What about those of us who DO like disagreement?

[Sharon A.]

I don't mean that I like to see people get their feelings hurt nor am I condoning cruelness, but I LIKE to hear viewpoints that are different than my own. And I don't want anyone to feel like they have to tiptoe around my feelings either.

So am I supposed to change because other people are afraid of (or just don't like) heated discussions? I think they're a good way to learn new things and maybe that comes from my family where everyone disagrees loudly, but still loves each other at the end of the day. Who's to say one way is more right than another?

 

[EROS]

SHARON, it's hard to have a "DISNEY DAY" when people vehemently disagree .

Don't forget the CB motto,

"YOU GO ALONG........TO GET ALONG"

 

[iluvorlando]

Why not take it to the debate board?

 

[fklhou]

Come to the DB. We are not as bad as people make out here on the CB.

 

[Patrick IL.]

I believe viewpoints can be shared in a respectful manner without sarcasim I also enjoy other viewpoints, I try to treat others as I would like to be treated. If we disagree, its fine, but done with respect in both directions.

 

[Lucky4me]

We don't have the benefit of body language, tone of voice, facial expressions, etc. and statements online sound more harsh than they do in RL, especially when you are voicing a difference of opinion.

That's why I like the DB, a place where you can disagree and not tiptoe around anyone.

 

[minniepumpernickel]

I don't like to hurt peoples feelings, but is sarcasm really all that bad? It is considered a literary tool. Where would JD Salinger have been without sarcasm?

 

[CookieGVB]

Just because someone doesn't agree with something you've said, it does not necessarily make it a debate. If you ask for opinions on a subject, don't be so surprised when not everyone agrees with you. Not everyone here is going to agree on everything - people need to accept that and move on.

There's much to be said for HOW you say something, but what I saw was an opinion offered that raised some hackles because of the emotion attached to the subject. I didn't see anything wrong with what was being said originally, but the discussion just disintegrated because of the strong emotions some people had towards the subject. I find myself avoiding issues that evoke a strong emotional reaction from me - I don't need to get all cheesed off at someone who doesn't understand my fears, etc.

And sarcasm is not limited to us mere posters - we have mods who are well-versed in using that very same tool. I don't think that's a bad thing, either - since I'm sarcastic as hell myself most of the time!

 

[Saffron]

I don't know of any posters on the CB that feel that everyone should agree all the time or with everything that's posted. If you read the threads, posters are saying just the opposite. Posters are stating that they welcome opposing points of view and they like to read opposing points of view. What posters are also saying is that we can disagree without making it personal by name calling, labeling, being sarcastic, disrespectful, hurtful, mean spirited, nasty etc ... That's what I've been reading on the CB today. Not that everyone should agree all the time.

 

[SPAGo 98]

Originally posted by Saffron
I don't know of any posters on the CB that feel that everyone should agree all the time or with everything that's posted. If you read the threads, posters are saying just the opposite. Posters are stating that they welcome opposing points of view and they like to read opposing points of view.

actually, i've seen MANY threads started with the question "What do you think of..." or some other question soliciting an opinion, but when people post opposing viewpoints, the OP throws a hissyfit.

 

[SonjaB]

For Sharon:

I disagree with all of you, even the ones I agree with

 

[Saffron]

Cookie and minniepumperncikel, I agree with you both. You both crack me up, as does as a certain mod who can be a little sarcastic at times. I think some sarcasm is meant to be funny, while other sarcasm is meant to hurt. It depends on what is being said and how it's being said.

Remember the post that WillyJ made about not trying to get around the filters on the board by posting a word with half letters and half asteriks, or something like that. Cookie posted something like: "Oh ****! Thanks for the reminder!" ROTFLOL! That was sarcastic, but that was funny! She wasn't trying to intentionally hurt anyone, just having fun.

It all just depends on what is being said and how it
s being said.

 

[Saffron]

SPAGo - I really haven't seen that. Have the posters thrown a hissy fit over other people posting opposing points of view or because of the way things were stated when they posted opposing points of views? Now that, I've seen.

 

[Goofyposter]

Groosch! I think Saffron's right.

It's OK to disagree...if it can be done NICELY towards others....if it Kant...it belongs on the Debate board...IMHO.

 

[Princess_Aurora]

I like reading heated debates...I'm just one of the Clueless DISers that never gets a chance to catch any of them around here. But I also like hearing opposing viewpoints from different people and all

 

[glo]

I think that without the opposing views, we would have one heck of a boring board. This board is about community, and a community has plenty of disagreement. I agree that I prefer to read the different views that are offered here. I have never changed my mind because of something here, but I have learned alot from others ideas and views. It isn't the point of views that are in question, but how they are presented. There is no need to deliver your message by belittling, insulting, or hurting others. You can state your view without being condescending or sarcastic. If you do not want someone to say that to you or someone you care about, then don't post it. JMHO

 

[DopeyRN]

I do not believe anyone said you cannot disagree with others. Just do not attack, put down, ridicule or lump people into a group when you do disagree.

 

[SPAGo 98]

Originally posted by Saffron
SPAGo - I really haven't seen that. Have the posters thrown a hissy fit over other people posting opposing points of view or because of the way things were stated when they posted opposing points of views? Now that, I've seen.

IMO (and mine only, since i can't know the poster's thoughts), it was a combination of the fact that people disagreed with them, and who the dissenting party was.

 

[Dan Murphy]

....but I LIKE to hear viewpoints that are different than my own. And I don't want anyone to feel like they have to tiptoe around my feelings either.

So am I supposed to change because other people are afraid of (or just don't like) heated discussions? I think they're a good way to learn new things and maybe that comes from my family where everyone disagrees loudly, but still loves each other at the end of the day....

I do think that is what Pete has the Debate Board here on the DIS for. That seems to be a good description of it.

I think looking for different opinions and thoughts is fine here on the CB, certainly there are many threads and posts like that. I do think that the CB, with fully 40% of the total posts of the entire DIS boards, gets its share of viewpoints. I think also, that one who is looking for more serious disagreements will find many willing and able to take up the challenge on the Debate Board.

I think there are some who may be scared to carry their controversey and disagreements to the DB, where I think they may feel not up to the challenge of some finely honed debaters. Instead, they try to ply their trade on the CB, which has as its charter......a discussion forum for any topic, Disney or otherwise. Swap stories, information, ask questions...just be friendly . I guess a poster may take the any topic wording to heart, rather than the spirit, and attempt to inject the CB with debate and controversey, but I seriously do believe that is why Pete has the Debate Board, as well as the Community Board, and just not the Community Board as a catch all.

And all of that is JMO, which some days is not worth too much.

 

[Teejay32]

I agree with Saffron.

I also think if a bit of compromise can be managed it doesn't have to be a problem. The DB is there for people who will argue about anything, from politics to buffet food, and enjoy it. To balance that the IB could be a conflict-free zone, support only, no arguing. The CB can go right on being itself, which is mostly determined by who's here at the time anyway, so you never know what you're going to find.

It's sad both to see the IB underutilized and that a lot of people are unhappy with the level of animosity on the CB (from whatever side you're on.) I haven't seen the high animosity, but I think it's a combination of (a)some people being very sensitive to conflict and (b)some people not sensitive enough to conflict. (Which might include me by now.) I've seen "personal attacks" that really aren't, and I've also seen personal attacks that bounced right off people and turned into hilarious threads. All of these people deserve to be 'comfortable' here IMO, there's no reason we can't do that or that we have to have battles between two (IMO imaginary) groups of posters, 'good' and 'bad.'

JMHO, FWIW, YMMV. I've been impressed as anything by people here for doing whatever it is they do, we don't need labels and we don't need to toughen up people who aren't tough. Take the good from everyone and put it to good use....I think that's the best way.

I'm off, going shopping. Goodnight all.