What is really wrong with Wal-Mart?

Papa Deuce said:
What a lot of folks do not realize is that Wal-Mart put American business out of business or forces them to go to other countries to stay in business.

For instance: Levi Strauss was told by Wal-Mart that they must hit a price point that Wal-Mart set or they wouldn't be carried in their store.... Levi Strauss moves their company out of the US to make this happen.

Another problem:

Vlassic Pickles were sold in ONE GALLON jugs for only a few cents more at Walmart than a "normal" sized jar. Tons and Tons of people were buying the gallon jar. When Vlassic complained that the sale of these one gallon jars was killing them in the grocery stores, Walmart said basically "tough toenails, you don't like it we won't carry any of your products in any of our stores"......

LisaR - These are a couple of WELL KNOWN instances of Walmart's practices. I never said I appreciated HOME Depot, Target or others, I just particularly do not like Walmart. There was a family owned and operated garden store that just went belly-up due to Home Depot and Walmart being in the same area. The company was in business for 56 years.

My first job was in a locally owned and operated Record Store. We got to know our customers and were part of the culture and history of New Haven, CT - I watched the two owners struggle over the years as chains opened and undercut business. Unfortunately the customer service wasn't the best, but their prices were low only until the competition was gone (us).

LISAR said:
But then where do you shop? I have had one friend that works at Target and one friend that works at Wal-mart for almost the exact same amount of time. The friend at Target makes .50 cents an hour more then the friend at Wal-Mart. Both have kids in school and work only for "fun money." Wal-Mart has been overly accomadating in this regard and Target hasn't been. My one friend would rather make .50 cents less and not have to fight with them when her kids have a half day of school.

It is getting more and more difficult to shop. You sort of made my point about WALMART not providing meaningful employment to the community ... 'fun money' isn't what most families need.

I think competition is GREAT for consumers in the long run - I just happen to believe the practices and methods these companies, particularly WALMART, engage in are not competitive but destructive.
 
JoeThaNo1Stunna said:
When you pay your dues and become the number one superpower that you can be, you get this kind of hegemony. The bottom line is it is good for the consumer who shops at Wal-Mart.

If Vlassic doesn't want to offer that deal at Wal-Mart, then lose money and don't sell products there.

I agree....isn't that what a free market is all about. They also aren't really a monopoly since there are other stores out there like Target...Target just hasn't gotten where Wal-mart is just yet...give them time. K-mart was run so poorly that it couldn't compete. I happen to like our brand new Wal-mart that was put in near here in the last 6 months. It is kinda a cross btw the super store and a regular store. It has all the groceries...but isn't as massive as the true super stores...but also doesn't have the crowded ailes of a smaller store. It just seems they offer a little less variety of merchandise to accomplish this size difference...like less toy aisles etc.
 
The Wal-Mart near my old house was dirty, cluttered, smelly, poorly lit, etc. You couldn't fit 2 carriages down the same aisle at the same time. I hated shopping there!
 
Walmart is not my favorite store for lots of reasons stated in other posts. Plus, their produce is disgusting. So, I avoid the place, the culture, the hassle, and the environment of Walmart.
 

Papa Deuce said:
What a lot of folks do not realize is that Wal-Mart put American business out of business or forces them to go to other countries to stay in business.

For instance: Levi Strauss was told by Wal-Mart that they must hit a price point that Wal-Mart set or they wouldn't be carried in their store.... Levi Strauss moves their company out of the US to make this happen.

Another problem:

Vlassic Pickles were sold in ONE GALLON jugs for only a few cents more at Walmart than a "normal" sized jar. Tons and Tons of people were buying the gallon jar. When Vlassic complained that the sale of these one gallon jars was killing them in the grocery stores, Walmart said basically "tough toenails, you don't like it we won't carry any of your products in any of our stores"......


I don't by this at all. Levi had been in trouble for a long, long time. Long ago, Levi was the "cool" name brand to buy. But then the market became saturated with other designer jeans and nobody was interested in Levi's anymore. As a last ditch effort, they tried Wal-Mart who wanted their jeans for a better price. Levi decided to take their product overseas so they could make cheaper jeans to sell to everyone. You can find Levi jeans in all different types of stores that sell all different brands of jeans. How does Levi compete against all the other name brand jeans that Kohl's carries? With their cheaper prices! Is Levi upset that they are still in the jean market, still making money? I highly doubt it. The fact is, Levi wouldn't be able to compete today against all the brands out there if their jean prices hadn't come down. Nobody was going to pay the same price for Levi's when they could get a pair of Guess jeans for the same price or less. It is easier for them to say it is "all Wal-Marts fault that they went overseas" instead of "we just can't compete in today's market."

Now, the real fault is ours. America. We are the ones that wanted cheaper products. We are the ones that stopped buying Made in America products. We wanted the latest fashions for the best price. Wal-Mart saw that and took advantage of that but they couldn't have done it without customers.

Lisa
 
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/77/walmart.html
But the low-end business isn't a business Levi is known for, or one it had been particularly interested in. It's also a business in which Levi will find itself competing with lean, experienced players such as VF and Faded Glory. Levi's makeover might so improve its performance with its non-Wal-Mart suppliers that its established business will thrive, too. It is just as likely that any gains will be offset by the competitive pressures already dissolving Levi's premium brands, and by the cannibalization of its own sales. "It's hard to see how this relationship will boost Levi's higher-end business," says Paul Farris, a professor at the University of Virginia's Darden Graduate School of Business Administration. "It's easy to see how this will hurt the higher-end business."

If Levi clothing is a runaway hit at Wal-Mart, that may indeed rescue Levi as a business. But what will have been rescued? The Signature line--it includes clothing for girls, boys, men, and women--is an odd departure for a company whose brand has long been an American icon. Some of the jeans have the look, the fingertip feel, of pricier Levis. But much of the clothing has the look and feel it must have, given its price (around $23 for adult pants): cheap. Cheap and disappointing to find labeled with Levi Strauss's name. And just five days before the cheery profit news, Levi had another announcement: It is closing its last two U.S. factories, both in San Antonio, and laying off more than 2,500 workers, or 21% of its workforce. A company that 22 years ago had 60 clothing plants in the United States--and that was known as one of the most socially reponsible corporations on the planet--will, by 2004, not make any clothes at all. It will just import them.
 
Thanks for the link RobinMarie. I was trying to remember where I read this. I'm glad it was posted, and I hope everybody takes a look.
 
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LisaR said:
Now, the real fault is ours. America. We are the ones that wanted cheaper products. We are the ones that stopped buying Made in America products. We wanted the latest fashions for the best price. Wal-Mart saw that and took advantage of that but they couldn't have done it without customers.

Lisa


THAT'S why so many people are boycotting Wal-Mart! If we caused the problem, maybe we can fix it.
 
georgina said:
THAT'S why so many people are boycotting Wal-Mart!

Yep. I used to belong to a Made in America consumer's group. It too, is now defunct. :rolleyes:
 
Take a look at this article for an idea about their selling practices:

http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/77/walmart.html

While it's wonderful that they have low prices.. and I think it's godsend for people with low incomes.. it ultimately is hurting a lot of people, especially those with lower incomes.. alot of the folks that make the products that walmart carries are losing their jobs because walmart is squeezing the suppliers profit margin in order to bring you those items at a lower cost. Many suppliers can not afford, *not* to have walmart carry their items.

Walmart is thee largest general merchandise/grocery retailer.. they no longer have any real rivals, in that category. They sell in a couple of months what Home Depot sells in a year (and home depot is the #2 retailer in the country) They are also the largest reatailer of cd's.. They are so big that they can dictate to their vendors everything from content, to packaging, to pricing.

The bottom line is it is good for the consumer who shops at Wal-Mart.
not if that comsumer had a job working at the vlassic pickle factory..

If Vlassic doesn't want to offer that deal at Wal-Mart, then lose money and don't sell products there.

It's not a matter of lose money or don't sell your product at walmart-- it quickly becomes a matter of whether or not to go out of business.. If they are responsible for 30% of your sales.. that is an enormous amount of income to try and make up for elsewhere.. and the problem is that walmart knows that and they use it to strong arm their vendors.

Their basic method is to lower prices, year after year on the basic staples of the store. Because they are so huge, the vendor's become dependent on them. Walmart might easily be responsible for 30% of your business.. when that happens, you really can't say 'no' to anything they ask for.. including, when they ask you to lower your price. So you do.. and in order to sell your item at the price, you lay off a couple of thousand employees, then next year walmart comes back and asks you to lower your price again.. there go another couple thousand employees, or maybe you move your production line overseas, now your employees are out of a job...

From the aricle:
"The gallon was hoisting Vlasic and hurting it at the same time.

Young remembers begging Wal-Mart for relief. "They said, 'No way,' " says Young. "We said we'll increase the price"--even $3.49 would have helped tremendously--"and they said, 'If you do that, all the other products of yours we buy, we'll stop buying.' It was a clear threat." Hunn recalls things a little differently, if just as ominously: "They said, 'We want the $2.97 gallon of pickles. If you don't do it, we'll see if someone else might.' I knew our competitors were saying to Wal-Mart, 'We'll do the $2.97 gallons if you give us your other business.' " Wal-Mart's business was so indispensable to Vlasic, and the gallon so central to the Wal-Mart relationship, that decisions about the future of the gallon were made at the CEO level.

Finally, Wal-Mart let Vlasic up for air. "The Wal-Mart guy's response was classic," Young recalls. "He said, 'Well, we've done to pickles what we did to orange juice. We've killed it. We can back off.' " Vlasic got to take it down to just over half a gallon of pickles, for $2.79. Not long after that, in January 2001, Vlasic filed for bankruptcy--although the gallon jar of pickles, everyone agrees, wasn't a critical factor."

Take a few minutes to read the article.. it's enlightening..

--heather
 
Yes I boycott Wal-mart. My DH is a sales manager for a huge world wide company that is carried in everystore in most parts of the world. They are treated so poorly in Wal-mart that they have a hard time finding people willing to call on the stores. He calls on all the supermarkets, Targets and every mom and pop store in the area and Wal-mart is the only one he boycotts. Everyone in his division plus all of the other vendors from other companies also boycott Wal-mart. Will the miss the money we Don't spend there every month. NO, but it makes him feel he has made his small statement.
 
Heather, Papa Deuce and I all have read the same article (and it obviously had a profound affect on us!)

But I wanted to cite more reading material in case anyone is interested:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/

From:http://webhost.bridgew.edu/jhayesboh/badbusiness.html
So many of its employees need government support that some larger Wal-Mart stores have welfare offices in the store -- for the people who work there. One Congressional study estimates that a single Wal-Mart "employing" 200 people would cost taxpayers over $400,000 in added social spending.
http://edworkforce.house.gov/democrats/WALMARTREPORT.pdf
 
EsmeraldaX said:
Wouldn't these people need even more welfare if they were not employed at all???

What about the employees of the vendors that have to close their factories and move overseas in order to keep up with walmarts demands for lower prices?

--h
 
heathrow42 said:
What about the employees of the vendors that have to close their factories and move overseas in order to keep up with walmarts demands for lower prices?

--h

What about them? That was not my question.

Wal-Mart is not the only business that outsources. If you are going to scapegoat Wal-Mart than list the thousands of other companies that are outsourcing as well. Don't just pick on one.

I don't want to say where I work. But I work for a company that has products Wal Mart refuses to buy for content. (I imagine all publishers and distributors of cds/dvds do) and we do just fine without their business.
 
I had to buy my daughter clothes and went to Wal-mart b/c of all their commercials about being on a budget having stuff to buy and Walmart being the place they can stretch their dollar the farthest.

I do like their Faded Glory brand--At Wal-mart I could not believe the total on my receipt for what little I bought for her. For the price...I do just as well if not better at The Children's Place, Gap, and Old Navy.

For me--they just don't offer my style of clothes that fit the way that I need them to fit--so I do much better at Old Navy...I bought 10 pieces at Old Navy yesterday for what I felt a good deal--better than I can find at Walmart (without hitting the clearance racks that have 10 pieces of XL or XS and nothing in between left).

Last year for Easter--decided last minute to get the girls Easter Dresses...got them a better quality, non-itchy dress at Chilren's Place for $2-$3 less per dress than at Wal-Mart.


I do go to Wal-Mart on occasion for craft supplies or quick things. I just think they are misleading the customer base by saying that EVERYTHING is a better deal at Wal-Mart when I have not found that to be the case and have consistently found at the very least better clothing deals elsewhere.
 
EsmeraldaX said:
What about them? That was not my question.

Wal-Mart is not the only business that outsources. If you are going to scapegoat Wal-Mart than list the thousands of other companies that are outsourcing as well. Don't just pick on one.

I don't want to say where I work. But I work for a company that has products Wal Mart refuses to buy for content. (I imagine all publishers and distributors of cds/dvds do) and we do just fine without their business.

Good for you and your company, and I mean that truly. Not every compnay can do that.
 
EsmeraldaX said:
Wouldn't these people need even more welfare if they were not employed at all???

Sort of gives the term 'Welfare to Work' something to argue about doesn't it?

I think the point is a company LIKE WALMART may be relying on welfare to continue to do business the way it does. Afterall, if they do not have to provide benefits and enough wages for hard working employees, the country will compensate.

I don't think many people will continue to work at Walmart if they continue to qualify for welfare benefits. The turnover must be outrageous!

This thread clearly cites other companies who outsource, but the reason this retailer is being targeted is because of the enormous effect it had on the country.
 
I guess I don't really see an enourmous effect on the country. The people I know who have worked there enjoyed it more than other retail employment they'd had.

I also don't get it because there is a LOT of stuff that is no where to be found at Wal Mart. I have never found a cd of an artist I liked at Wal-Mart. I rarely find DVDs I want there (aside from Disney) and even when I do, I usually buy these items at Best Buy because they are usually cheaper there. I don't food shop at Wal Mart because I just like my local place (also a chain) better and it's closer. Their selection of books is horrible, and their home decorating stuff is not my style. Their clothing is okay but they don't have much of a selection.

I shop at Wal Mart for stuff like socks, towels, solid color bed sheets, household cleaners, candles etc.

Maybe part of it is because I live in a very high tourist area? I do most of my shopping in Salem, NH, Salem, MA and Boston, MA. Salem, Ma and Boston are very high with tourists. So our small stores do pretty well.
 
EsmeraldaX said:
What about them? That was not my question.

Wal-Mart is not the only business that outsources. If you are going to scapegoat Wal-Mart than list the thousands of other companies that are outsourcing as well. Don't just pick on one.

..what i was trying to say (if you read my previous post about walmart) is that while walmart may employ people when they open up stores.. they also put alot of people out of jobs, by forcing vendors to lower their prices to ridiculous levels. I'm not saying that walmart outsources.. I am saying that their pricing practices make it hard for their suppliers not too. So companies that made items in the US, are forced to make them elsewhere.

--heather
 












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