Westworld

[lovin'fl]

I am with Biceratops. I don't think it's two timelines. I am also intrigued with the theory that Bernard is a robot made to hold the consciousness of Arnold(or is it Albert...thought Arnold??). Might even look like him too.

 

[Guardianw]

The Wyatt story (the new narrative Ford created) is the reason that Dolores and William meet and is the same story that brings Teddy and MiB together. How can the same new narrative play a role in both of their stories if they are the same person 30 years apart?

You are making a couple of assumptions. Are you positive it is a new narrative? The Delos board was less sure. Logan thinks that Dolores is simply sent to find William because he seemed interested in her. What if he's right? Any host can act as a guide/companion to any guest. Also, there is the possibility that Teddy rescued her and allowed her to escape, as her flowchart shows is possible.

I also love this show and agree with you 100%. I feel that we have 2 different timelines going on. What is curious to me however, is that if the William/Dolores story is in the past....and the MiB/Dolores is present...what send Dolores back to her "blue dress" loop?

This one I'm spoiler tagging.

Spoiler: These spoiler-y delights have spoiled ends

I'm of two minds. 1) Albert's jack in the box code surfaced 30 years ago, was suppressed in part by Will, and revived via reverie or 2) all of her past actions were dictated not by Albert's code but by the Delos board because of William's position as a potential corporate white knight. And her memories to the contrary are simply her being the ultimate unreliable narrator.

Let me know what I got wrong.

 

[ZellyB]

I'm really enjoying this show and struggling to figure things out. I was also thinking that MiB might be Arnold (I wrote Albert originally after seeing that here, but isn't it Arnold? or are we talking about two different characters) after this week's episode, but the two timelines thing seems very plausible.

Spoiler

This link has a nice little video embedded that details some of the "clues" potentially that point to two timelines. http://www.slashfilm.com/westworld-bits-3/

 

[Biceratops]

The only reason Teddy is with MiB is due to his hunt for Wyatt. He gets ambushed, probably tortured, and left for dead. MiB saves him. Teddy and MiB then have a conversation with Ford where it is confirmed that Wyatt is a new creation. He then asks Ford if he has finally created a worthy opponent.

Wyatt is the catalyst that separates Teddy from Dolores and Wyatt is the glue that holds the two plot lines together in time.

 

[Biceratops]

0:15 - "Flag her with behavior. They can pull her in and make sure everything is checking out."

1:30 - Someone tries to pull her in, but William interferes.


This is all happening at the same time.

 

[Guardianw]

The only reason Teddy is with MiB is due to his hunt for Wyatt. He gets ambushed, probably tortured, and left for dead. MiB saves him. Teddy and MiB then have a conversation with Ford where it is confirmed that Wyatt is a new creation. He then asks Ford if he has finally created a worthy opponent.

Wyatt is the catalyst that separates Teddy from Dolores and Wyatt is the glue that holds the two plot lines together in time.

Again you are making assumptions, that may not be warranted. Dolores meets up with William because. . . ??? . . . It's never specified why. You assume that every scene that happens in the show has chronologically happened right after the one before it. This is your option, but you have to explain a ton of inconsistencies, some glaring, some subtle.

As I alluded to earlier, the Delos Board is concerned that Ford is going backwards in his narrative. Introducing, re-introducing, or re-purposing a current host (Via programmed increased aggression, which we have seen on camera, and by creating a more complex backstory, again, which we have seen on camera, thus "creating" a new villain) that revives access to "The Maze" could potentially trouble the board. And that could be precisely what is going on here.

If you've got some other evidence I'd be happy to revise my theory.

 

[Guardianw]

0:15 - "Flag her with behavior. They can pull her in and make sure everything is checking out."

1:30 - Someone tries to pull her in, but William interferes.


This is all happening at the same time.

I'm pretty sure some handsome rogue, already addressed this clip.

Yup, I'm going to let that charming swain speak for me:

People say that, but I'm less certain.

Spoiler: These spoiler-y delights have spoiled ends

The episode showed the control room noting Dolores was out of her routine and then cut to a scene of Dolores being hassled by someone trying to take her away, either to her farmhouse or the mesa. But, A) the turn around on that was very quick as compared to the last time we saw them track down a rouge host, B) Dolores has a reason to be in this town in the MIB time period because Bernard has told her to seek the maze, and C) Dolores is clearly glitching. She enters the town, talks to the little girl who holds the key to the entrance to the maze who has drawn the maze symbol in the dirt, and then the next second, girl and drawing have vanished and Dolores is being assaulted (after the Mesa says they are unsure she's NOT supposed to be there because of Ford's changes. . .Hmmm)

On a personal note, may I just say THANK THE MAKER there are people who are talking about this on here. NO ONE in my office is watching this.

 

[Biceratops]

Delores meets up with William because she goes off loop due to Wyatt shooting up her ranch and stumbles at William's campsite.

I think her inner dialogue/reveries is what's tripping people up. I'm not here to argue, and I'd rather just watch the show than come up with theories. This show has pretty much perfected the slow burn.

 

[gometros]

I may have to go back and rematch the episodes to date. This is one show you have to give your undivided attention to .

 

[Biceratops]

All I have to say right now is if you really want William and Dolores to have a happy ending, please refer to the film Ex-Machina (available on Prime Video).

 

[HM]

All I have to say right now is if you really want William and Dolores to have a happy ending, please refer to the film Ex-Machina (available on Prime Video).

Yeah, that didn't end to well for the guy.

 

[Biceratops]

I know many folks on here aren't gamers or are limited to what they can play around their kids but if you ever have the chance, definitely check out this game or watch a "Let's Play"

It's been on the record that the writers of Westworld got a lot of inspiration from several video games including Red Dead Redemption, and I have to say this is one of the best games ever made.

 

[Guardianw]

Delores meets up with William because she goes off loop due to Wyatt shooting up her ranch and stumbles at William's campsite.

I think her inner dialogue/reveries is what's tripping people up. I'm not here to argue, and I'd rather just watch the show than come up with theories. This show has pretty much perfected the slow burn.

Well. . .that's definitely not right. Dolores' ranch is attacked by captain beard face, the human beta, and the guest who can't shoot straight, they showed that. The only one who says it is Wyatt is MiB when he is manipulating Teddy (Which he admits to Ford).

Anyhow, I've enjoyed debating with you. If you get the urge again, let me know.

 

[gometros]

Anyone catch the homage to the original Westworld in tonight's episode?

 

[Biceratops]

If anything, the fact that Teddy and the MiB had to go around Pariah because of the town being shut down (see episode 5) disproves the dual timeline theory completely.

 

[ZellyB]

Anyone catch the homage to the original Westworld in tonight's episode?

YES!! I pointed it out to my husband as soon as I spied him in the background!

 

[lovin'fl]

Never saw the original Westworld. Very interesting episode. I am so lost. But I do think the dual timeline is out.

 

[gometros]

When Bernard goes to the basement, you can see a robot in the background that is clearly Yul Brenner's MIB from the original.

 

[Guardianw]

Never saw the original *Westworld*. Heard it was good. What I do find hilarious, though, is that they patterned Yul Brenner's android costume on his *Magnificent Seven* costume. Part of me wonders if they patterned the MiB's costume after Denzel's. Probably not, since they are made by different studios. Still, I'd laugh if they did.

I think the new logo in a "backstage" area, while simultaneously demonstrating that the old logo was the old logo because it was everywhere in the old office hints strongly that William was off loaded in the past, after all why would one pay to change the logo for the employees but leave the old logo for the guests? I couldn't rightly say I found any other particularly convincing evidence, one way or the other. Ford is actively disrupting the park, multiple people in this episode alone said this, so. . .

Okay, what about this: I came up with two mutually exclusive theories as to the ID of Arnold. Frankly, they both feel kinda half baked to me, but with a little bit of heat from you lot, maybe one of them will bake up right?

Spoiler: For those whose spoiler programs have been set to sensitive

Theory 1: Arnold is Ford's brother. We've been hearing a lot of Ford's brother of late. No one knows much about Albert, so who is to say he wasn't Ford's brother? It would explain how he was able to re-create Ford's family. It might also explain why his program is resurfacing if Ford is trying to carry on his brother's work, for some reason. Or maybe,

Theory 2: Ford's real name is Robert Arnold Ford, and the creators are going all *Fight Club* on us. It would explain why no one knows anything about Albert, despite 7 lawyers worth of attention--heck even long term employees like Bernard don't know much about him. If Albert is merely a metaphor, not even a real and true dissociative (sic) identity, it would likewise explain why the hosts seem to be waking up now, a la, Ford deciding to return to his old research.

Like I said, half baked. Still might be interesting. Feel free to rip them apart like a greyhound with a . . .Well, you get the idea.

 

[muffyn]

People say that, but I'm less certain.

Spoiler: These spoiler-y delights have spoiled ends

The episode showed the control room noting Dolores was out of her routine and then cut to a scene of Dolores being hassled by someone trying to take her away, either to her farmhouse or the mesa. But, A) the turn around on that was very quick as compared to the last time we saw them track down a rouge host, B) Dolores has a reason to be in this town in the MIB time period because Bernard has told her to seek the maze, and C) Dolores is clearly glitching. She enters the town, talks to the little girl who holds the key to the entrance to the maze who has drawn the maze symbol in the dirt, and then the next second, girl and drawing have vanished and Dolores is being assaulted (after the Mesa says they are unsure she's NOT supposed to be there because of Ford's changes. . .Hmmm)

On a personal note, may I just say THANK THE MAKER there are people who are talking about this on here. NO ONE in my office is watching this.

there is a HUGE thread on reddit! just recently found it. also TONS & TONS of stuff on youtube > theories , recaps, discussions, interviews with creators, lots of fun, interesting stuff!

I a one of the obsessed on this!