What do you think about the Early Morning Magic Fantasyland ?

[kaytieeldr]

Ive P.T. Barnum said this before there is a sucker born every minute. Some of the folks who partake may not realize if they simply show up at RD they can do those 3 rides in the same 90 minute time frame and keep the money in their own pockets.

Fixed it for you

 

[cdnjason]

I stated on a different thread, I think EMM will be a flop. It costs a family of four $256 dollars for a couple rides and measly breakfast. Sure, some will pay anything. But, for most that is terrible value.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Someone may have already mentioned this, but as people who rely exclusively on the Disney buses during their trips (which we strangely love, generally speaking), I don't know if I'd be relying on them to go to this event - very short window of protected times on rides - would hate to be late!

Buses start running about 6:30, EMM guests will be allowed in the park at 7:45. Shouldn't be an issue.

 

[kaytieeldr]

They should allow them to have a lunch with an option of several different places after the morning event so they would not be rushed.

But aren't all the restaurants open for lunch, while Pinnocchio's Village Haus isn't open for breakfast?

 

[ChloesDaddy]

Is this really that bad for 9am rope droppers? Won't most of the EMM people be at PVH around 9 or just after getting their breakfast if it is only being served until 10? Shouldn't be too bad at BTMRR and Splash M at 9 for rope droppers. Am I missing something?

Even if they're not eating breakfast by then, I don't expect it to be that bad. If they book enough slots to choke the lines at those attractions there will be a lot of people that paid for the privilege that won't be happy. At rope drop the experience of the last EMM guest will be essentially the same as the first rope drop guest. The number of slots allowed has to balance the experience of the guests who participate in EMM with the ability to cover the incremental cost and earn a profit.

 

[Rivergirl2005]

Sadly one of my MK days is sold out, June 21. Ugh I was really hoping people wouldn't pay for this..... Now I'll have to take a look at my touring strategy. I don't understand why people would pay so much money for this....

 

[Jennygt]

This would not be something I would pay for. The value for 3 rides is just not there for my family.

 

[keepswimming76]

Sadly one of my MK days is sold out, June 21. Ugh I was really hoping people wouldn't pay for this..... Now I'll have to take a look at my touring strategy. I don't understand why people would pay so much money for this....

Same story. Two of our MK mornings during our May trip (which we have pre-park open ADRs) are already sold out. I'm going to have to look at our strategy. We typically use those mornings to hit Fantasyland hard between 9-10. There's also an evening event on one of our MK nights. Between the cancellation of SWW, and delays with Frozen and ROL this trip has been stressful to plan. And every day it's something new!

I actually think this isn't a bad strategy for Disney. It gives non-resort guests an opportunity to enjoy some perks. While at a price, it's not as expensive as staying on property.

 

[mmccutche]

Our MK kickoff with a CRT breakfast at 8:20 (and supposedly quiet park for pictures) now appears to be an EMM day. How does this change with EMM impact early breakfast reservations like CRT?

Sorry if this may have been asked before, but I haven't had the opportunity to read the whole thread...

 

[CRSNDSNY]

Geesh! April is already sold out.

 

[Mom2J&J]

Sold out for 5/31. My touring plan is so screwed up.

1. Should I keep the 8:30 ADR at BOG? Will they let us through the turnstiles at 7:45 as they have been?

2. Once we're out of BOG, will we still get ahead of rope droppers?

3. Will this turn touring plans upside down, rendering my *just* booked FP+ meaningless?

Sorry for the questions and frustration, but I have worked so hard to plan this trip to make it a little easier on our family of 5 and all these last minute changes are making me crazy. I do not feel magical!

 

[LindaOwl1]

I'm
Waiting to hear the first melt downs when guests show up to find that 7dmt is down for technical difficulties and they're all given a FP to come back later.
My prediction is that this event will be unpopular and will be gone by the end of summer

Good point!

Did anyone notice that they are ALL sold out this morning??? Is this just a glitch or are the actually all gone already??

 

[Mrs~Incredible]

Good point!

Did anyone notice that they are ALL sold out this morning??? Is this just a glitch or are the actually all gone already??

Glitch. Looks like only one date in the 3 months is sold out

eTa: I think the first date is the sold out one- wondering if it is mostly bloggers/media

Eta: crap. I messed up. Did not search correctly. I think a few are sold out but my phone is being wonky

I don't get it

 

[TheFloatingBear]

Buses start running about 6:30, EMM guests will be allowed in the park at 7:45. Shouldn't be an issue.

Shouldn't be an issue, but I've definitely been at the bus stop well past 6:30 waiting for that bus, so just saying something to consider...

 

[CandleontheWater]

This is bad for RD people, no matter which rides you are planning on hitting up first. The reason RD is a good strategy is because there are physically less people in lines early in the morning because people don't tend to get up early on vacation. If you add a carrot (and a carrot that you paid for), you are enticing more people into the park in the early morning hours. Sure some of those people would have been there early anyway, but you also will have people who never would get there for RD, who will pay for up for EMM because of its "exclusivity".

These EMM people might not be in line for Pan or MT right at nine, but they will be in line for IASM at 9:10 and Barnstormer at 9:20, and dumbo at 9:30, and all those extra bodies will mean longer waits for everyone.

You can see this play out with FP+, now that people have an actual "reservation" they are much more motivated to get to the parks to make their 9 am FP slot, which is why RD as a strategy has been diminished. EMM will just continue to diminish RD as a strategy to beat the crowds, because the crowds will already begin to build before you even get there.

 

[BudgieMama]

These EMM people might not be in line for Pan or MT right at nine, but they will be in line for IASM at 9:10 and Barnstormer at 9:20, and dumbo at 9:30, and all those extra bodies will mean longer waits for everyone.

If they're planning on skipping the breakfast that is included. If I was paying $69 for that, I wouldn't be skipping my breakfast!

 

[jbish]

I don't understand why people who make ADRs to get into the park early have a problem with someone else essentially doing the same thing by booking this reservation? If someone is willing to pay to get in the park early, then power to them.

Here's how I, personally, "have a problem" with this. I have an ADR for BOG before opening on one of these days. My plan (which I also did just a few weeks ago in early March when I was there with friends and was scoping out the ride and strategy for my family trip) was to get in as soon as I could (we are early risers), eat my prepaid breakfast at BOG, and wait in line next to 7DMT. One of my boys is not a fan of rollercoasters but I thought he would like this one as it is very smooth and you feel very secure in those seats. I am also planning on getting FP+ for it as I have high hopes he will enjoy it so much he will want to ride it again. When the park opens at 9 am, my family will be in line and will be in the first wave of folks allowed to ride.

With EMM, I can still implement my same strategy, but now I will NOT be in the first wave to get on the ride. I'll have leftover people who are in the queue from EMM. Truly, I'm estimating this to be maybe 500 people. Based on someone else's post earlier, maybe that's a 20-25 minute wait. Not awful for this ride, but NOT what I was planning - certainly not what I thought when I made my ADR months ago. And it sets us back from going through the rest of the park.

So, yes, I'm annoyed. Very annoyed. Will Disney care about how this one family has been affected? Nope. Do YOU care? Nope. But I DO have a problem with this because I planned, according to Disney's rules, and then they went and changed the rules on me. Fortunately, I am still outside of my FP+ window so, theoretically, there's still time to move my plans around (though a PPO ADR at BOG is NOT available on other days during my trip right now). But that's certainly not the case for everyone who's affected by this that are traveling in April and May.

Sadly one of my MK days is sold out, June 21. Ugh I was really hoping people wouldn't pay for this..... Now I'll have to take a look at my touring strategy. I don't understand why people would pay so much money for this....

If these really are selling out, my only hope is that they have kept the cap very low. But I highly doubt that - this still needs to be a profitable venture for Disney to do this. They are not offering this out of pure generosity.

 

[CandleontheWater]

If they're planning on skipping the breakfast that is included. If I was paying $69 for that, I wouldn't be skipping my breakfast!

The event runs until 10, if they are smart they'll be eating starting at 9:45. You know Disney isn't going to kick them out right at 10, as long as they have their food, they'll be fine.

 

[jbish]

Its only for one land. Limited expense. The entire park is open by 8:00 often in peak times. This way they only staff a small section until 9:00. They could be saving a lot of money besides collecting an additional $5,000,000 or more if they do more times a week and the number swells to a 1000 people.

I really struggle to see how they allow up to 1,000 people for this event. Pinocchio's capacity, supposedly, is 400. If they sold 1,000 tickets, they really risk having a good portion of the paying guests not having access to their breakfast if, for example, even half of them decided to wait to cash in their breakfast for the end of the event. Also, if you have 1,000 people there, and the majority head to 7DMT, let's say 60%, you have 600 people instantly queued up in line, causing quite a wait for the people at the back of the line (maybe 30 minutes). That's not what they paid for. I'd be really upset if that were me. And if you have another 100 people queue up for PP (only 10% of the hypothetical customer base), I think that causes quite a delay, too, given how slow that loads. I don't know what the actual loading time is.

Also, they aren't "saving" any money by only staffing one small land - they are opening this land when it would have ordinarily been closed (meaning, this is not "in lieu" of opening up the entire park at 8 am). So staffing this is incremental to daily operating costs, covered by the revenue generated by the tickets purchased. Thus creating the profit line. So, yes, I agree that the more times they do it, and the more people they let in, the more profit they make annually. But I think there's a critical number that allows for both the short lines they're selling and making enough profit to justify its existence. My conclusion is 750.

 

[RaginforDisneyRoy]

This will be a killer for rope droppers. For example, on 5/3 when we are attending EMM, they serve the breakfast until 10. We didn't plan on eating until 9:30, so we could hit all the other attractions in Fantasyland when the park opens at 9. Even if there are 1,500 EMM'ers in the park at rope drop, most of them will be riding attractions at park open. 7DMT will be a standby nightmare for rope drop people, but that's the way WDW is going to run this going forward. I foresee EMM in Tomorrowland and Frontierland as well.

I do feel sorry for BOG breakfast people on those dates, though. They planned on getting on attractions before park open and they will get shafted.