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No I did not. Your opinion is not fact. And you know darn well if she felt the person who felt that way was smart, then she would think a person who did not feel the same way would be the opposite. Stop trying to cause an argument. I have just as much right to my opinion as you do yours and it is ridiculous for you to try to browbeat me.

And? Because you agree with her it makes her statement true?:lmao: That is your opinion and I made mine. The fact that you agree with her does not invalidate my opinion. If the two of you do not like differing opinions and cannot read them without responding with derogatory and untrue statements. I suggest you stop participating in boards such as this. The only unnecessary comments where the ones that you and perla made, insulting me for making an opinion.

...& I suggest you take a deep breath & calm down-my goodness!
Is your username really "serene one"??? :scared:

Someone stated that the person in the OP's story was smart & from that, you decided that they must think you are stupid. Here's a hint: calling someone smart does not indicate that they think the rest of the world is stupid!!:idea:

Just keep saying this over & over in your head:

This is an opinionated message board-no one is out to get you (or your cardiologist, heart surgeon, neurosurgeon, fellow church members, etc...) :teacher:
 
And? Because you agree with her it makes her statement true?:lmao: That is your opinion and I made mine. The fact that you agree with her does not invalidate my opinion. If the two of you do not like differing opinions and cannot read them without responding with derogatory and untrue statements. I suggest you stop participating in boards such as this. The only unnecessary comments where the ones that you and perla made, insulting me for making an opinion.

Ok, I have to agree here-the only one doing the attacking here is you, SereneOne. There have been plenty of posters on here with various beliefs & opinions & so far, everyone has generally been nice and peaceful except for your unnecessary outbursts. :guilty: In the OP, I said that I said I welcomed all respectful opinions from any religious or non-religious background.

If you cannot remain respectful, than please take your drama to a different thread.

Everyone else-thank you for your variety of respectful thoughts & opinions so far!:goodvibes
 

What keeps you from making the wrong decisions that come into your head (voices) that states something is wrong if you don't think the devil or hell exists?

Conscience? Ethics? Good judgment? Empathy? Ability to foresee consequences?
 
Conscience? Ethics? Good judgment? Empathy? Ability to foresee consequences?

:thumbsup2

It's not a 'voice' coming into my head when I'm tempted to do the wrong thing, it's ME trying to weigh up the options in a situation.

You do the right thing because either it benefits you as an individual or because it doesn't give - normal, mentally healthy people - pleasure to see anyone else get hurt, or because society dictates that it is wrong, not some kind of little demon and angel sitting on either shoulder fighting it out about whether I should keep the $1 bill I found on the floor :rolleyes:
 
It concerns me that in enlightened times where we have the internet, satelites, placed a man on the moon, are close to mapping the entire human genome, understand the genetics of some cancers, can create beauty with digital media, can challenge assumptions and live in a country with free speech....................that we still hark back to the dark ages and the concepts of hell and the devil.

Hang on a minute whist I go and collect another crows feather for my talisman
 
Well Aard, it is like this...all sides are polarizing and then the bough will break. Now where the baby goes is the question.

And really, enlightenment? We have not reached that yet.
When I saw the Tibetan Monks protesting, all bets were off.

The need to crush your opposition is so great that it amounts to lying, twisting, torture, murder, suicide missions, war, etc.

The first step in this process is to embrace hatred and then build from there.

Which I believe is evil and why I cannot belong to organized religion anymore. All I see is hate. And if there is a God, that is not the path that I choose.

So in summary, go and collect that crows feather because we are going down the rabbit hole Alice.
 
It concerns me that in enlightened times where we have the internet, satelites, placed a man on the moon, are close to mapping the entire human genome, understand the genetics of some cancers, can create beauty with digital media, can challenge assumptions and live in a country with free speech....................that we still hark back to the dark ages and the concepts of hell and the devil.

Hang on a minute whist I go and collect another crows feather for my talisman

I couldn't agree more with this, given the times in which we live we should be past this. Unfortunately I have seen various polls that indicate that over 60% of Americans believe in the literal existence of the Devil and Hell..

Sam Harris talks about similar statistics during his speech at Idea City '05

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3YOIImOoYM
 
the irony of it all is amusing .... who's to say in 1000 years Scientology is accepted as much as Christianity?? Its basically the same principle, a religion is started based on an unproven set of fictional beings and characters. The difference being is what is promoted BY those fictional beings (God and Thetans etc) but the premise remains the same.

Both are based on as yet totally unproven mythical entities.

And I'm willing to bet my bottom dollar that most Christians dismiss Scientologists are barmy as hell.
What is the definition of barmy?? I couldn't care less what Scientologists believe, or anyone of any religion. All I need to believe in is my own beliefs. If someone disagrees with what I believe, then that's fine. They are entitled to their own.
 
To add on: don't get defensive for this. This is MY OPINION. I think people
get too defensive on religion and attempt to prove that their religion is right
and all others are wrong.

Just wanted to say, I do not agree with what you believe but would not get defensive (and hope the poster you were talking to would not either) about what you are saying because you seem to respect what others believe in your post.

Too many other posters insist on referring to Christian beliefs as "mythical" or refer to God as a mythical creature and tend to talk down to those who believe in God and in the Bible. And that does tend to get other's backs up.

As for what the man said to the child: IMHO, it seems as though the man is dismissing his son's question. I think if a child is questioning the belief in Satan and in hell (or in opposite in God and Heaven); a parent should help them look at information and form their own opinion. A child should at least be given information that can help them decide for themselves. So, I do not think he is a wise man at all--regardless of his personal belief. A wise man would have figured out why his child was asking this and how to help the child come to his own conclusion (not necessarily that of the parent).
 
I think the saying is "The greatest accomplishment of the Devil is convincing people he doesn't exist"

I've never heard that statement before and I don't understand it-why would that be an accomplishment? I would think it's quite the opposite?

It means that the Devil is Kaiser Sose, and that he dosn't exist in his victims minds, but he does exist.

simple!

RUM?
 
I copied this from my church's website. This is what I believe:

We believe in a literal Hell. We believe that hell is a real place, that it was prepared for the devil and his angels, and that all of those who die outside of the Lord Jesus Christ will spend eternity in hell. We believe that hell is a literal place of physical, mental, spiritual, and eternal suffering. We believe that every person will spend eternity either in heaven or in hell.
Luke 16:19-31 * Rev. 20:11-15 * Matt. 13:42 * Matt. 25:41 * Mark 9:43-46


We believe there is a devil called Satan. We believe that Satan is a real person; that he was created; and that he originally lived in heaven but was cast out of heaven when he rebelled against God. He is totally sinful, deceptive, and powerful. We believe that he is the leader of a vast host of evil spirits who seek to keep unsaved people lost, and to divide and deceive individual Christians. We believe that Christ defeated Satan at the cross and that the Christian has authority and power over him now, through the Lord Jesus Christ. We also believe that Satan will ultimately be cast into the lake of fire at the end of the age.
Isaiah 14:12-17 * Ezekiel 28:11-19 * Eph. 6:12 * Gen 3:11 * Cor. 11:14 * Revelation 12:11
 
A friend of mine was talking to his son today about the Devil & Hell (his son brought it up) & he said to his son:

"The only true way to get rid of the Devil & avoid going to hell is to simply not believe in it"

What do you think about this?

ALL respectful religious & non-religious opinions welcome!!

I'm not a religious person, but I think this was a cop-out/time reducer to what could have been a good conversation....
 
Depends who you are talking to. That would have been an invite to debate in my family.:rotfl:

LOL, possibly so, but at least it gives a kid who is asking a question which may be important to him different ways to look at things!!!


Heck, just invite him to the DIS and ask, he'll get plenty of heated opinions ;)
 
I think the dad was just passing on his beliefs to his son.

If this life is all there is and when we die it is all over than that is the reality of life and death. We all live, we all die. When it is over, it is over.

If there is a God of the Bible and there is a Heaven and also place of separation from God, then that is will everyone's *reality*. You're either a believer or you are not.

If there is a different god than the one of the Bible and Christians have it all wrong and didn't fulfill the requirement of the the correct religion (along w/ anyone else who didn't seek the truth), then so be it. Someone may have gotten it right---maybe a lot of someones depending on what was the right one and how many followers it had.

While I cannot grasp the concept of some souls living forever and some souls just dieing, maybe that could be right,who knows for 100% sure?

It all comes down to what the truth is (or will be when it happens to each of us upon our death) and we will not know w/o a doubt until it is too late. To say, well, it won't happen because your truth is not my truth probably will not matter in the end.
The truth IS, we just don't have any proof. The truth may be death, it is over, period.
Or the truth may be the way laid out in the Bible.
Or the truth may be some other religion.

No one comes back and tells us. And even if Jesus Christ did, there is not enough proof for people to easily accept it.

It all comes down to faith. Either you believe it or you don't--you're free to choose. That little boy will have lots of chances to look further for answers to his questions. If something tragic was to happen to him before he had the chance to look for himself and there is a God, I hope God will have mercy on that child. It seems to be a question we all tend to ask ourselves...is there some power greater than me? And we go from there.
Just my thoughts.
 
Many hear may know that I am a strong born-again Christian who, as a member of the minority, does NOT believe in hell.

Christ and the scriptures are very clear...

There is never any account of the creation of hell.
Very specific accounts of the creation of the heavens and the earth... but, no hell. And, in Relvelation, there is a new heaven and a new earth, but no hell.

Adam and Eve were told that if they broke away from (directly disobeyed) God, that 'they would surely die'...

Christ says very clearly that the gift of God is eternal life, and that the wages of sin is 'death'.

The scriptures say that it is not the will of God that any man should 'perish'. NOT, burn in hell forever... But 'perish', as in the grave... Cease to exist.

The very meaning of the word from which 'hell' is translated means 'the grave' and or perishing... ceasing to exist... from dust into dust...

Historically, Christians have not believed in 'hell' as one commonly knows it. It is a post-modern belief.

Sure, there are a few lines in the scriptures, visions, parables, etc... that are used by those who simply MUST believe in hell, so that they can try to stike fear into others, and have the mistaken 'obligation' to think that they can make the decision to judge others and determine that this person or that person will 'burn in hell'... How 'empowering' that must be.

This all goes back to original sin. We are NOT god... Eating from the tree of knowledge and thinking that WE know good from evil, and that WE can judge others is the root of original sin. Christ and the scriptures tell us that we can NOT know good from evil... That is determined by our God and Creator... "Even our righteousness are as filthy rags". "Lean not unto our own understandings". "Judge not lest ye be judged".


OKAY, all of that aside... Whomever made the quote that you are asking about is very very wrong... Ones personal belief does not dictate reality.

That is just wierd.


I would like to counter this post with this:


Does Hell Exist - What does the Old Testament say?
Does Hell exist? A proper biblical worldview includes a belief in a real, eternal, and physical hell. What do you believe?

It is very interesting to discover that there are more Bible verses about Hell than there are about Heaven. Here are a few verses in the Old Testament about Hell. Daniel 12:2 proclaims, "Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt." Hell is described here as everlasting. Isaiah 66:24 declares, "And they will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind." In this Scripture, hell is described as a place where the fire is not quenched. Deuteronomy 32:22 portrays hell as a place where God pours out His wrath, "For a fire is kindled in My anger, and shall burn to the lowest hell; It shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains." Psalms 55:15 illustrates hell as a realm of the wicked, "Let death seize them; Let them go down alive into hell, for wickedness is in their dwellings and among them."

Does Hell Exist - What does the New Testament say?
Does Hell Exist? If the clear teaching of the Old Testament is not enough, the New Testament has much to say as well. 2 Thessalonians 1:9 tells us, "These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power." Revelation 14:10-11, speaking of the antichrist, teaches us, "He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name." Hell is a lake of burning fire, as described in Revelation 20:14-15, "Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire."

Does Hell Exist - What did Jesus say?
Some who argue that hell does not exist do so on the basis of their belief that Jesus taught love, peace, and forgiveness - and that He did not teach about an eternal place of fiery punishment for non-believers. However, the exact opposite is true. Jesus taught more about hell than anyone else in the Word of God. Jesus described hell as an unquenchable fire (Matthew 3:12), a place of eternal fire, (Matthew 25:41) eternal punishment (Matthew 25:46), and as a place of torment, fire, and agony (Luke 16:23-24). Jesus taught specifically about hell many times in His ministry (Matthew 5:22, 29-30; 10:28; 18:9; 23:15,33; Mark 9:43-47; Luke 12:6; 16:23).

Does Hell Exist - How is an eternity in Hell fair?
If Hell does exist, how can it be fair? Why would a loving God punish a person for eternity, when their sins only took place for 70-80 years? The answer is that all sin is ultimately against God, who is infinite (Psalm 51:4). So, since God is an eternal and infinite Being, all sin is worthy of an infinite punishment.

Yes, God loves us (John 3:16) and wants all people to be saved (2 Peter 3:9). However, God is also just and righteous - He will not allow sin to go unpunished. That is why God sent Jesus to pay the price for our sins. Jesus Christ's death was an infinite death, paying our infinite sin debt - so that we would not have to pay it in Hell for eternity (2 Corinthians 5:21). All we have to do is put our faith in Him and we are forgiven and promised an eternal home in heaven. God loved us so much to provide for our salvation. If we reject His gift of eternal life through the Lord Jesus Christ, we will face the eternal consequences of that decision - an eternity in a fiery hell.


http://www.allaboutworldview.org/does-hell-exist.htm
 
...& I suggest you take a deep breath & calm down-my goodness!
Is your username really "serene one"??? :scared:

Someone stated that the person in the OP's story was smart & from that, you decided that they must think you are stupid. Here's a hint: calling someone smart does not indicate that they think the rest of the world is stupid!!:idea:

Just keep saying this over & over in your head:

This is an opinionated message board-no one is out to get you (or your cardiologist, heart surgeon, neurosurgeon, fellow church members, etc...) :teacher:


I suggest you take a deep breath and calm down and think about the fact that we have free speech in this country. I gave an OPINION, just like everyone else. Some did not like my opinion, not my problem. You and a couple others are the ones choosing to make mountains out of molehills out of an opinion. My name does not mean I am Serene, but I tell you what, I am way more serene than a couple of you that read a comment and start attacking someone. :sad2: Keep saying it in your head that other people have rights to opinions and just because it differs from yours, does not mean they think you or anyone else is "out to get them" Talk about reading into a post!:eek:
 
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