What I dislike most about Disney:

[ogreenlee]

I punish by either using time-outs or restriction. I'll put her in time-out if she needs to calm down when she's riled up acting out, or mad and pitching fits. If that doesn't work, I send her to her room.

Sarcasm is part of our family, and she's actually good at it.... intelligently. Some may frown upon that, but she is very quick-witted and her desert dry sense of humor amazes us. We do not punish her for those type remarks... as long as they're not disrespectful. She knows the difference. But then, she turns into a kid who doesn't get her way, or frustrated because she just doesn't understand some things because of her age and immaturity. She doesn't have any older siblings to see on a daily basis. She has one 12 year old cousin that she sees the most, and she is far from admirable. The rest of the kids that she sees in that older range is from TV. My daughter's desperation to be older and wiser is why she emulates those kids.


And look at two of the biggest Disney stars.. both have hit rock bottom. And speaking of bottom... I can think of more than one old Disney star's bottom that we have all probably seen. Christina Aguilera is actually one of the few respectable ones that came out of Disney and managed to stay relevant without truly dragging.

I wouldn't mind if my daughter wanted to be a rockstar, as long as she put in the time to learn her craft and make her music a reflection of her, and not what some music producer is looking for to make money.

 

[Indiana Rose Lee]

One of my sons is sarcastic, and really a hoot. But he has had to learn when it is appropriate and with whom it is appropriate. He has learned this from me, I must say, because I tend to see the irony in situations, as he does.

I find that even shows like Home Improvement, a favorite here, do tend to bring about comments and sass that we have to work through. It has nothing to do with an understanding of the difference between real and unreal when they are seeing the attitudes in real life, too. Everything that goes into the brain has to be sorted through and figured out.

 

[Indiana Rose Lee]

Yes it was a paper on tv and behavior and there is actually a lot of professionals who agree. To blame tv for childs behavior is a cop out. So to say my child is sassy because she saw Miley do it IMO wrong.

I remember doing it when I was younger(rolling my eyes and back talk) and I had consequences but a child will push the limits even if they are punished for this behavior. So to say these kids are allowed to act this way is wrong also. So yes children are like this they are moody, sassy and smart at times but they are just that CHILDREN.

You can find a professional who will say about anything. That is because so many people need to be published.

It is a fact that part of the desensitization of Nazi soldiers involved showing movies of killing. Over and over.It didn't matter that it wasn't real, it served its purpose.

Tv has power, because people watch too much of it. If a kid is watching an hour of silliness in a 16 hour day, it will have far less affect than the child who plops their butt in front of it when they come home from school and stays there until bedtime. It is just common sense. Most kids are somewhere in the middle of that continuum. And people routinely underestimate how much is watched, just as they underestimate the calories they eat in a day. A tv log is a good way to keep tabs on it.

 

[Tiger926]

I punish by either using time-outs or restriction. I'll put her in time-out if she needs to calm down when she's riled up acting out, or mad and pitching fits. If that doesn't work, I send her to her room.

Sarcasm is part of our family, and she's actually good at it.... intelligently. Some may frown upon that, but she is very quick-witted and her desert dry sense of humor amazes us. We do not punish her for those type remarks... as long as they're not disrespectful. She knows the difference. But then, she turns into a kid who doesn't get her way, or frustrated because she just doesn't understand some things because of her age and immaturity. She doesn't have any older siblings to see on a daily basis. She has one 12 year old cousin that she sees the most, and she is far from admirable. The rest of the kids that she sees in that older range is from TV. My daughter's desperation to be older and wiser is why she emulates those kids.


And look at two of the biggest Disney stars.. both have hit rock bottom. And speaking of bottom... I can think of more than one old Disney star's bottom that we have all probably seen. Christina Aguilera is actually one of the few respectable ones that came out of Disney and managed to stay relevant without truly dragging.

I wouldn't mind if my daughter wanted to be a rockstar, as long as she put in the time to learn her craft and make her music a reflection of her, and not what some music producer is looking for to make money.

Ummm...not sure you're talking about the same Christina Aguilera I know. Have you ever seen the video Dirty? If not, I would suggest you watch (please, not while the children are awake), and then post back your thoughts. Christina Aguilera has only calmed down now, after getting married and having a baby. In order to shed her Disney good girl image and sell more records, she became dirty for a good 5 years, so much so, that they started calling her, XTina. The x standing for x-rated.

On a related note, as a teacher, I have to tell you that sarcasm is quite a problematic trait. Sarcastic teachers have loads of problems in classes (which causes me to have to reschedule my spec ed students in other classes), or, they get suspended as the one I heard about yesterday. Sarcastic kids are also very problematic - very sassy, mouthy and downright rude and ignorant many times. I'm not sure this is something that I would be encouraging in my children. Many of the TV shows that people are talking about, rely on sarcasm in order to get laughs at the expense of others. Not a good value to be teaching, IMHO. Sarcasm is an area that can cause many problems, for many people.

Tiger

 

[JUJU814]

Yes it was a paper on tv and behavior and there is actually a lot of professionals who agree. To blame tv for childs behavior is a cop out. So to say my child is sassy because she saw Miley do it IMO wrong.

I remember doing it when I was younger(rolling my eyes and back talk) and I had consequences but a child will push the limits even if they are punished for this behavior. So to say these kids are allowed to act this way is wrong also. So yes children are like this they are moody, sassy and smart at times but they are just that CHILDREN.

I'm assuming from your signature that your children are still very little..ages 2 and 3? I'd be interested to see if your opinions on the issue change when your children are older and you start to actually experience more of this with them.

I don't think anyone here blames their child's behavior solely on TV..that would be wrong because as their parents, it's up to us to deal with our behavior. I'd look like a total idiot if my kid was a misbehaved brat and I just helplessly said "oh I can't help it..it's because of what she sees on TV" Duh... LOL

I wrote some papers on things in college that sided with different views and in the same court as professionals, and got A+ on them. I researched thoroughly the topics. My opinions now, after 17 years of parenting, are polar opposite of those well written, well researched papers.

There are just as many professionals that believe in the poor influence of TV and violence on TV for kids, as there are that hold the opposite view.

It's just that..a view. It's up to each of us individually to raise our own kids and how we achieve that is on us. Some of us see even channels like Disney are not good in excess for our kids, others don't see it that way.

 

[Indiana Rose Lee]

lol, our view do change as our kids actually pass through those stages!

 

[ogreenlee]

I said that about Christina Aguilera with a good bit of irony. It's sad when she's one of the good girls of the bunch. At least she tamed herself with age. At least she can really sing. lol

 

[Tiger926]

I said that about Christina Aguilera with a good bit of irony. It's sad when she's one of the good girls of the bunch. At least she tamed herself with age. At least she can really sing. lol

Point well taken! Tiger

 

[Disneywed]

I am trying to remember if there were shows like this when we were young and I can't...we also only had cartoons on Saturday mornings(and Davey and Goliath on Sunday mornings...)

 

[gregokdisney]

Ok, I'll be more obvious: you wrote a paper. Has it been published? Or is it a paper you wrote for a school project? What grade did you get? I'm sure there are a lot of professionals who agree with you. And there's a lot who don't.

What are your sources? Do you have hard, scientific evidence? Or, is it just that this is your opinion, and not fact? I'll answer: it's your opinion. It is not fact. Saying that you wrote a paper on it, means NOTHING.

I think this poster is saying that the research she consulted when writing the paper overwhelming stated that TV does not really influence children's behavior. I don't think she's saying that her paper definitively answers the question.

I am a librarian and occasionally get parents who complain that their child's (bad) behavior is caused by something they read. The American Library Association has also done research on this. The MAJORITY of children's behavior isn't caused by something they've read, seen or heard elsewhere. It's caused by kids being kids, and it is up to the PARENTS to guide and shape their behavior. If you allow your child to be sassy, no matter where he saw or heard it, he/she will be sassy. If you allow your child to bully others, no matter where the idea came from, he or she will continue to do it. Kids are always going to try on different personas and behaviors. It's part of growing up. That's why PARENTING is so incredibly important and why it's so worrisome that so many parents don't do much parenting - they do more blaming of others for their child's behavior.

To those parents who don't like their child's behavior after they've seen certain TV shows or read something or listened to music, and then stopped the TV or music and seen improvement - that is great and wonderful! But the behavior didn't stop because they no longer are watching TV - the behavior stopped because YOU made it clear in no uncertain terms that that behavior is not allowed and there are consequences to your child's CHOICES in behavior.

 

[Spacepest]

Reading this thread, I have one comment so far.

I'm so glad I don't have cable and that our TV is incapable of getting regular TV stations (well, without very bad snow that makes them unwatchable). For the past four years, this has been a DVD only house.

What a blessing. No more commercials. And thanks to our local library system, I get to preview many of the mainstream childrens' shows on DVD, so I can monitor what is watched in our home.

There is some stuff I've seen, no way, no how, will I allow children in my home to watch it.

And I really feel for parents struggling with the TV issue. Especially some of the cable channels (Nick, Disney, etc.). When I go on vacation or I am on business trips I'll often spend some time in my hotel room watching these cable channels courtesy of the hotel...oh my. Most of them are horrible, loaded with commercials. No way in good conscience could I allow children to watch these shows unattended.

 

[luvsJack]

As I have watched a day of Disney channel with dd, I thought about this thread.

She knows the right way to speak to adults and the correct way to behave. Because she has been taught these things, it makes no difference how London or Zach and Cody or Alex behave; she knows the difference in right and wrong. In the infamous words of Barney Fife, you just need to "nip it in the bud".

I agree with the poster who said its a cop out to blame tv. Sure, your kids may pick up an expression or phrase that is not appropriate from television; but they can pick the same thing up from school. Correct the problem and move on.

The behavior of kids, teens and young adults today are the fault of parents not the fault of tv, music or video games.

 

[BABY_EINSTEIN'S_MOM]

I agree with the previous poster...all of this can also be learned at school. My kids watch these shows, and are sassy at times...BUT my ds4 has become much more difficult since starting preschool. He has already seen/heard so much as far as backtalking /tantrums. It astonishes me that every morning when I drop him off there are already 2-3 kids in timeout crying and pouting! The day has not yet begun! He then tells me stories about things that the children do to get in trouble. Last week it was a child hitting the teacher with his backpack!

He brings home a report each day and everything has gone very well(no frownie faces yet..lol) ...but twice he has gotten a "he was a bit rowdy and talked too much today" written on his report. We have talks everyday about how he should act, so his behavior better never get worse than "a bit rowdy" or he will begin losing privileges!!