What will happen when CCV becomes available to book?

[kungaloosh22]

VGC only has 2 GV's. VGF has 6 and BWV has 7. I've seen availability at VGF a lot of times at 7 months. BWV is more difficult but the point requirements for those are less than VGF or than CCV will be.

Thanks @KAT4DISNEY. Helpful, as always.

 

[quandrea]

Will they allow five in the one bedrooms if you bring your own cot?

 

[_auroraborealis_]

Will they allow five in the one bedrooms if you bring your own cot?

Unknown.

 

[Lisa F]

I will because it is less points than my current reservation for 2 studios at the Poly. We do not normally need 2 studios but this trip I am bringing family to help with the kids because DH can't come, and as much as I love my Poly home resort, for less points CCV would be just fine!

I am hoping that people like you will increase my chance of getting poly for princess marathon weekend. It kills me, whenever I see DVC discussion boards there are tons of Poly owners who would like to stay elsewhere as well, have a 1 or 2 bedroom etc... but they can't move unless something is open and someone has to "blink" (ie cancel) first before everyone can move around. I'm hoping with CCV opening I have more of a shot at Poly, which is my first choice, for an otherwise hard to obtain weekend.

 

[aleh021]

I am hoping that people like you will increase my chance of getting poly for princess marathon weekend. It kills me, whenever I see DVC discussion boards there are tons of Poly owners who would like to stay elsewhere as well, have a 1 or 2 bedroom etc... but they can't move unless something is open and someone has to "blink" (ie cancel) first before everyone can move around. I'm hoping with CCV opening I have more of a shot at Poly, which is my first choice, for an otherwise hard to obtain weekend.

I'm on the fence of switching over to Copper Creek for my trip but the rooms just seem so unappealing to me...I don't know why. I think I might just keep my Poly reservation?

 

[Lisa F]

I'm on the fence of switching over to Copper Creek for my trip but the rooms just seem so unappealing to me...I don't know why. I think I might just keep my Poly reservation?

it is a good time to try it now when availability will be easy. I'm hoping to switch from my home (BWV) to Copper Creek and then waitlist poly basically because I am not expecting poly to be available at 7 months. But when I do book I am going to be stalking for someone from the poly to switch to CCV. Who knows, I might get lucky. or I might not. I fell in love with Poly on our last trip, now the kid is begging me to stay there again. I'll do the best I can! but hoping the CCV situation might help!

 

[Dean Marino]

Answering the Original Question:

Day 1, WDW owns all points for this new DVC that has NOTHING TO DO with BRV. As the majority point owner? They will rent everything they can, to recover as much as they can, from construction cost. They will likely (no proof) get stuck with excess inventory, and discount the rentals just as they HAVE done for the main VWL rooms. Until they start to sell of the property.

As time goes on (and "time" could translate to quite a while) - WDW will sell points, and remove CCV property from rental availability. For a model of this process..... examine POLY DVC sales vs Rentals, over the last year or so.

All personal opinion - I'm not necessarily right, no one else is necessarily wrong.

 

[tjkraz]

Day 1, WDW owns all points for this new DVC that has NOTHING TO DO with BRV.

Yes, Disney owns all of the points before any sales are made. However, 48 of the 184 villas at Copper Creek have already been added to the DVC timeshare program making them available for points reservations. They can rent the other 136 rooms to cash guests but the 48 will have members staying in them from day one regardless of how many points are sold.

Historically, this launch period has been among the easiest times to book a new resort. That isn't even open to debate. When reservations open to all members in April, there will be more than 4 months of dates (July 17 - Nov 26) with a rather small number of reservations taken by owners. And even beyond that initial launch, the resort will continue to be at low occupancy as new dates hit the 7 month window. There will be many nights when only 1 or 2 villas have been booked by owners. There may be some nights when zero rooms are booked.

The question is how closely CCV mirrors other resorts. Some have argued that the timing of the launch (popular fall dates) and relatively low nightly point costs will lead to a more competitive environment than what we saw at resorts like the Poly and Grand Floridian. It will still be "easy" to book CCV at 7 months as of April...but depending upon member demand for CCV, it may not seem quite as easy as the likes of Poly and VGF.

 

[CarolMN]

There is another factor that suggests CCV will be easier to book at 7 months now than in the future. It will take a while before there will be a noticeable number of CCV owners willing to rent their points, so there won't be a lot of availability disappearing before the 7 month window even opens. The renters will have to wait for 7 months and that should give DVC owners a day or so "head start" on booking. (I'm assuming that most of the rental brokers do not have owners lined up willing to pounce on openings right at 8 AM eastern. I could be wrong about that, of course).

Renting in general has exploded over the past year or so and IMO, it is a significant factor in the 7 month booking challenge as more and more of them are willing to book more than 7 months in advance to get what they want. (The recent increase in payments to owners for home resort booking priority supports that opinion).

I understand that renting is legal. But I can't help but wish owners had at least a few weeks advantage over renters at 7 months.

 

[KSkywalker17]

I understand that renting is legal. But I can't help but wish owners had at least a few weeks advantage over renters at 7 months.

Totally agree. I fear the issue is just going to get worse if renting continues to gain popularity. Can you imagine 5-10 years down the road if your only options would be: 1. Home resort at 11 months(if your lucky) 2. SSR or OKW for any stays 0-7months out

Since Disney seems to be so active in adding DVC properties, we should be able to stay ahead of the curve for a while but it's definitely a concern.

 

[Lisa F]

There is another factor that suggests CCV will be easier to book at 7 months now than in the future. It will take a while before there will be a noticeable number of CCV owners willing to rent their points, so there won't be a lot of availability disappearing before the 7 month window even opens. The renters will have to wait for 7 months and that should give DVC owners a day or so "head start" on booking. (I'm assuming that most of the rental brokers do not have owners lined up willing to pounce on openings right at 8 AM eastern. I could be wrong about that, of course).

Renting in general has exploded over the past year or so and IMO, it is a significant factor in the 7 month booking challenge as more and more of them are willing to book more than 7 months in advance to get what they want. (The recent increase in payments to owners for home resort booking priority supports that opinion).

I understand that renting is legal. But I can't help but wish owners had at least a few weeks advantage over renters at 7 months.

I get it totally but I'm not sure how that could happen practically. You would have to require that a room be owner-occupied if rented right at the 7 month window. What about people who take family with them, they can book for themselves but not family? And how would you police this if someone wanted to change the occupants in an existing reservation? It's just too complicated and requires too much policing. But I get it, I took a break from the DIS and when I left, here was pretty much the only place to rent your points. Now with all of the brokers it's a business and the price is up because everyone needs their cut. Kind of crazy how much it has grown.

Then again when I bought in my choices were BWV and OKW. I did not envision all of the choices I have now and I never wanted to stay at OKW. So I guess I got exactly what I paid for and expected... the ability to book at BWV before non owners. I'm not sure what people's expectations are nowadays with all of the choices!

 

[drusba]

Here is my understanding of how it really works early on:

1. For sale purposes, the resort is divided into "units." A unit can be a room or multiple rooms. Each cabin at CCV, since it is separated from any other cabins and rooms, will likely be its own unit, while the main building will likely have mostly units with more than one room.

2. Before sales begin DVD declares a number of units into the DVC system, and it is in one of those initially declared units in which an early purchaser will be assigned a real estate interest. Each unit has its own designated use year, so someone who adds on and gets a June use year will get an ownership interest in a different unit from a purchaser who gets a different use year.

3. When you make a reservation, you can potentially be assigned to any room in the resort, including those in any units that DVD (the DVC developer) still owns and has not yet dedicated to DVC -- that arrangement is covered and allowed by a side agreement that exists between DVD and the related entities that control DVC reservations (the Disney Vacation Management Company and the Buena Vista Trading Company) The way reservations are actually divided between Disney and DVC members is on a percentage of dedicated units vs. non-dedicated. The units already dedicated to DVC constitute some percentage ownership interest of the total ownership interest at the resort, such as, for example, 20%. Thus, for any given day of the year, DVC members can reserve up to 20% of the room time available, while DVD, through the Disney central reservations system, gets to rent the other 80%.

4. For the most part, reservations at 7 months out by members during the early periods after sales begin are easier to get than when the resort approaches sell-out. That is because you have units dedicated to DVC that are only partly sold and thus purchasers of the new resort are not going to use up all the reservation time that DVC members can get. However, even that has many exceptions because new purchasers may skew their reservations to highly desired rooms (like ones with low point costs) or to highly desired times of year. For example, CCV, which, only days ago, opened for reservations by purchasers of CCV, already has studios booked full for early December, the highest DVC demand time of the year, and NYE, the highest DVC demand night of the year. It would not surprise me to see Thansgiving and some other times like maraton weekend in Jan disappear before DVC onwers of other resorts get a chance to book CCV. Once filled, rooms could open up later due to either cancellations or the addition of new units to DVC as sales progress.

Poly, as a prior example, after it first went on sale, actually saw a number of dates fill before non-owners could reserve in its first Oct through Decemeber period, but then in its second year, Oct to December was fairly open at 7 months out because many more units had been declared. Poly is actually now going the other way again, with more and more time disappearing before 7 months out during that last quarter of the year (DVC's high demand quarter of the year). VGF, which has a limited number of studios that now are filled before 7 months out for much of the year, had only minor problems at 7 months out for a substantial period of time after non-owners could reserve there.

 

[KSkywalker17]

Here is my understanding of how it really works early on:

1. For sale purposes, the resort is divided into "units." A unit can be a room or multiple rooms. Each cabin at CCV, since it is separated from any other cabins and rooms, will likely be its own unit, while the main building will likely have mostly units with more than one room.

2. Before sales begin DVD declares a number of units into the DVC system, and it is in one of those initially declared units in which an early purchaser will be assigned a real estate interest. Each unit has its own designated use year, so someone who adds on and gets a June use year will get an ownership interest in a different unit from a new purchaser who gets a different use year.

3. When you make a reservation, you can potentially be assigned to any room in the resort, including those in any units that DVD (the DVC developer) still owns and has not yet dedicated to DVC -- that arrangement is covered and allowed by a side agreement that exists between DVD and the related entities that control DVC reservations (the Disney Vacation Management Company and the Buena Vista Trading Company) The way reservations are actually divided between Disney and DVC members is on a percentage of dedicated units vs. non-dedicated. The units already dedicated to DVC constitute some percentage ownership interest of the total ownership interest at the resort, such as, for example, 20%. Thus, for any given day of the year, DVC members can reserve up to 20% of the room time available, while DVD, through the Disney central reservations system, gets to rent the other 80%.

4. For the most part, reservations at 7 months out by members during the early periods after sales begin are easier to get than when the resort approaches sell-out. That is because you have units dedicated to DVC that are only partly sold and thus purchasers of the new resort are not going to use up all the reservation time that DVC members can get. However, even that has many exceptions because new purchasers may skew their reservations to highly desired rooms (like ones with low point costs) or to highly desired times of year. For example, CCV, which, only days ago, opened for reservations by purchasers of CCV, already has studios booked full for early December, the highest DVC demand time of the year, and NYE, the highest DVC demand night of the year. It would not surprise me to see Thansgiving and some other times like maraton weekend in Jan disappear before DVC onwers of other resorts get a chance to book CCV. Once filled, rooms could open up later due to either cancellations or the addition of new units to DVC as sales progress.

Poly, as a prior example, after it first went on sale, actually saw a number of dates fill before non-owners could reserve in its first Oct through Decemeber period, but then in its second year, Oct to December was fairly open at 7 months out because many more units had been declared. Poly is actually now going the other way again, with more and more time disappearing before 7 month during that last quarter of the year (DVC's high demand quarter of the year). VGF, which has a limited number of studios that now are filled before 7 months out for much of the year, had only minor problems at 7 months out for a substantial period of time after non-owners could reserve there.

Wow, great insight. I think what's going to be difficult to forecast is how CCV is generally viewed by casual DVC owners. While I understand it's a "new" resort, it's not "new" like the Poly or VGF were (for me, it's an extension of BRV on the other side of the resort). I'm just looking forward to increased DVC inventory to ease the booking process for a while.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

The reasons I am thinking some dates, in particular, may be quick to book for 7 months when the opening bell chimes:

1. "ooh, Wilderness Lodge at CHRISTMAS!!!!"

2. The studios, especially, for marathon weekend I would expect to poof right quick for 7 months, given that we are not yet to 7 months for that and if you look at RAT for Studios...

3. Also, the first two weeks of December. Again, add 1+2 (look at RAT for studios for those weeks right now).

Because there will be a low number of studios in the declaration, relatively speaking, and the weeks in 2-3 are already tight tight tight, I can see people hovering to try to switch. Larger units/non-lock offs will likely be easier, but maybe not so much for marathon.

The point cost to book these is pretty low, save cabin$, and it's inventory being released into a few periods where inventory is dicey before 7 months even opens. Anyone who cannot book or switch when 7 months hits for early December/marathon in early April will be prepping for non-home owner booking open.

Other dates will likely be less hard, and once we clear marathon weekend I would expect 7 month booking to be non-panic.

 

[Mazz519]

To EPCOT? Take the boat to the Contemporary, then hop on the Monorail. We try to avoid the busses as much as possible for the MK Loop and EPCOT. Love the boat rides! (Less Hub Bub)

we do the same thing boat to Contemp then Monorail to Epcot

 

[Mazz519]

we have VWL booked for Christmas week this year gonna try and change to CCV when we can

 

[DebbieB]

48 rooms including 12 cabins have been declared. 31 of the 48 are 2 bedroom or larger (not including the 10 lockoff). It's going to be difficult to get a studio or 1 bedroom.

http://dvcnews.com/index.php/resort...ws-75774/3671-counting-villas-at-copper-creek

DVC is taking over the entire southern half of Wilderness Lodge. As part of Copper Creek’s Master Declaration, Disney declared 48 vacation homes, or about one-fourth of the resort’s 184 total vacation homes. Included in these 48 vacation homes were the following types:

3 Dedicated Studios
4 Dedicated One Bedroom Villas
2 Alternate Lockoff Two Bedroom Villas (including Alternate Studios)
8 Lockoff Two Bedroom Villas
17 Dedicated Two Bedroom Villas
2 Grand Villas
12 Cabins
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48 vacation homes

 

[PatMcDuck]

I have Boulder Ridge booked in October, and I think I might prefer that to CC. But, I would not mind trying CC of course. I am on $$ so probably not switching, I am just happy to be at WL. I want to visit the Fort a few times, as well.