What is wrong with people?

[Bob Slydell]

Seems like you've had more than your share of issues with "Snotleigh and Bratleigh" lately.

 

[FinallyBoughtDVC]

I'm not saying you shouldn't quiet a 3yo in a theater. I know I would have been doing that with mine and would have taken her out if she couldn't quiet down. But to call a 3yo that's just asking questions a brat is way over the top .

A brat is a brat. If a parent doesn't want others to think of their child as a brat, then they should act like parents. Way over the top? Don't think so.

I just call them as I see them.

 

[FinallyBoughtDVC]

Seems like you've had more than your share of issues with "Snotleigh and Bratleigh" lately.

You're telling me...

It seems like rules of decorum have just flown out the window lately. I always considered myself to be a modern woman, a liberal-minded New Yorker. But, geez, we could use some old-fashioned, traditional rules of etiquette. Manners and class have gone out of style - selfishness is the new in thing.

On the other hand - I took my dd to the orthodontist before. It's pouring here in New York. As we ran across the parking lot to the office door, this boy (about 12 years old) was walking back to his car behind his mother. He saw us approaching the office and ran back to open the door for us. It was the sweetest thing. Gave him a big high five and a huge thank you. I also looked toward mom and gave her a thumbs up.

 

[Nana Annie]

So, we chose two shows (there are an assortment to choose from - some for older kids - grades 3/4 and up, others for younger kids which are more cartoony). We chose those geared to older kids and adults and bought $35 worth of tickets.

That's why many similar places don't allow anybody under 10yo or so. Awesome rule!

Yeah, but that would leave my dd out and she is more of an adult than many adults I meet these days.

I think the management of these places need to lay down the law and let visitors know when certain shows are not appropriate for very young children, what behavior will not be tolerated, etc.

You chose a show that was geared towards children older than your child.

You are ok with age limits as long as they are under your child's age limit?

Sorry, if you want management of children, you are going to have to accept that perhaps your dear own precious, adult daughter might be excluded from shows.

You want to demand things one way - as long as they don't affect your daughter. Sounds pretty Indulgent to me?

Although I do agree that any person, be it child or adult should act respectfully of the others around him.

 

[CEDmom]

A brat is a brat. If a parent doesn't want others to think of their child as a brat, then they should act like parents. Way over the top? Don't think so.

I just call them as I see them.

Your brat threshold is much, much lower than mine. Using your measurement every child on the planet including your own would likely be considered one .

 

[lpizzuro123]

The parents should have taken the child out. Many years ago we were doing a tour of the White House and there was a couple with a child (maybe 3) that was making a fuss. The guide on the tour made one of the parents take the child out and the other parent stayed with the tour. The parent that had taken the child out then went on the tour while the parent that went on the tour had to stay out with the child. It should not be the responsibility of the tour guide to do this but I am very glad they did.

My parents were once at the movies and the little child behind my mom kept kicking her chair - finally my mom turned around said something and the mother of the child told my mother to mind her own business and not to talk to her child.

Linda

 

[mickeyboat]

Broad over-generalizations really ruffle my feathers. I am sorry your show was not as enjoyable as it could have been, but it does not mean that an entire generation of moronic parents are raising an entire generation of "Bratleighs and Snotleighs" with no manners.

 

[FinallyBoughtDVC]

You chose a show that was geared towards children older than your child.

You are ok with age limits as long as they are under your child's age limit?

Sorry, if you want management of children, you are going to have to accept that perhaps your dear own precious, adult daughter might be excluded from shows.

You want to demand things one way - as long as they don't affect your daughter. Sounds pretty Indulgent to me?

Although I do agree that any person, be it child or adult should act respectfully of the others around him.

My daughter (8 years old) is in 4th grade - the show we went to see was geared to 3rd and 4th graders and older (as I stated in my pp). What in heaven's name are you talking about?!

And - that being said - I would have no problem who was in the room - as long as they behaved appropriately. It was dark - I judged the child's age by the tone of his voice - he could have been 15 years old for all I know - it doesn't matter anyway. It was disruptive, rude and should have been stopped.

I also said, in another post, that I don't agree with age minimums because it punishes those children, and their families, who can sit quietly and enjoy a show, restaurant, movie, etc. There were other young children at the show - didn't hear a peep out of them.

Your snarkiness (I am so loving the word snarky) is definitely out of line here. If you had truly read what I wrote you would have seen your complaints about my opinions are for naught. Unless you quoted me and were speaking about someone else.

BTW, my 8 year old daughter is not an adult (she just behaves like one - actually, better than most).

 

[Bob Slydell]

Your brat threshold is much, much lower than mine. Using your measurement every child on the planet including your own would likely be considered one .

Slightly OT -- I love the term "brat threshold" I might have to use that one in the future.

 

[Nana Annie]

I also said, in another post, that I don't agree with age minimums because it punishes those children, and their families, who can sit quietly and enjoy a show, restaurant, movie, etc.

Yeah, but that would leave my dd out and she is more of an adult than many adults I meet these days.

I think the management of these places need to lay down the law and let visitors know when certain shows are not appropriate for very young children, what behavior will not be tolerated, etc. .

Sorry if I am misreading your posts, however, you do seem to be contradicting yourself.

As others have mentioned, I have a problem with people that make broad generalizations of people due to some circumstances, yet won't stand up and do anything about it. You said your show was already ruined. So why then did you not get up and ask mgt to remove the child after the first few minutes. At least most of your show would have been saved for you and the other patrons. I highly doubt the other patrons would have minded you getting up if the end result was to fix a problem shared by all. If something is bothering you, you don't get to just sit there and meekly suffer and then throw a temper tantrum later about how society is declining.

As I said previously, I do agree with you that children or adults should act responsibly. However, that is the only thing I agree about. If I have a problem, I deal with it right away. Then voila - no more problem. You chose not to act on the problem, so don't complain about it.

 

[themarquis]

Snotleigh and Bratleigh

 

[Dr.Snark]

(I am so loving the word snarky)

Which definition of snarky?

Please not #10, please not #10...

 

[cardaway]

I'll admit my "brat threshold" is very low. I simply refuse to be the person that allows the bratty kid to keep going and expect others to do the same.

Even if my sister and I didn't get removed at the time because we were not making a scene, it was a long time before we got to go out again because of our bahavior. Our parents simply made other arrangments and we satyed home rather than getting to out out for dinenr or other cool places.

We fought like cats and dogs during the day but there was nothing but love when it was time to go out.

 

[stargrazer]

I wasn't at the planetarium, so can't comment on OP's exact situation, but I agree that parenting paramaters are going downhill, and I attribute it to the 'all about me' attitude that currently pervades much of society. I dealt with it myself last week.

Took DD11 to see Harry Potter again, and there was a woman that had 4 children under 5 and one infant with her. When she first came in I thought for sure someone else would be coming to help her manage the kids (and, I might add, that movie is PG-13), but nope, just her and the five itty-bitties.

She got up and left the theatre at least 10 times during the movie and all the kids had to come with her EVERY time she left as she was alone. They chose seats at the topmost row so the entire theatre got to witness the parade up and down the steps (no easy feat considering the ages involved, a couple of them were barely walking). And the best part of all was the crying infant. The entire time they were in the theatre, no less.

I'm glad it was the second viewing for us because I wouldn't have held my tounge otherwise.

I don't blame the kids or the infant, I blame the caregiver for thinking she could take 5 little kids to a loud, scary and completely inappropriate film that not only could she NOT enjoy, but ruin for everyone else that paid to be there.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I'm with the OP on this.

I was in The American Adventure on Tuesday, and there was a family with a young child sitting at the end of the row near the ENTRANCE; in a theater like that, where they're announcing where to exit with your child if you need to leave, I'd be sitting on the other side, near the exit, if I had young children...but that's me. As soon as the lights went out, the kid starts in whining and crying. The mother finally works her way to the other end of the theater, and then...stands there...and stands there...and stands there...for the rest of the show, bouncing up and down trying to quiet the kid. Why not just LEAVE?

 

[Jennasis]

Had a family bring an infant to the 9:30pm showing of The Simpsons Movie on opening night. Needless to say the baby screamed throughout most of it while occassionally the mom said "Shush!"...as if the 6 month old could understand that. In front of us were two teen girls who giggled loudly and shouted comments at the screen while occassionally snapping pics of the screen with their cell phone. DH leaned forward right into one of them's ear and said "You are both being too loud". They actually jumped they were so startled. But it shut 'em up. As for the baby, after a good 1/2 hour of crying (oh and I saw management actually walk in, look up to where the family was, shake their head and walk out...) I finally yelled "Shut up shut up Shut up!" (anyone famliar with the Simpsons will remember the episode with Milhouse's dad yelling) which caused the theatre to erupt with applause and the mom finally got up and left.

OP, were you at the Vannderbilt planetarium? I love that place.

 

[Principessa Alba]

Sorry if I am misreading your posts, however, you do seem to be contradicting yourself.

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If by "you do seem to be contradicting yourself" you mean to say "I'm not really paying attention to what you have written because I just love to argue with everyone about this and don't really care what they are saying about it because I'm disagreeable and need to be right all the time", then we agree!

It's pretty clear on these threads who have the kids (or grandkids) who aren't disciplined. Isn't it?

OP, give the snottleighs and brateighs a break. They only know what they are taught.

 

[Bob Slydell]

It's pretty clear on these threads who have the kids (or grandkids) who aren't disciplined. Isn't it?

No, not really

 

[Christine]

As for the baby, after a good 1/2 hour of crying (oh and I saw management actually walk in, look up to where the family was, shake their head and walk out...) I finally yelled "Shut up shut up Shut up!" (anyone famliar with the Simpsons will remember the episode with Milhouse's dad yelling) which caused the theatre to erupt with applause and the mom finally got up and left.

God, I wish I had been there. That's beautiful!

 

[Camicar]

OP -- I agree with you 100%.

I am sick unto death of the self-absorbed, MEMEME attitude of so many parents today who are raising obnoxious brats.

For FIVE years a family consisting of a mother and son chose to sit near my family at church. The mother had no control over this child whatsoever. He would shriek, rip pages out of the hymnal, jump up and down, make armpit farts, push chairs around, kick the chair in front of him, touch people, etc. And no, he was not special needs and he could behave on those rare occasions when his father showed up. For five years every time we moved, she would move with us because she wanted her son to see my dd's good behavior and model it. Several times parishioners spoke to her very gently about his behavior and nothing ever changed. We have lost parishioners due to this brat's behavior bec quite honestly you cannot ignore this kid's behavior and it totally disrupts the service. For five years. The kid is now 11 and I can only imagine what he's going to be like when puberty hits since she has no control over him now and didn't when he was just 6. But you know what -- at this point, I am done having compassion for her anymore. JUST BE A PARENT and get some control over your kid.