What on earth makkes a "former youth minister", or anyone, do something like this?

Originally posted by goofygirl
For the record, I thought that whole thing was ridiculous as well.

But felt no need to comment because there were no children involved???

If the kid got seriously hurt, I can understand the concern. But since pratically nothing happened to the kid, I refuse to feel sorry for him. He's probably experienced worse treatment from other kids, (scratches, bumps and bruises from playing) or even his parents (spanking).

And how dare you imply this child has received worse treatment at the hands of his parents due to being spanked. That is 'quite' a bit of conjecture, and a pretty sizeable leap from the potential truth to possible fiction.
 
Originally posted by Eeyore1954
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It would be wrong if he had knocked down another adult too. I wonder what your take on that would be, if there had not been a child involved.
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What if he had knocked over, kicked or stepped on a cat? I'll bet there'd be more howling & yeowling from you than from the cat!


BWAAAHAAAHAAA!!!
 
Originally posted by goofygirl
That says a lot about how stupid the media really is. And people are saying *I* don't have MY priorities straight? I think the media's priorities are way out of line!

It is absolutely scary to me that this Starr guy was practically hunted down like a witch with the press revealing his name, where he's from, where he works, where he USED to work, etc. Convicted felons have more privacy than this!

Oh, but *I* am the one with the mixed up priorities!:rolleyes:

Hmmmm....

Wow. I am so much in shock that anyone could possibly defend this scum that I hope I can control myself.

This guy shoved a small child. I don't want to hear about any "lost in the heat of the moment " blah blah. He made a choice. And that choice was "I want this ball and I'm going to push and shove a 4 year old CHILD out of my way to dive over a seat and get it. Pushing and shoving another person against their will, esp. if it is someone you do not know, esp. if they are a child and you are an adult is not legal where I live. Maybe it doesn't get reported often, but if some guy walks down the street and physically shoves me, I can call taht asault or attempted assault.

When you commit a crime, however small it is, you should really think about the consequences of your actions. If you don't want your name mentioned in the paper, or for hundreds of people to call you a jerk, then think before you act.

Thankfully the boy was not hurt. You say sine nothing happened to this child, you do not feel sorry for him?!? I hope you don't have kids. I hope you are not ever left in the charge of someone else's kids. Because anyone, IMO, who can just brush off a small boy getting pushed and shoved as "not a big deal because he wasn't hurt" should not be left with children in their care.

Do you know how easily he could have been hurt?? Another inch and this moron could have landed on him , broken his bones, or worse.

You really , truly think it is okay for a grown man to shove a four year old if there is something he wants near the child? Why not let the child have it, first off, like a normal human being? But if you really feel that strongly about having the ball, why not ask like a decent human being if you can have it? There is no excuse for pushing a small kid out of the way to get something you want so the child doesn't get it first.

This is the same sort of person who would push kids out of the way at WDW during parades, or stand in front of them and say "tough" when they ask him to step aside 1/2 a foot for the kid to see Mickey Mouse. I guess you are that sort of person too, since you think it's not a big deal.

The media reports what will get ratings but they did not break any journalistic laws that I see by using this guys name. He did something very , very bad. I'm personally glad his name was mentioned and I hope he has a hard time for quite a while being known as the loser who pushed a little kid to get a baseball.

I really just do not get how you can defend his actions. I really, truly don't.
 
You know, maybe I am wrong, but it didn't sound to me like GG was justifying this. I have to say that this guy was a jerk, but we all behave inapropriately on occasion. I am sure glad my worst screw ups were not made national.
 

Originally posted by meandtheguys
You know, maybe I am wrong, but it didn't sound to me like GG was justifying this. I have to say that this guy was a jerk, but we all behave inapropriately on occasion. I am sure glad my worst screw ups were not made national.

Did your worse screw ups even come close to assaulting a small child?? I doubt it.

I've done some dumb things in my life too, but never anything that could have physically harmed an innocent little kid.
 
Originally posted by meandtheguys
You know, maybe I am wrong, but it didn't sound to me like GG was justifying this. I have to say that this guy was a jerk, but we all behave inapropriately on occasion. I am sure glad my worst screw ups were not made national.
I am, too, but when I do screw up, I try to make amends immediately or as soon as possible. That's a sign of maturity.

It's good that Mr. Starr woke up and smelled the coffee burning. He may be a day late and a dollar short, but at least he is now doing the right thing. It's too bad it took all the media pressure to get him to do it. Hopefully, it will be a learning experience for him.
 
I do see your opinion. But I know that I once caused my son harm by a bad choice. He cut the tip of his finger almost off, becasue I had not totally removed the lid from a soup can.

As far as the guy goes, I don't know why he took so long to apologize. As I said originally, he is a jerk. I don't think people need to be publically humiliated for being a jerk. I don't have ANY problem, however with filing criminal charges and going through the legal system, however.
 
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Honestly? I'm with GoofyGirl on this one. I think this was blown so far out of proportion that mountain/molehill doesn't even begin to cover it. Yeah, the guy was an overzealous schmuck. Big whoop.
 
Originally posted by meandtheguys
I do see your opinion. But I know that I once caused my son harm by a bad choice. He cut the tip of his finger almost off, becasue I had not totally removed the lid from a soup can.

As far as the guy goes, I don't know why he took so long to apologize. As I said originally, he is a jerk. I don't think people need to be publically humiliated for being a jerk. I don't have ANY problem, however with filing criminal charges and going through the legal system, however.

I don't think your son accidentally cutting his finger is the same thing as this guy making a conscious choice to jump into a seat and shove a 4 year old he doesn't know out of the way.
 
I think the key factor to keep in mind, is that he would not admitt that he was wrong at the time. He should have never let it get as far as it did. Just like the Cubs incident, sometimes fans lose track of their surroundings in their quest for that ball. But once he realized what had occured, why not just give the kid the ball?? I tend to believe that the reason this got so huge, is that he did not do that. (now the poor Cubs fan on the other hand could do nothing to remedy his sitiuation and therefore should not have been subjected to his media frenzy)
 
All right, I know I am not doing a good job explaining my feelings on this. Locally we had a little 2 year old boy strangled by a step-parent. Horrific crime. Not newsworthy except locally. This guy who I have clearly said is a jerk, has in essense become a worse criminal than the killer due to the media. I have a problem with that.
 
I don't believe the media is making Mr. Starr into a criminal. It was an unforunate incident caught on tape that resonates deeply with many people. He's not a criminal -- however, he was a complete JERK.
 
Originally posted by meandtheguys
All right, I know I am not doing a good job explaining my feelings on this. Locally we had a little 2 year old boy strangled by a step-parent. Horrific crime. Not newsworthy except locally. This guy who I have clearly said is a jerk, has in essense become a worse criminal than the killer due to the media. I have a problem with that.

You have made a good point. But imagine if the incident you just described was caught on camera and viewed by millions of people like the baseball game was. Do you believe that the public would of still treated the baseball jerk worse than that step-parent?
 
Aah, you are right. I just wanted to make the point. I kinda felt everyone jumped on GG more for her past statements re. kids than her post in this thread. My sense of fairness was offended:rolleyes: and I had the need to jump in there! Silly, I know! She can most def. take care of herself!

DL, I do appreciate your acknowledgement of my point!
 
Quote by goofygirl: {That says a lot about how stupid the media really is. And people
are saying *I*don't have MY priorities straight? I think the media's priorities are way out of line!

It is absolutely scary to me that this Starr guy was practically hunted down like a witch with the press revealing his name, where he's from, where he works, where he USED to work, etc. Convicted felons have more privacy than this!

Oh, but *I* am the one with the mixed up priorities!}


Yes, as a matter of fact you are the one with the mixed up priorities.
 
This guy's a jerk.

And, to top it off, he reveled in it. He was gloating and actually egging the crowd on while they chanted at him. OH, but NOW the whole world knows what a jerk he is and NOW he "agree's" to give the boy the ball with a written appology? Day late, dollar short, and not even close to being well meant.

It's too bad this wound up on the news, but ya know what? Tough. He was busted and then made it worse himself.

He could have rectified this and made the whole situation go away alot faster, and redeemed himself right after it happened. Instead he CHOSE to make the situation worse. Too bad then, suffer the conciquenses.

Whoever thinks it just not that big of a deal for a big 26 year old MAN (NOT A KID as the pastor or whoever said) to knock over a helpless, much smaller 4 year old CHILD is just wacked! However blown out of proportion it is. :mad:
 
But felt no need to comment because there were no children involved???

But I DID comment on that topic!

Thats okay, I do not expect you to remember everything I've said here on the DIS- my post count in is the 3,000's and I do not remember them all myself!


Yes, as a matter of fact you are the one with the mixed up priorities.
So I guess privacy is not a priority with you and its okay for the media to make a circus out of your life even if you had not broken any laws or hurt anyone. That's okay with you as long as a kid is involved?

I'm glad my priorities are where they are!
 
Originally posted by goofygirl




So I guess privacy is not a priority with you and its okay for the media to make a circus out of your life even if you had not broken any laws or hurt anyone. That's okay with you as long as a kid is involved?



It matters not if here is a child involved. If you make a jerk out of yourself in public, you may suffer the consequences. Jumping on top of someone (anyone) to get a baseball at a game is disgustingly rude and crude behavior. He got what he derserves. If he didn't want to be on TV he should not have attacked fellow spectators.
 
I do see your opinion. But I know that I once caused my son harm by a bad choice. He cut the tip of his finger almost off, becasue I had not totally removed the lid from a soup can.

You'd better watch out with a confession like this! You can be tracked down, and before you know it, you'll be Public Enemy Number One in today's society! ;)
 
The fact is there are a lot of jerks in this world who do stupid things that by themselves are not illegal, but are rude, inconsiderate or plain mean-spirited in themselves, and they never get caught. Ever out driving and you see a guy weaving in and out of traffic and you wished for once there was a cop sitting waiting for him? Well this incident is for all the jerks who got away with something. And this is for all the people that got cut off by the inconsiderate jerk. For once a jerk did a stupid thing in front of millions of witnesses and he is paying the ultimate price. Did the media go a bit overboard? Yeah. Is Starrs the scapegoat for all the jerks in the world? Yeah. Am I going to lose slepp over it? Nope.
 





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