What is with the trend toward extravagant weddings

Hi Aisling--I see you are from NYC also:goodvibes do you mind further enlightening me on the cover your plate thing?
Was the approximate cost per head of your wedding made clear to guests (by you or your family or however it is done--I assume it is a word of mouth kind of thing) with the intent of alerting them to what type of gift was expected?
Did you, or your family, expect guests to bring gifts that equaled the cost of their participation in the ceremony?
Did all (or nearly all) guests do so (regardless of your expectation being there or not)?

I'm from Long Island originally and the cover-your-plate mentality still exists there. however, it's not really something the bridal couple thinks about when planning...it's something most guests consider and do on their own.

When I planned my first wedding, I planned it the way I wanted to with no regard for what we might receive gift-wise.

When I GO to a wedding, I generally give enough to (hopefully) cover my plate at least. It's really just an estimate, since us guests have no way of knowing how much the couple spent per person.
 
I'm from Long Island originally and the cover-your-plate mentality still exists there. however, it's not really something the bridal couple thinks about when planning...it's something most guests consider and do on their own.

When I planned my first wedding, I planned it the way I wanted to with no regard for what we might receive gift-wise.

When I GO to a wedding, I generally give enough to (hopefully) cover my plate at least. It's really just an estimate, since us guests have no way of knowing how much the couple spent per person.

Thanks for that explanation. It makes more sense to me than the example upthread about a couple lettings it be known what the cost would be and the other couple choosing no to attend because it would be considered rude if they did and did not spend $1000 on a gift and they did not have that kind of money to spend. The whole thing is just such a different concept to me I am (obviously) fascinated:upsidedow
 
So, if its a choice between your good friend or relative being at the wedding and not "covering their plate" or not being there at all--the choice of their being there with a smaller gift would be preferable? I mean its not like anyone would actually look down on someone for coming to the wedding with a gift they can afford but doesn't actually cover the plate, right?

Like the pp, I always get a bit confused about covering the plate and wondered just how it worked. I mean I always picture the mother of the bride standing at the door with a note pad and calculator. :rotfl: I assume its not this way.
 
So, if its a choice between your good friend or relative being at the wedding and not "covering their plate" or not being there at all--the choice of their being there with a smaller gift would be preferable? I mean its not like anyone would actually look down on someone for coming to the wedding with a gift they can afford but doesn't actually cover the plate, right?

Like the pp, I always get a bit confused about covering the plate and wondered just how it worked. I mean I always picture the mother of the bride standing at the door with a note pad and calculator. :rotfl: I assume its not this way.

When I had heard about it (always on the DIS) that is always how I assumed it was--right up until this thread and the post about NOT going to a good friend's wedding because they could not afford the right prices gift, which has what has me so amazed. Thanks for asking much more succinctly than i have managed to do:flower3:
 

So, if its a choice between your good friend or relative being at the wedding and not "covering their plate" or not being there at all--the choice of their being there with a smaller gift would be preferable? I mean its not like anyone would actually look down on someone for coming to the wedding with a gift they can afford but doesn't actually cover the plate, right?

Like the pp, I always get a bit confused about covering the plate and wondered just how it worked. I mean I always picture the mother of the bride standing at the door with a note pad and calculator. :rotfl: I assume its not this way.

Yes. I have never heard of anyone NOT attending a wedding (even the extravagant ones) if they couldn't give a similarly extravagant gift or enough cash to cover their late. In general (I'm sure there are exceptions, just watch those Birdezilla shows) bridal couples just want people to be there and share in their day.
 
Thanks for that explanation. It makes more sense to me than the example upthread about a couple lettings it be known what the cost would be and the other couple choosing no to attend because it would be considered rude if they did and did not spend $1000 on a gift and they did not have that kind of money to spend. The whole thing is just such a different concept to me I am (obviously) fascinated:upsidedow

The example of people letting it be known the cost of the wedding is NOT the norm. We get the invitation, we try to determine the approximate cost of the venue (and might discuss it with friends), and come to a determination of what to give. It is more about what you expect to give, than what one expects to receive.
 
Jennasis and mjkacmom--where were you ladies last night?!?!? Now I am so much less confused. :flower3:
Take away lesson (and PLEASE bama know this is also light hearted and joking, kay;)): Don't trust the Southern boy to explain New York practices:rotfl2:
 
To be fair, I hope you don't automatically judge people as not focusing on making a successful marriage just because they go "all out" for their wedding reception.

It bothers me when I've had people judge me as being shallow because I have a bling engagement ring/wedding band. My dad's goal was to make me a princess for a day, with all the trimmings, not to keep up with the Jonses, but because I was his little girl and he wanted me to have whatever I wanted for this day that would be the start of the rest of my married life.
Sure, you can't assume . . . but you also can't pretend that a whole lot of brides just want to have the big party and aren't putting all that much effort into the idea of preparing for marriage. This is more prevalent with brides who have big weddings; after all, I don't know a whole lot of people who are anxious to have a Justice of the Peace wedding (although those people may be very anxious to be married), but I know a whole lot of girls who've dreamed of bridesmaids dresses and flowers for years. And I know a whole lot of girls who think they're -- well, losers is too strong a word, but you know what I mean -- losers if they aren't married by a certain age (and that age might vary; some might say 21, others 25, others 30).

Maybe the cultures who have Quinceanera ceremonies have it right: A chance for the girl (and her mom) to have a big blow-out party . . . without being forced to pick a groom! You know I don't mean that seriously.
My sister briefly entertained the notion of choosing a catering hall that offered this, but went with a different one (for her first wedding). The one she chose instead set off indoor fireworks off of each table when the bride and groom entered the room.

My cousin and his wife got married at a catering hall on Long Island where the bride entered the back of the chapel from behind a backlit curtain, where she was standing on a turntable that slowly rotated around until she was facing front as the curtain lifted.
See, I wouldn't want those things if they were free. No, worse than that: If they paid me to have those things, I'd still not want them. It's completely not my idea of tasteful.
If second mortgages are being taken out, credit cards maxed, personal loans and all other matter of things being done to get together enough money to throw a huge wedding, then I think it is stupid. Who is that caught up in appearances that they are willing to risk their financial future over a party?

But, I'm not the one paying back the credit cards or all the loans, so whatever. :confused3 Do what ever you want, doesn't affect my bank account.
Well, looking at it from a wider point of view, it DOES affect your bank account. Consider the economic trouble we as a country are in right now. Much of this recession was caused by the average consumer's lack of restraint. If people hadn't bought too much house and too much car, hadn't neglected to save for a rainy day, hadn't maxed out multiple credit cards, etc, etc, etc., then things wouldn't be as drastic as they are. We're all going to be paying for bankruptcies, bail-outs, and other awful financial things for years to come.

Don't stretch what I'm saying: I'm not saying that extravagant weddings have caused America's financial difficulties. I'm saying that over-spending in multiple ways has led us down a bad path, and this is ONE EXAMPLE of the type of thing that's caused it.
No booze at a wedding????? :scared1::scared1::scared1::scared1::scared1:
Nope. I never even considered alcohol at my reception.
We were invited to one wedding that had a cost, per plate, of over $500. The family let it be known, and the reason was that they expected their daughter to get gifts to cover that cost - even though the parents were RICH and were paying every cent. We were saving for our own wedding, so couldn't afford to cover the $1k gift, so we didn't attend the reception. Everyone understood, and no one was insulted.
I'd have been insulted if my friend (or her parents) wanted a gift more than she wanted me at her wedding. That's the kind of thing that I think goes over the line.
The thing to remember - almost everyone benefits from this. We were married on Long Island, so our Long Island friends didn't give us less because we expected less. So no one loses out (unless they never get married or have children that get married), and young couples have a great start at life with the money received. People don't do it this way because they are greedy. It is just the way it is. People from Long Island are just a nice as people from Alabama.
I'm not seeing how everyone benefits from it. Surely y'all can't all afford large cash wedding gifts for everyone you know. I mean, where does the money come from? I think you've been raised that way and have been taught to think that "everyone benefits", but it doesn't stand up to logic.

I don't see how the bride's parents benefit (they pay and pay, and the couple gets the money). I don't see how the couple's families, who are likely saving for their similar-aged children's weddings, benefit from it. I don't see how the bride's just-out-of-college-where-is-the-money-gonna-come-from? friends benefit. I don't see how the couple benefits when they have to reciprocate this large amount of money over and over and over as their friends get married.

The way I see it, the couple "benefits" at their own wedding, but then they pay for it (by being obligated to give at other weddings) for the rest of their lives.
 
See, I wouldn't want those things if they were free. No, worse than that: If they paid me to have those things, I'd still not want them. It's completely not my idea of tasteful..

Me either, but it was quite the spectacle. I don't think the turntable was extra $$ (we joked that it reminded us of the scene in the old Mighty Joe Young movie where the girl is playing a piano while the giant gorilla holds her up on a rotating turntable), but the fireworks were extra. Still can't figure out how that didn't violate fire code.

Fun parties though.:thumbsup2


I think, for me, the moral of the story for this thread is if you object to what the bridal couple is asking from you as a guest, or you object to the style in which they are holding their wedding, or feel uncomfortable in any way about the wedding itself, then decline the invite. No wedding couple needs "friends" or even family sitting there in judgment of them all night.
 
I'm not seeing how everyone benefits from it. Surely y'all can't all afford large cash wedding gifts for everyone you know. I mean, where does the money come from? I think you've been raised that way and have been taught to think that "everyone benefits", but it doesn't stand up to logic.

I don't see how the bride's parents benefit (they pay and pay, and the couple gets the money). I don't see how the couple's families, who are likely saving for their similar-aged children's weddings, benefit from it. I don't see how the bride's just-out-of-college-where-is-the-money-gonna-come-from? friends benefit. I don't see how the couple benefits when they have to reciprocate this large amount of money over and over and over as their friends get married.

The way I see it, the couple "benefits" at their own wedding, but then they pay for it (by being obligated to give at other weddings) for the rest of their lives.


Obviously, they benefit by being able to attend a spectacular party that will remain the highlight of their lives for years to come. ;)

I know you weren't entirely serious about the Quinceanera thing, but I sort of think you had a point. I personally knew several girls who spent their whole lives dreaming of their weddings. They practically had the whole thing planned, minus the groom. They even had an age in mind by which they were determined to be married. One literally had it planned- she was buying things and putting down deposits, even! I think many of them didn't end up waiting for "Mr Right". They found "Mr Best I've found so far and he will work with my timeline" and married him. Then once the wedding was over their real lives couldn't possibly measure up - it was like they were so lost without the wedding to focus on. They are all divorced now. I'm sure that doesn't happen with all girls who plan their wedding without knowing the groom, but it has to everyone I knew who was like that. (I admit I don't understand the concept of planning the wedding before you have a groom. Or rather, I don't get the idea of sticking to your childhood dream wedding when you have another person involved, since I think the wedding is the couple's day and not just the bride's day.) It really seems that some people are so focused on the wedding - that they want this one day that is just so perfect and all about them - and they forget to think about the marriage. Maybe if they got the day of being a princess out of the way before their wedding they could focus more on finding the right guy to spend their lives with. Of course, I guess there's always the possibility that they'll get addicted to that feeling and want to start planning their next "princess day" as soon as the first one is over.
 
Jennasis and mjkacmom--where were you ladies last night?!?!? Now I am so much less confused. :flower3:
Take away lesson (and PLEASE bama know this is also light hearted and joking, kay;)): Don't trust the Southern boy to explain New York practices:rotfl2:

I am glad that they chimed in. I now understand it better, myself. :thumbsup2
 
I think, for me, the moral of the story for this thread is if you object to what the bridal couple is asking from you as a guest, or you object to the style in which they are holding their wedding, or feel uncomfortable in any way about the wedding itself, then decline the invite. No wedding couple needs "friends" or even family sitting there in judgment of them all night.
What was difficult to me (before you and Mjkacmom chimed in) was it looked like it would be very easy for someone like me--who is not from NYC and does not know that culture--to be invited to a wedding of a friend who is from there (or marrying someone from there) and inadvertently offend them by not covering my plate when I would have no idea that such an expectation exists. Now that I get that (with the exception of a few wacky mothers or others) it is something the guests impose on themselves and not an expectation of the bridal couple it seems much friendlier:goodvibes
Obviously, they benefit by being able to attend a spectacular party that will remain the highlight of their lives for years to come. ;)

I know you weren't entirely serious about the Quinceanera thing, but I sort of think you had a point. I personally knew several girls who spent their whole lives dreaming of their weddings. They practically had the whole thing planned, minus the groom. They even had an age in mind by which they were determined to be married. One literally had it planned- she was buying things and putting down deposits, even! I think many of them didn't end up waiting for "Mr Right". They found "Mr Best I've found so far and he will work with my timeline" and married him. Then once the wedding was over their real lives couldn't possibly measure up - it was like they were so lost without the wedding to focus on. They are all divorced now. I'm sure that doesn't happen with all girls who plan their wedding without knowing the groom, but it has to everyone I knew who was like that. (I admit I don't understand the concept of planning the wedding before you have a groom. Or rather, I don't get the idea of sticking to your childhood dream wedding when you have another person involved, since I think the wedding is the couple's day and not just the bride's day.) It really seems that some people are so focused on the wedding - that they want this one day that is just so perfect and all about them - and they forget to think about the marriage. Maybe if they got the day of being a princess out of the way before their wedding they could focus more on finding the right guy to spend their lives with. Of course, I guess there's always the possibility that they'll get addicted to that feeling and want to start planning their next "princess day" as soon as the first one is over.

I somehwat agree. I do think Mrs. Pete is onto something (a bit) with the Quincenera (or comming out ball, or big sweet 16 bash) being a way to get the big party done without the pressure to choose a spouse. I have seen a couple of girls like you reference who truly did have the wedding planned all out and picked the first guy who came along who fit into the wedding plan--one girl even told many of us straight out she wasn't really in love with him but that he would do and he was willling to let her plan the wedding:sad2: But I do not think that is the case for MOST people (no matter the size or cost of their weddings).

I am glad that they chimed in. I now understand it better, myself. :thumbsup2
Thanks for being willing to explain and to learn:thumbsup2
 
I somehwat agree. I do think Mrs. Pete is onto something (a bit) with the Quincenera (or comming out ball, or big sweet 16 bash) being a way to get the big party done without the pressure to choose a spouse. I have seen a couple of girls like you reference who truly did have the wedding planned all out and picked the first guy who came along who fit into the wedding plan--one girl even told many of us straight out she wasn't really in love with him but that he would do and he was willling to let her plan the wedding:sad2: But I do not think that is the case for MOST people (no matter the size or cost of their weddings).

I definitely don't think it's the case for most people. And I'm sure there are also people who are in love with the idea of love, and don't care about the wedding but just want to be married, and they choose a groom too quickly because of that. But given that I knew several people who rushed into marriage for the sake of the party, I suspect there lots of people out there who are like that. I don't necessarily think they all have elaborate weddings; I think many of them probably have fairly simple weddings. I just think that for many people, the wedding is more important than the marriage. Or in some cases, just being married is more important than who you marry.
 
... Which is why I thought it was so amusing to hear a man chime in that his wife was just as much a Princess as actual royalty.

There is a HUGE difference between pretending to be a Princess (with a capital P) and actually being one. Being born to that status is a job, and it comes with a lot of baggage that limits your choices in very many ways. Fairy-tale Princesses have none of the responsibilities of real ones. The benefits of being a real one are great, I'll grant, but you have to earn them via a lifetime of putting others' interests first.

It drives me nuts to hear brides (or anyone, really) go on about the bride being the "star" of the wedding "show." It is not a show, and there should not be a star. It is a celebration, not a theatrical performance. The dress may be something of a work of art, but the person wearing it is still just a person, and when it comes to the party, her first concern should be the comfort of the guests, because they are guests, not acolytes.
 
With the exception of the side discussion on gifts, this is just another thread that basically says, "I wouldn't waste my money on that!" With "that" being anything the person issuing the statement doesn't want/like/care about. And then the people who also don't care about "that" or spent less on it than other people chime in, feeling proud that they also didn't waste their money and are happy that other people seem to agree with them. "That" can be anything from a designer handbag, to multiple trips to the same location, to weddings, to home renovations.

There's plenty I wouldn't "waste" my money on: Fine wine, a new car, sports tickets, video games, books on model airplanes, popcorn at the movie theater, camping gear, etc. But I don't think less of anyone else for enjoying these things. And what better use for money than to bring happiness?
 
In my case, I had a big wedding not by choice, but out of family obligations. Kenny and I wanted originally to get married at Disney and have a small affair with just close family. Our parents wouldn't hear of it. I am my parents only child and my parents wanted this big, elaborate affair. My mil is Japanese and in Asian tradition, weddings are supposed to be this huge thing.

So, our parents turned our little happy wedding into something on the Food Network. I wore a dress I hated (I wanted a simple dress, my mom wanted me to wear this Cinderella dress), there was an open bar, lots of food, and it was held at a beautiful lodge at a lake. We had Asian inspired decorations and a beautiful cake. There were 150 people in attendance, half of whom I barely knew.

My parents paid for the wedding and the in-laws paid for the honeymoon and the reception. We went to WDW/DCL for our honeymoon.

It was a beautiful wedding and I'm happy it was done that way. Tommorrow is our 4 year wedding anniversary. We are thinking of doing a vow renewal down the road so we can have the ceremony we wanted; a small affair at WDW.

Anna
 
With the exception of the side discussion on gifts, this is just another thread that basically says, "I wouldn't waste my money on that!" With "that" being anything the person issuing the statement doesn't want/like/care about. And then the people who also don't care about "that" or spent less on it than other people chime in, feeling proud that they also didn't waste their money and are happy that other people seem to agree with them. "That" can be anything from a designer handbag, to multiple trips to the same location, to weddings, to home renovations.

There's plenty I wouldn't "waste" my money on: Fine wine, a new car, sports tickets, video games, books on model airplanes, popcorn at the movie theater, camping gear, etc. But I don't think less of anyone else for enjoying these things. And what better use for money than to bring happiness?

I think it has been more a "I wouldn't go into debt for THAT" which is slightly different. Personally I would not go into debt for a wedding, or anything of the things you listed (or a Disney--or other--vacation as referenced above). I am not big on debt though:rolleyes1
 
I think it has been more a "I wouldn't go into debt for THAT" which is slightly different. Personally I would not go into debt for a wedding, or anything of the things you listed (or a Disney--or other--vacation as referenced above). I am not big on debt though:rolleyes1


I agree. I don't see this as one of those "I wouldn't waste my money on that!" threads.

Everybody has something they splurge on. I'm sure there are plenty of things I splurge on that other people would never spend their money on. I don't care if someone wants to spring for an elaborate wedding (or designer bag, or vacation, or anything else) if it's something that makes them happy. I'd never think someone was wrong for spending a fortune on their wedding, as long as they had a fortune to spend.

But I do think it's sad if someone spends all that money for a big impressive wedding just because they think they have to, in order to keep up with the Joneses or to keep up appearances. And I really think it's sad when someone goes way into debt to pay for a huge wedding. Money troubles are a huge source of stress in many marriages. Starting out your marriage by taking out huge loans to pay for your party just seems like borrowing trouble unneccessarily, in my opinion.
 
Obviously, they benefit by being able to attend a spectacular party that will remain the highlight of their lives for years to come. ;)

I know you weren't entirely serious about the Quinceanera thing, but I sort of think you had a point. I personally knew several girls who spent their whole lives dreaming of their weddings. They practically had the whole thing planned, minus the groom. They even had an age in mind by which they were determined to be married. One literally had it planned- she was buying things and putting down deposits, even! I think many of them didn't end up waiting for "Mr Right". They found "Mr Best I've found so far and he will work with my timeline" and married him. Then once the wedding was over their real lives couldn't possibly measure up - it was like they were so lost without the wedding to focus on. They are all divorced now. I'm sure that doesn't happen with all girls who plan their wedding without knowing the groom, but it has to everyone I knew who was like that. (I admit I don't understand the concept of planning the wedding before you have a groom. Or rather, I don't get the idea of sticking to your childhood dream wedding when you have another person involved, since I think the wedding is the couple's day and not just the bride's day.) It really seems that some people are so focused on the wedding - that they want this one day that is just so perfect and all about them - and they forget to think about the marriage. Maybe if they got the day of being a princess out of the way before their wedding they could focus more on finding the right guy to spend their lives with. Of course, I guess there's always the possibility that they'll get addicted to that feeling and want to start planning their next "princess day" as soon as the first one is over.
Someone else's wedding is a life highlight? Wonderful evening, certainly. I still can't buy into the "everyone benefits" idea.

You've hit the nail on the head with girls planning weddings that were missing only the groom! That's exactly what I think of as the sterotype of a girl who wants a big wedding but doesn't think much about the marriage that'll follow. I knew plenty of people like that in high school and college. I've worked at weddings since I was a teenager, and I did keep a mental list of "ideas I'd like to borrow", but some girls I knew were actively planning from a very young age.
I definitely don't think it's the case for most people. And I'm sure there are also people who are in love with the idea of love, and don't care about the wedding but just want to be married, and they choose a groom too quickly because of that. But given that I knew several people who rushed into marriage for the sake of the party, I suspect there lots of people out there who are like that. I don't necessarily think they all have elaborate weddings; I think many of them probably have fairly simple weddings. I just think that for many people, the wedding is more important than the marriage. Or in some cases, just being married is more important than who you marry.
Yep, I think most of us girls either came to college with the guy we THOUGHT was Mr. Right, or we EXPECTED that we'd meet Mr. Right in college, and I definitely knew some people who -- as graduation approached -- decided that time was drawing short, and it was time to accept (to borrow a perfect phrase from a previous poster) "Mr Best I've found so far and he will work with my timeline". It's like they'd messed up if they didn't have a significant other by graduation.

This problem was enhanced by the fact that most of us DID meet our spouses during college.
But I do think it's sad if someone spends all that money for a big impressive wedding just because they think they have to, in order to keep up with the Joneses or to keep up appearances. And I really think it's sad when someone goes way into debt to pay for a huge wedding. Money troubles are a huge source of stress in many marriages. Starting out your marriage by taking out huge loans to pay for your party just seems like borrowing trouble unneccessarily, in my opinion.
That just seems like common sense to me. I can't understand borrowing for a wedding. I also can't understand delaying marriage for years while saving for a big wedding.
 
Interesting, people commenting that women get married early just to have the big wedding, and marrying the wrong guy. Around here, where big weddings are the norm, waiting until you are 30+ is also very common. I was 27 when I got married, and only 2 out of all of my HS and college friends were married. So, at least here, most aren't getting married just for the sake of a wedding.

I don't think anyone should go into debt for a wedding, a house, a vehicle, a vacation... I lump them all together. However, if someone wants to spend money they can afford to spend on a lavish wedding, more power to them. Everyone has different priorities.
 


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