DVCnews May direct sales article

[Sandisw]

What stood out to me but no one seems to be taking about is how abysmal the sales at CFW are. Doesn’t this translate to like 40 years to sell out or something if current rate continues? I haven’t been on the boards a ton the past few months so maybe this has been done to death in previous months.

And it means one of two things…IMO…that they simply wanted to shift some to DVC but really keep most for cash…

Or, these will be part of the same resort as LSL and they don’t care how fast they sell.

I tend to think the later

 

[kilik64]

What stood out to me but no one seems to be taking about is how abysmal the sales at CFW are. Doesn’t this translate to like 40 years to sell out or something if current rate continues? I haven’t been on the boards a ton the past few months so maybe this has been done to death in previous months.

Yea its not anything new here about how bad CFW is selling.

There's lots of theories on what will happen with the predominant one being Lakeshore Lodge and CFW will be combined in the trust together to help it sell.

I used to be team its gonna get combined but now I'm 50/50 on it. I think they just figured hey we gotta pay to replace these mobile homes anyways, might as well see if we can get the capex back sooner with some DVC sales and grossly underestimated the demand for such a product.

Maybe we've hit peak DVC?

 

[Matty B13]

Also, a lot of dog owners said they wanted a DVC Resort where they could have their dogs with them........ except they didn't want high dues and a single unit type.

 

[disneylandtour]

What stood out to me but no one seems to be taking about is how abysmal the sales at CFW are. Doesn’t this translate to like 40 years to sell out or something if current rate continues? I haven’t been on the boards a ton the past few months so maybe this has been done to death in previous months.

At this point, I don't think anyone, including DVD, expects the cabins to sell well. My guess: either they'll be bundled into the Lakeside Lodge (meaning that all the points for the cabins and Lakeside go into one combined bucket) or Disney will spin off / sell off a bunch of cabins over to the cash side of hotel operations. I think it's more likely that the Cabins and Lakeside will go into the same trust, but we'll see.

 

[kilik64]

At this point, I don't think anyone, including DVD, expects the cabins to sell well. My guess: either they'll be bundled into the Lakeside Lodge (meaning that all the points for the cabins and Lakeside go into one combined bucket) or Disney will spin off / sell off a bunch of cabins over to the cash side of hotel operations. I think it's more likely that the Cabins and Lakeside will go into the same trust, but we'll see.

That's an interesting thought, tossing cabins back to hotel side.

Wouldn't that mess with the annual dues though? Current dues are based on total resort points, so if they cut it in say half, dues would take a big jump up. Would think they would have to subsidize early buyers before that change was made ala VB?

 

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

And it means one of two things…IMO…that they simply wanted to shift some to DVC but really keep most for cash…

Or, these will be part of the same resort as LSL and they don’t care how fast they sell.

I tend to think the later

I’ve given up on guessing what DVC will try to do, but I can imagine they would like to combine them, especially if the point chart for the main building is high— then they can point to the cabins as a low point option where you can put six people across two separate sleeping rooms for a modest number of points.

 

[disneylandtour]

I’ve given up on guessing what DVC will try to do, but I can imagine they would like to combine them, especially if the point chart for the main building is high— then they can point to the cabins as a low point option where you can put six people across two separate sleeping rooms for a modest number of points.

I would assume that dues are partially prorated per unit / per cabin. The mixed used resorts (Poly, GF, etc.) divide overhead, transportation, landscaping, pool, etc. costs between cash and DVC dues. I would assume the same would work here. But basically, sales are so low that the cabins won't sell out for decades under the current plan, so something has to change.

 

[Hypaflex]

Which, I think this seems to show that lack of resale restrictions may not be enough for buyers to overcome high point charts and unfavorable pricing to choose direct....

Sorry, I honestly don't know...is the PIT the worst bang for buck point per room out there?

 

[Girlstar30]

Sorry, I honestly don't know...is the PIT the worst bang for buck point per room out there?

The two bedroom tpv is 79 points for 1 night weekend in the lowest point season of September. That's pretty crazy to me.

 

[MyDogTink]

For Poly, people may have shifted to resale instead of direct.

 

[Chili327]

What stood out to me but no one seems to be taking about is how abysmal the sales at CFW are. Doesn’t this translate to like 40 years to sell out or something if current rate continues? I haven’t been on the boards a ton the past few months so maybe this has been done to death in previous months.

And it means one of two things…IMO…that they simply wanted to shift some to DVC but really keep most for cash…

Or, these will be part of the same resort as LSL and they don’t care how fast they sell.

I tend to think the later

Could be both.?

Sorry, I honestly don't know...is the PIT the worst bang for buck point per room out there?

The two bedroom tpv is 79 points for 1 night weekend in the lowest point season of September. That's pretty crazy to me.

For Poly, people may have shifted to resale instead of direct.

It is crazy to me as well, but if people are paying it then i guess that's all that matters.

 

[disneylandtour]

It is crazy to me as well, but if people are paying it then i guess that's all that matters.

In terms of Poly Tower, the points are high and the rooms are on the small side. Longhouse studio is around 447 sq feet. Tower studio is around 410 sq feet, with some (i believe based on placement in the building) being slightly smaller. Longhouse studios sleep five, tower sleep four.

I think a lot of DVC owners are going to the Tower to check out the new, shiny thing. But that will wear off. Give it two years--and I think there will be a stronger preference for the longhouse studios, making them difficult to book. But we'll see.

 

[Hypaflex]

For what it’s worth, my DW is a retired dental hygienist. She loathes math and would often joke that she chose her profession because she only had to count to 32—that’s the number of teeth in an adult mouth!

Haha! Would you mind giving the contact info of your DW? Looking to start the relationship and she sounds like my family and her would get along well lol

 

[BetterInTheWildnerness24]

I will say that I thought PIT was incredibly beautiful when we toured it. The 1 BR villas with 2 bathrooms, double balcony, the terrace rooms - all just seemed incredible. Walked out of there thinking, alright, maybe this is like RIV, but on the monorail and without those pesky resale restrictions. Then, when we were done, we went over to the QS at the Poly (what is it? Captain Cook's I think). It was late afternoon, so wasn't too busy, but service was pretty slow. Wasn't too hard to find a table, but there weren't a lot of actual tables inside. Then we walked outside to the see the lava pool just packed the brim and turned around to see the Dole Whip line at least 30 people deep, and were like, hmmm, this seems pretty busy. As I thought and did more research, sounds like that level of business isn't uncommon. Then the points charts - at first, I thought, well we'd be ok with resort view, right? I mean the resort view at RIV is great, so PIT is probably ok too, right?. Then I've seen some of the resort view pictures of what looks like a utility room roof and even TP view pictures where you're on the first floor with what is technically a view of MK, but not really all that great, and just really started to question whether it was worth it. I still want to go back and am thinking of booking a stay there for our welcome home trip, but everything seemed to go downhill after touring the actual building itself.

This is what consoles me about not having enough points to stay at the poly. I’ve loved visiting (stayed like 20 years ago) but even as a visitor I hate the QS options and the crowds. Captain cooks had I adequate seating, it was too warm and stuffy, smelled stale, people bumping into one another everywhere. Loud. I couldn’t wait to get back to POFQ on our last visit!

 

[Girlstar30]

This is what consoles me about not having enough points to stay at the poly. I’ve loved visiting (stayed like 20 years ago) but even as a visitor I hate the QS options and the crowds. Captain cooks had I adequate seating, it was too warm and stuffy, smelled stale, people bumping into one another everywhere. Loud. I couldn’t wait to get back to POFQ on our last visit!

I've always said they need a signature restaurant geared more towards adults. PIT was their chance but they put a bar and grill I would love if they had a spa too.

 

[Ruttangel]

I've always said they need a signature restaurant geared more towards adults. PIT was their chance but they put a bar and grill I would love if they had a spa too.

Maybe it’s deliberate, Poly is for younger families and VGF is for those that like finer things in life