What do you think about the Early Morning Magic Fantasyland ?

[Huggups]

Here's how I, personally, "have a problem" with this. I have an ADR for BOG before opening on one of these days. My plan (which I also did just a few weeks ago in early March when I was there with friends and was scoping out the ride and strategy for my family trip) was to get in as soon as I could (we are early risers), eat my prepaid breakfast at BOG, and wait in line next to 7DMT. One of my boys is not a fan of rollercoasters but I thought he would like this one as it is very smooth and you feel very secure in those seats. I am also planning on getting FP+ for it as I have high hopes he will enjoy it so much he will want to ride it again. When the park opens at 9 am, my family will be in line and will be in the first wave of folks allowed to ride.

With EMM, I can still implement my same strategy, but now I will NOT be in the first wave to get on the ride. I'll have leftover people who are in the queue from EMM. Truly, I'm estimating this to be maybe 500 people. Based on someone else's post earlier, maybe that's a 20-25 minute wait. Not awful for this ride, but NOT what I was planning - certainly not what I thought when I made my ADR months ago. And it sets us back from going through the rest of the park.

So, yes, I'm annoyed. Very annoyed. Will Disney care about how this one family has been affected? Nope. Do YOU care? Nope. But I DO have a problem with this because I planned, according to Disney's rules, and then they went and changed the rules on me. Fortunately, I am still outside of my FP+ window so, theoretically, there's still time to move my plans around (though a PPO ADR at BOG is NOT available on other days during my trip right now). But that's certainly not the case for everyone who's affected by this that are traveling in April and May.


If these really are selling out, my only hope is that they have kept the cap very low. But I highly doubt that - this still needs to be a profitable venture for Disney to do this. They are not offering this out of pure generosity.

 

[beesly]

Here's how I, personally, "have a problem" with this. I have an ADR for BOG before opening on one of these days. My plan (which I also did just a few weeks ago in early March when I was there with friends and was scoping out the ride and strategy for my family trip) was to get in as soon as I could (we are early risers), eat my prepaid breakfast at BOG, and wait in line next to 7DMT. One of my boys is not a fan of rollercoasters but I thought he would like this one as it is very smooth and you feel very secure in those seats. I am also planning on getting FP+ for it as I have high hopes he will enjoy it so much he will want to ride it again. When the park opens at 9 am, my family will be in line and will be in the first wave of folks allowed to ride.

With EMM, I can still implement my same strategy, but now I will NOT be in the first wave to get on the ride. I'll have leftover people who are in the queue from EMM. Truly, I'm estimating this to be maybe 500 people. Based on someone else's post earlier, maybe that's a 20-25 minute wait. Not awful for this ride, but NOT what I was planning - certainly not what I thought when I made my ADR months ago. And it sets us back from going through the rest of the park.

So, yes, I'm annoyed. Very annoyed. Will Disney care about how this one family has been affected? Nope. Do YOU care? Nope. But I DO have a problem with this because I planned, according to Disney's rules, and then they went and changed the rules on me. Fortunately, I am still outside of my FP+ window so, theoretically, there's still time to move my plans around (though a PPO ADR at BOG is NOT available on other days during my trip right now). But that's certainly not the case for everyone who's affected by this that are traveling in April and May.


If these really are selling out, my only hope is that they have kept the cap very low. But I highly doubt that - this still needs to be a profitable venture for Disney to do this. They are not offering this out of pure generosity.

Actually, you planned to take advantage of a perk that is guaranteed nowhere by Disney but has been reported here as a general "standard operating procedure." Disney just closed the loophole before you got to take advantage of it. The same thing happened to me, and it stinks, but I acknowledge that they never guaranteed me an early ride on 7DMT with my PPO BOG ADR. I just assumed it'd be available when I made the ADR. Now I, too, will be trying to hop in the standby queue after my ADR in hopes of a short line.

 

[Hikergirl]

This will be a killer for rope droppers. For example, on 5/3 when we are attending EMM, they serve the breakfast until 10. We didn't plan on eating until 9:30, so we could hit all the other attractions in Fantasyland when the park opens at 9. Even if there are 1,500 EMM'ers in the park at rope drop, most of them will be riding attractions at park open. 7DMT will be a standby nightmare for rope drop people, but that's the way WDW is going to run this going forward. I foresee EMM in Tomorrowland and Frontierland as well.

I do feel sorry for BOG breakfast people on those dates, though. They planned on getting on attractions before park open and they will get shafted.

They were going in expecting something that wasn't "owed" to them or a guarantee. They aren't getting shafted they just aren't getting any pixie dust.

 

[Toad_Passenger]

Sadly one of my MK days is sold out, June 21. Ugh I was really hoping people wouldn't pay for this..... Now I'll have to take a look at my touring strategy. I don't understand why people would pay so much money for this....

Because "so much money" is vastly different from person-to-person and family-to-family.

If people don't find it to be of personal value to them, than they won't do it. If people cannot afford to do it, than they shouldn't do it. If none of that applies and they want to do it, than they will.

The bottom line is that for all of the trips I've taken there are 100,000's of people (probably more) who get to do things that I don't get to do. Longer stays, behind-the-scenes tours, special meet & greets, trips during special events, and so on... I don't begrudge them for spending their money on those things, or claim they are foolish with their money (because frankly they may be rich enough and it's all just a drop in the bucket). I also don't begrudge Disney for offering things for all the different varieties of people/families out there.

It all just comes off as selfish when people say, "I wish people wouldn't do <this or that> because I don't like it, and then they will stop offering it." In the end it almost sounds like some are saying, "my plans are more important than the plans of that other person."

 

[HeyIt'sMe]

I'll be very interested in hearing reports back from people who attend EMM.

Our trip isn't until August and we have a PPO ADR at BOG on Tuesday, August 16. If there is EMM on that day, and the reports have been favorable, we'll probably cancel BOG and book EMM. I like the idea of getting into the park early, being able to book FP+ for rides other than SDMT and PP, and having breakfast. For our family I think it's worth the cost.

 

[jknc]

Clearly the very unscientific poll on this thread showing 86% believe this to be a bad value does not correlate with the masses if several dates are already sold out.

My best.

 

[seashell2828]

Just wonder what everyone thinks of the Early Morning Magic at Fantasyland.
https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/dining/early-morning-magic/

We feel like we pay so much for the park tickets as it is and to stay on property to have the "extra magic hours." I think it is enough already but it's just another way Disney can make money! This could have been done so many different ways but to me it's just another "Disney is great but you have to pay more more more." situation. Dessert parties, Christmas and Halloween ticketed events etc etc. They know how to bleed you dry that is for sure. That is how I feel.

 

[Tiggerette]

Actually, you planned to take advantage of a perk that is guaranteed nowhere by Disney but has been reported here as a general "standard operating procedure." Disney just closed the loophole before you got to take advantage of it. The same thing happened to me, and it stinks, but I acknowledge that they never guaranteed me an early ride on 7DMT with my PPO BOG ADR. I just assumed it'd be available when I made the ADR. Now I, too, will be trying to hop in the standby queue after my ADR in hopes of a short line.

My reading of the post was that instead of having only ADR people in front of their family by standing in line prior to the rope drop folks, they now have 200-500ish additional special ticket people as well as the usual BoG, CP and CT ADR folks standing in line prior to the rope drop folks. I didn't read anything about getting on the ride prior to 9am. I read it as simply being in line ahead of rope drop crowd at 9am; though perhaps it was a singular understanding of the post.

I'm also in the same position for our BoG reservations, and it does impact my plans to consider contending with an additional 200-500 ADRs in addition to the usual pre-opening ADRs. For me, I've found enough "data" to reasonably expect a particular wait time prior to the 9am opening of the ride. By adding another type of ADR through this special ticket, I don't know how many more people are being added, nor if there would be any measurable impact to the wait times by the additional crowd prior to rope drop. It's going to take time to see if the special ticket ADR (Pinocchio breakfast ADR?) folks would even stick around after 9am. It's possible it could be a non-issue if the majority then go for their Pinocchio buffet at 9am. It's too early to have any experience or "data" to ascertain either way.

Respectfully, Tigger-ette.

 

[ChloesDaddy]

I'm
Waiting to hear the first melt downs when guests show up to find that 7dmt is down for technical difficulties and they're all given a FP to come back later.
My prediction is that this event will be unpopular and will be gone by the end of summer

Even worse would be to get stuck on a broken down monorail on the way there. I recognize this is a low probability event, but it is one that would have a huge impact when it happens.

 

[thornton0511]

I have both our MK days on Saturday and Tuesday I have no idea what to do now so it is more like giving me a headache

Thankfully I was able to tweak our plans with dining and FP and still make it work. I know it may not matter much with these few thousand people already in the park, but no one knows exactly how this is going to play out and we all know that Disney has not been so forth coming with all info and details. It may not end up being a big deal at all, but I am not going to assume anything anymore and take that chance. So we are going on a normal day that, so far, does not have any "extras" added in at all.

 

[beesly]

My reading of the post was that instead of having only ADR people in front of their family by standing in line prior to the rope drop folks, they now have 200-500ish additional special ticket people as well as the usual BoG, CP and CT ADR folks standing in line prior to the rope drop folks. I didn't read anything about getting on the ride prior to 9am. I read it as simply being in line ahead of rope drop crowd at 9am; though perhaps it was a singular understanding of the post.

I'm also in the same position for our BoG reservations, and it does impact my plans to consider contending with an additional 200-500 ADRs in addition to the usual pre-opening ADRs. For me, I've found enough "data" to reasonably expect a particular wait time prior to the 9am opening of the ride. By adding another type of ADR through this special ticket, I don't know how many more people are being added, nor if there would be any measurable impact to the wait times by the additional crowd prior to rope drop. It's going to take time to see if the special ticket ADR (Pinocchio breakfast ADR?) folks would even stick around after 9am. It's possible it could be a non-issue if the majority then go for their Pinocchio buffet at 9am. It's too early to have any experience or "data" to ascertain either way.

Respectfully, Tigger-ette.

That's fair. Re-reading the post, I can see that. And, like you said, it remains to be seen what the impact will actually be. If they let EMM people go through the FP+ queue (just a what-if - I don't know how they will actually operate) then a person leaving a PPO BOG ADR who can start standing in the standby queue could still potentially be AHEAD of the EMM folks in the standby queue once their access to the FP line ends at 9:00. That's why I'm keeping my BOG ADR. If there's no standby line advantage, I will move on to another attraction and return to 7DMT later with my FP.

 

[cdnjason]

Clearly the very unscientific poll on this thread showing 86% believe this to be a bad value does not correlate with the masses if several dates are already sold out.

My best.

This is very true. The average DISer is way more informed and organized than the average WDW visitor. I believe that explains the discrepancy.

 

[Mikie]

They should allow them to have a lunch with an option of several different places after the morning event so they would not be rushed.

I'm unlikely to ever be interested in this, but there's an idea that changes my perceived value - a meal voucher! Since this isn't a gourmet meal, or a character experience, the whole value (to me) is in exclusivity and ride advantage. BUT no matter when I eat breakfast in EMM, it cuts into my advantage: eat before 9? Squandering my exclusivity. Eat between 9-10? Squandering early park hours I could had gotten free just by walking in at RD. Getting a voucher to eat a CS meal any time I'm ready? Maybe that's the flexibility I'd need to see more value in this.

Is this really that bad for 9am rope droppers? Won't most of the EMM people be at PVH around 9 or just after getting their breakfast if it is only being served until 10? Shouldn't be too bad at BTMRR and Splash M at 9 for rope droppers. Am I missing something?

I don't *know* what the traffic flow would be around this event, but the "what-if" scenarios I'd have to be playing out if I'm a regular RD person on this morning are:
- I'm using RD to hit 7 dwarfs or PP - EMM have beaten me there and I don't have the short line I anticipated
- I'm using RD strictly as crowd avoidance (this is me) I head to Adventureland while the RD masses swarm to FL. What if the EEM folks are done with FL and are now filling my (previously empty) adventureland? It would be a much smaller scale, but similar to arriving at regular opening on an EMH day.

 

[Praying Colonel]

I have to replan our days for our June trip. Thankfully, I "only" have to plan around morning EMH, evening EMH and Morning Money Hours--they haven't announced Evening Money Hours yet at MK. So there are a couple of days that I can find that week. But once they announce the dates for the evening $ event I think finding more than 1 day/week at MK that's not gummed up by some event will be difficult, if not impossible.

 

[dlavender]

I'm looking through on the website, and it seems all dates are sold out.

Can't be...

 

[PaulChrestman]

I just called. It's all sold out. I wonder how many tickets are sold. How limited is limited?

 

[CarolinaDD1997]

So we're going to be there first saturday in August. Does anyone have any info if these EMM will be Around by August?
And, if so, if we go at 9 am, is there still gonna be a Welcome show??

 

[kaytieeldr]

We feel like we pay so much for the park tickets as it is and to stay on property to have the "extra magic hours." I think it is enough already but it's just another way Disney can make money! This could have been done so many different ways but to me it's just another "Disney is great but you have to pay more more more." situation. Dessert parties, Christmas and Halloween ticketed events etc etc. They know how to bleed you dry that is for sure. That is how I feel.

Respectfully, I don't understand why people in general are so irritated or resentful or up in arms about Disney as a publicly traded company making more money

 

[Vernie822]

I can see how this would be appealing to a family who is making a once in a lifetime or once in a few years trip. Riding 7DMT and Peter Pan a few times in a row before park opening may be a big deal to them. And $69 x however many people in their party may be something they are happy to pay or are comfortable paying.

I see no problem with Disney charging extra for these events. It's not like the park is open from 7:45-9 anyways, other than for PPO breakfasts and those people are eating and not riding.

It's all perceived value, IMO. I visit Disney a few times a year. I've been on 7DMT and PP usually once or twice a trip. I personally see no value, and I would rather spend $69 on a nice dinner somewhere.

 

[Dallas_Lady]

an early ride on 7DMT with my PPO BOG ADR.

Completely OT, but only on the Disboards does a sentence with this many acronyms make perfect sense