Do you believe misogyny exists and people should be protected from misogyny?

Do you believe misogyny exists and people should be protected from misogyny?

  • Yes, I believe misogyny exists and I believe people should be protected from misogyny

    Votes: 72 84.7%
  • No, I do not believe misogyny exists

    Votes: 3 3.5%
  • No, I do not believe people should be protected from misogyny

    Votes: 3 3.5%
  • other

    Votes: 7 8.2%

  • Total voters
    85
Yup, I stopped playing my favorite game for awhile because of the absolute toxicity of the "men" telling me that they were going to find and rape me, that I shouldn't be allowed to play video games, etc. (I guess they were mad they got beaten by a woman). Then I joined a clan where you had to be over 30 and OMG what a difference, brought joy back to gaming for me. I can't believe that this nonsense is still going on, I've been gaming for over 40 years and it's disgusting to still put up with this crap.
Yeah I've been called every derogatory name for women by 10 year old boys who should be doing their math homework rather than screaming at women in a video game. I joined a server where you have to be an adult woman and it's really great to play with people where you're guaranteed not to be called slurs every other game. I've also been playing more single player stuff nowadays because people suck but whenever I hop onto the one online game I still play I have to hope that I'm getting normal teammates.
 
Depression is a possible side effect of the one I take.

Other Side Effects​

  • Spotty darkening of skin
  • Having trouble wearing contact lenses
  • Change in sex drive
  • Acne
  • Change in appetite
  • Higher blood pressure
  • Depression
  • Yeast infection
Along with all of this:

Serious Side Effects​

Contact your healthcare provider immediately if you experience any of the following.
  • Heart attack: chest pain, stomach discomfort, sweating, nausea, dizziness
  • Stroke: sudden numbness or weakness in one arm or leg, numbness or weakness on one side of the face, severe headache, confusion, trouble seeing, trouble walking
  • Deep vein thrombosis (blood clot in the leg): leg cramp, swelling, or pain; muscle tightness
  • Pulmonary embolism (blood clot in the lung): cough, chest pain, trouble breathing, racing heart
  • Serious liver problems: yellowing of the skin or the whites of the eyes, tiredness, stomach pain
Ok so if you're still taking it, I would assume you tried it and are not actually having that side effect, correct? I would also assume if you did have any side effects that you weren’t able to tolerate, you would discontinue the drug and ask your doctor for some alternative. This would apply for any medication, not just one marketed to women.

What is the prevalence of depression with it? 10%, 50%, 80%?
I’d like to think that if huge numbers of women couldn’t tolerate it because it’s causing depression. the FDA would pull it off the market.

I still don’t view any of this as men doing all of this to intentionally be malicious or uncaring to women. It’s just not in my mindset.
 
Yup, I see this firsthand in my friend group. They're choosing to stay single instead of even bothering with dating for a variety of reasons. And my friends that are in relationships have partners who do absolutely NOTHING in the household and I'm not exaggerating. My one friend who is married with 2 kids has a husband who would not know what to do with the kids if she was not around.
The main problem I see in the world today is that young men are constantly being told they are worthless, of no use, and women can get by just fine without them. So that is exactly what they become - worthless losers.

The huge push for equality for girls has turned poisonous. It has turned in to "It is not enough to have our young women succeed and thrive, the young men must also fail".
 
The main problem I see in the world today is that young men are constantly being told they are worthless, of no use, and women can get by just fine without them. So that is exactly what they become - worthless losers.

The huge push for equality for girls has turned poisonous. It has turned in to "It is not enough to have our young women succeed and thrive, the young men must also fail".
There is a lot I could say here but I'm going to refrain.....it's the reason why I didn't join the controversial board.
 

The main problem I see in the world today is that young men are constantly being told they are worthless, of no use, and women can get by just fine without them. So that is exactly what they become - worthless losers.

The huge push for equality for girls has turned poisonous. It has turned in to "It is not enough to have our young women succeed and thrive, the young men must also fail".

Women CAN get by just fine without men though. That's just a fact.

Women are also allowed to have standards and not settle for companionship with a horrible type of partner.
 
Women CAN get by just fine without men though. That's just a fact.

Actually, that isn't true. At some point it might be, but right now it isn't.

For example, if the power grid dropped out in California right now, and all the men in the world disappeared at the same time, power would never be restored. It is not that women aren't capable of doing the job, it is just that there are not near enough women trained to do it.

It is the same in transportation, shipping, construction and the rest of the trades. Women could of course do the jobs, but right now there are not enough capable women in those industries to support the rest of society if there were no men.
 
Really?
I think the opposite is true. I find more young men are being raised to be respectful partners.

Same. There's always going to be outliers that are just the worst, but at least in my circles my friends who have sons are raising them to be thoughtful and polite. The fact that consent has become mainstream is pretty huge.

I find it laughable when people say that men are being put down. It's more like men had all the pie and now women get a slice too and some of them are just so completely put out by that. If they can't have all the pie the pie is not worth having, or something.
 
The main problem I see in the world today is that young men are constantly being told they are worthless, of no use, and women can get by just fine without them. So that is exactly what they become - worthless losers.

The huge push for equality for girls has turned poisonous. It has turned in to "It is not enough to have our young women succeed and thrive, the young men must also fail".
I am not sure I am understanding you correctly so please explain further. Is your argument to not push for equality of young women because some people use it as an excuse to go after young men?

I don't think young men today are worthless, that is a peculiar twist most probably do not agree with, you started off sort of saying you are advocating for young men and then start bashing. Maybe start your own thread to sort out the topic. This is a thread about misogyny.
 
Same. There's always going to be outliers that are just the worst, but at least in my circles my friends who have sons are raising them to be thoughtful and polite. The fact that consent has become mainstream is pretty huge.

I find it laughable when people say that men are being put down. It's more like men had all the pie and now women get a slice too and some of them are just so completely put out by that. If they can't have all the pie the pie is not worth having, or something.
https://stanfordreview.org/young-men-in-crisis/

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/13/upshot/boys-falling-behind-data.html
 
I am not sure I am understanding you correctly so please explain further. Is your argument to not push for equality of young women because some people use it as an excuse to go after young men?

I don't think young men today are worthless, that is a peculiar twist most probably do not agree with. Maybe start your own thread.
In efforts to make sure young women have all the same opportunities and resources that they did not have in the past, young men are being left behind. There is also a not so small element that feel that young women should be made the priority and the young men should suffer based on our society's past flaws.
 
I think your comment was ridiculous. Men have to put in a little effort now for women to find them worthy of dating and they whine about it.
Yep, I guess young men are just whiney losers. But I don't think telling them that over and over from the day they are born has any effect on their self esteem.

Most studies are showing that the biggest issue hurting young men is actually absentee fathers and no strong male role models, so it is building into a vicious cycle.

Peace Out.
 
Just a thought
"A womans place is in the kitchen, except if she is getting paid, as the professional kitchen is a mans world"


https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/food-and-drink/why-are-there-so-few-women-chefs-1.4731442

Why are there so few women chefs?
Despite chef shortages, women make up just a third of chefs in Ireland and still occupy the lowest ranking roles
Sat Nov 20 2021


Professional kitchens are tough work environments, and even tougher for women. There is growing awareness of gender inequality among chefs and increasing efforts to address it. Watching sea changes unfold, and movements such as Waking the Feminists, experienced chef Mary Farrell “started questioning why there were so few women in the industry, wondering what is going on in our profession that we don’t see enough women coming through, especially at the top level”.

An executive chef with decades of experience Farrell has seen a lot, “front of house and back of house, I managed restaurants, I ran my own business”. Aware there was little information about cheffing in Ireland – no database with details of gender breakdown, roles etc – she began research, and last year completed a PhD at TU Dublin on gender inequality in the Irish chef profession.

Sometimes it's hard to relate to the males when all they do is talk about football and which girl they're having sex with now

The findings quantify some of how the sector is structured. It also includes personal comments from those working in it, some of which may go part of the way to explain why there are so few women chefs here – 69 per cent of chefs in Ireland are male. At the top tier, 90.5 per cent of all executive head chefs are male while 79 per cent of all head chefs are male.

“Women aren’t as included in the workplace like men are,” says a survey respondent. “They talk amongst themselves and usually get bumped up quicker due to the males getting on with the male head chefs. Sometimes it’s hard to relate to the males when all they do is talk about football and which girl they’re having sex with now.”

That experience of a young female commis chef in a casual dining kitchen is echoed by others, informing the qualitative aspect of Farrell’s research. “I am a female chef and people you work with, over and under, make jokes about being a woman in a kitchen and sexual comments towards you,” reports an older female pastry chef in a fine dining kitchen. A male head chef working in casual dining agrees: “there are too many sexual references or jokes in the workspace”.

Even before the Covid pandemic there was a shortage of chefs in Irish hospitality. Issues of fairness aside, if professional kitchens are considered to be inhospitable environments for women, the sector is already on the backfoot when it comes to recruitment or retention.

For her research, Farrell surveyed 475 people (236 males, 239 females), representing two per cent of the chef population here. The responses were weighted to reflect the gender breakdown of the Irish chef population represented in 2016 CSO data.

While respondents were broadly in line with the age and geographical profile of chefs, she weighed the survey against 2016 CSO census data to reflect the gender breakdown of chefs.

Some 90 per cent of chefs in Ireland work in four types of kitchen: industrial or catering kitchens; casual dining including restaurants and bars; hotels; fine dining.

The research shows the majority of women work in lower grade kitchens and lower grade chef roles, where 73 per cent of all pastry chefs are women, 67 per cent of all chefs de partie are women and 58 per cent of kitchen managers are women. While men are more evenly spread across kitchen types, they dominate in fine dining and hotel kitchens, where almost 50 per cent of all male chefs work, compared with only 33 per cent of the total female chef population.

Significantly, men dominate in key leadership roles here: 97 per cent of executive head chefs in hotels are men. In fine dining over 83 per cent of all head chefs are men.

Just 31 per cent of chefs are female; 56 per cent of women identified gender inequality as an issue, where only 28 per cent of men did (showing “it wasn’t really an important issue for men”, says Farrell). But even more women pastry chefs (67 per cent) and women hotel chefs (64 per cent ) pointed to gender inequality.

While a number of celebrated women chefs have high profiles here, that visibility doesn’t extend into the sector’s kitchens. Farrell says there are several reasons for this, including unequal promotions that lack transparency, lack of chef leadership training, lack of compulsory paternity leave, unequal pay, and hostile work environments, with a masculine culture of sexual harassment/strict discipline/long working hours.

Farrell sums the pattern up: “Men dominate all leadership roles, particularly in hotel and fine dining kitchens. In an ideal world promotion is dependent on chefs’ skills and ability. But lack of transparency in promotion pathways permits bias based on gender to influence promotion in kitchens, where women are less valued.

“Perception of women’s value and worth play a key role in determining access to promotion, particularly in hotels and fine dining. Male chefs in those environments are more likely to hold stereotypical views of women chefs, identifying themselves as breadwinners and women as nurturers. This results in believing women are less capable because of their gender, and an assumption that all women will have children and caring roles, and are therefore passed over.

“Men are elevated to senior roles while women remain in the feminine pastry and lower status roles. In fine dining, long working hours allow discrimination based on the possibility that women might desire to have a family. Acceptance of this results in the system remaining unchanged, and perpetuates gender inequality.”

Prof Pat O’Connor, Farrell’s external PhD supervisor and emeritus professor of sociology and social policy at UL, is an academic with significant heft. She sees in cheffing the same pattern she sees in other male-dominated areas, from higher education to politics.

Despite my experience and culinary education, I am never asked for input on the savoury food section. I am not called or considered a 'chef' by restaurant staff

“Men are less likely to think gender inequality exists because it doesn’t affect them. The supreme irony is that it’s an area which is stereotypically seen as very female – cooking – but men are dominating in leadership positions, and higher status areas. It’s a classic pattern. Areas, such as pastry roles here, are seen as ‘suitable’ for women and it becomes a cul de sac; it’s very difficult to move to being a chef in more elite areas. The career track doesn’t run from pastry to fine dining or leadership as a top chef. Women become locked into areas that are going nowhere.”

Then there’s the culture of cheffing, none of it new, nor exclusive to Ireland, seen in international research and epitomised by Kitchen Confidential, Anthony Bourdain’s account of a profane, raunchy, testosterone-filled culinary culture; one which is now recognised as hostile and abusive, particularly for women.

One respondent, a young hotel pastry chef, highlighted a culture of silence where women are devalued: “in the kitchen, men feel like they can treat you how they like because at the end of the day, kitchen sticks together”.

Other women identified lack of respect and recognition for their roles and their work. Another pastry chef, in an industrial catering kitchen, said “despite my experience and culinary education, I am never asked for input on the savoury food section. I am not called or considered a ‘chef’ by restaurant staff.”

Said a casual dining chef de partie: “I was not treated fairly for the work that I did compared to male chefs” while a hotel commis chef observed “a very macho environment, women treated like they know nothing, opinions not respected, and I find there are less men and they do less work yet are employed in the higher roles, while the women are working the tougher jobs, and are more inclined to pull their weight and own up to any issues that come about. The men do the bare minimum yet are taking home a bigger pay packet!”

Chef Máirtín Mac Con Iomaire supervised Farrell’s research at TU Dublin, where he lectures in culinary arts. He calls it “a culture that is changing, dramatically and quickly”. But he wasn’t surprised by the findings, seeing it replicated across society and other professions, “where starting a family coincides with key career stages, and societal norms see the burden of caregiving disproportionately falling to women”.

Some restaurants have cut back on opening hours or days because of staff shortages and a growing awareness of work-life balance, Mac Con Iomaire says. Restaurants need to be more flexible in working hours, if that’s what’s needed. The hierarchical Brigade Kitchen structure, which may be problematic, is dying out, he says, though it remains a necessity in large hotel kitchens with multiple dining rooms.

One theme emerging in the research was a perception that some practical classes were biased at third level training level, where women were seen as less capable than men in hot cookery classes and encouraged towards pastry instead. “Some of our lecturers in practical classes look down on girls . . . and tend to be ‘surprised’ when we achieve an equal (if not superior) end result in a dish.” “Practical lecturers treat male and female students differently, underestimating the ability of female students.”

Mac Con Iomaire believes such comments “may be outliers. I don’t think it’s widescale” in education. But he’s not complacent: “We do need to hold a mirror up to ourselves, and catch unconscious bias.” While culinary arts at third level is “very egalitarian” and there is balance among students with “50/50 coming in”, he says, there may be some self-selection, with female students choosing pastry and nutrition courses.

Farrell says the staff shortage crisis is a persistent headline for the chef industry in Ireland, throughout the Celtic Tiger boom and now coming out of the pandemic. There are multiple reasons and no easy solutions. “We should ask why the profession remains an unattractive career choice for women. We haven’t addressed this glaring elephant in the room. Now is the time.”

There’s some evidence of change emerging, and Farrell suggests an impressive suite of actions to tackle what seems endemic. She says reintroducing a joint labour commission for hospitality is key. Other suggestions include dynamic national tracking to monitor career progression, a gender-inclusive code of conduct, unconscious bias training for educators, mandatory paternity leave, inclusive leadership training, an independent body to monitor gender inequality, and education for head chefs in managing kitchen teams.

Mac Con Iomaire believes “cultural tropes within the industry are being broken down”. Farrell says: “We need something to start a level playing field. There may be some very old-style chefs, and there are definitely some very good head chefs now, that know how to run kitchens.” There are grounds for hope.
 
The main problem I see in the world today is that young men are constantly being told they are worthless, of no use, and women can get by just fine without them. So that is exactly what they become - worthless losers.

The huge push for equality for girls has turned poisonous. It has turned in to "It is not enough to have our young women succeed and thrive, the young men must also fail".
I promise you that is not the main problem in the world today and it certainly isn't caused by equality for women.
 














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