking alcohol inside the parks. I bow my head into deep respect for you. It takes a thief..... For myself I have no idea because I don't take anything that even looks like food or drinks into the parks. Disney sells everything I like,want and need.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Well you seem to know an awful lot about sneaking alcohol inside the parks. For myself I have no idea because I don't take anything that even looks like food or drinks into the parks. Disney sells everything I like,want and need.

I take a whole bag of drinks and food with me when I go in... They actually do a pretty good job of checking to make sure it's all on the up-and-up, and they do it quickly, in a way most people wouldn't know right off.

And I take no shame in bringing food in... They let you, never had an issue with it, and while Disney has everything I could want and need, so does the local Hess station at about 50-70% less.

 

[michsig]

I don't think it's right that people had to get off of the bus for them. I don't think they should have been given preference in a way that would kick people already on the bus off .. ughhh.

 

[Liandro]

I take a whole bag of drinks and food with me when I go in... They actually do a pretty good job of checking to make sure it's all on the up-and-up, and they do it quickly, in a way most people wouldn't know right off.

And I take no shame in bringing food in... They let you, never had an issue with it, and while Disney has everything I could want and need, so does the local Hess station at about 50-70% less.

This is not about bringing NORMAL food and drinks.
Some ECV users seem to think it is perfectly normal to sneak alcohol into the parks.

 

[maxiesmom]

This is not about bringing NORMAL food and drinks.
Some ECV users seem to think it is perfectly normal to sneak alcohol into the parks.

And so do some non EVC using guests. In fact, there was a thread about that very subject only a month or so ago.

Using an ECV doesn't automatically equal rude. Nor does in automatically equal drunkard. Just as being ambulatory doesn't necessarily equal nice or sober.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

This is not about bringing NORMAL food and drinks.
Some ECV users seem to think it is perfectly normal to sneak alcohol into the parks.

If a video that hit the news last week is any indication, some non-EVC users think it's perfectly normal to sneak alcohol into the parks... "THERE ARE KIDS HERE!"

I brought a bottle of sake into MK in WDW last time, but I bought it at EPCOT and it was sealed, so security said as long as it stayed that way, they'd have no issue.

Regardless, I don't think there's such an influx of drunk ECV users that there is an overriding issue. No pun intended. LoL!