We want to redhead!

[wonderstruck88]

I agree. This is just ridiculous. What is this world coming to?! Sad to change a classic because someone feels it's not right. Wake up folks!!!! There are many things in this world that people think are "not right". Enjoy the ride for what it is or just STAY HOME!!!!!!

How is it that we have this post plus a post saying that those who support the change are the ones really getting worked up on the same page? Seems pretty darn worked up to me. I didn't realize I had to love every moment of every ride at Disney World in order to count as a fan and be allowed to visit.

 

[ofcabbagesandkings]

What I have seen play out in these few threads is that if you must split it into two groups ...

1) Group A is not bothered by the scene, would like the ride to maintain it's "classic-ness" as we lose more and more of Walt's original input, sees the full ride as a story but is certainly not getting upset, going off on tangents of society behavior, getting political etc. We will all naturally live with the new ride, even if disappointed.

2) Group B is very bothered by the scene, reads all kinds of ill will into it, is getting political and sign carrying upset. They want it gone to right the wrongs in the world and simply can't understand why anyone, especially women, aren't protesting it's existence. Group B is the one getting "worked up".


It's funny, I am Group A, I have kept saying I'm fine if it stays and fine if it goes, after all it's just a theme park ride. Of course without Walt - none of this would be here at all. So I'm sad because it's classic, but WOW ..... given all the indignation by Group B .... makes me want to dig in tighter. And again ......... I think it's time we let the dwarfs go, especially Dopey. Funny, all that stuff I listed much earlier that is offensive, inappropriate and harmful to others ....... I think only one person has verbally agreed to one of them. So what? we are cherry picking what offends us and what doesn't.

Nope, sorry. There is no evidence that Disney made this change as a result of any fan petition. People are simply responding to the outrage of Group A by explaining why they think Disney may have made this decision. The ones who seem to be emotional are Group A, IMHO. The rest of us may applaud the decision, but we were never carrying signs in front of POTC or filling out online petitions to determine the outcome of the ride, as members of Group A are doing now.

 

[jerseyjersey]

What I have seen play out in these few threads is that if you must split it into two groups ...

1) Group A is not bothered by the scene, would like the ride to maintain it's "classic-ness" as we lose more and more of Walt's original input, sees the full ride as a story but is certainly not getting upset, going off on tangents of society behavior, getting political etc. We will all naturally live with the new ride, even if disappointed.

2) Group B is very bothered by the scene, reads all kinds of ill will into it, is getting political and sign carrying upset. They want it gone to right the wrongs in the world and simply can't understand why anyone, especially women, aren't protesting it's existence. Group B is the one getting "worked up".


It's funny, I am Group A, I have kept saying I'm fine if it stays and fine if it goes, after all it's just a theme park ride. Of course without Walt - none of this would be here at all. So I'm sad because it's classic, but WOW ..... given all the indignation by Group B .... makes me want to dig in tighter. And again ......... I think it's time we let the dwarfs go, especially Dopey. Funny, all that stuff I listed much earlier that is offensive, inappropriate and harmful to others ....... I think only one person has verbally agreed to one of them. So what? we are cherry picking what offends us and what doesn't.

I feel like there are many in Group C-not personally offended or losing sleep over the scene, but cool with the change because they are either indifferent to it, or understand why some others may not like or be entirely comfortable with the scene.

 

[Slapshot1188]

While we are at it lets close down Splash Mountain because it's based on Song of the South. The Shooting Arcade in Frontier land should go as it promotes guns. It's a Small World plays to racial/ethnic stereotypes (some are really bad). Jungle Cruise? Gotta go! Gangster scenes in Great Movie ride? As someone of mixed Italian decent I find the stereotypes shown there to be beyond bad.
Heck why stop at just rides? Jasmine's costume in Aladdin is not historically accurate and sets a bad example for girls. We should edit out the smoking in Pinocchio. I'm sure that is just scratching the surface.


PS: I actually hope none of these change. History may be imperfect, but so are we.

 

[jerry557]

If they were changing it because they wanted the ride to be more in line with the movies, then that would be one thing. The pirates in the movies are more cartoonish and even somewhat viewed as protagonists in a way (anti-heroes). So it could make sense that they want to shift the ride a bit in that direction. But the issue is that they are not changing the scene to make it better or to bring it in line with the movies. They are changing it because Disney doesn't feel it fits with modern times. So the scene is obviously being changed to suit some agenda of some Imagineer. That's especially obvious since the artist depictions of the new scene makes sure we all can see that a woman can be a pirate too.

People have criticized Disney recently for this kind of thing in other franchises too. For example, die hard Star Wars fans are upset at the shift in how the movies are made so that they can sell new female-focused merchandise. And they seem to be moving that way with Marvel now too. Which is all ironic because Disney spent billions on these franchises in order to get more BOYS into the Disney spirit. For years Disney was criticized for being "for girls." But now Disney seems like they are shifting the male-dominated franchises to the girls. Will the boys stick around? I guess we will have to see.

 

[btk2333]

People have criticized Disney recently for this kind of thing in other franchises too. For example, die hard Star Wars fans are upset at the shift in how the movies are made so that they can sell new female-focused merchandise. And they seem to be moving that way with Marvel now too. Which is all ironic because Disney spent billions on these franchises in order to get more BOYS into the Disney spirit. For years Disney was criticized for being "for girls." But now Disney seems like they are shifting the male-dominated franchises to the girls. Will the boys stick around? I guess we will have to see.

Haha this is a new conspiracy for me.

I honestly want to know more about this Star Wars theory. I listen to 4-6 hours of Star Wars podcasts weekly (forecast) and spend a fair amount of time on the force.net and I have never heard any mention of this whatsoever.

Disney has messed up plenty with the Star Wars franchise but female casting can hardly be considered something a sizable number of Star Wars fans consider a problem

 

[Red Scathach]

If they were changing it because they wanted the ride to be more in line with the movies, then that would be one thing. The pirates in the movies are more cartoonish and even somewhat viewed as protagonists in a way (anti-heroes). So it could make sense that they want to shift the ride a bit in that direction. But the issue is that they are not changing the scene to make it better or to bring it in line with the movies. They are changing it because Disney doesn't feel it fits with modern times. So the scene is obviously being changed to suit some agenda of some Imagineer. That's especially obvious since the artist depictions of the new scene makes sure we all can see that a woman can be a pirate too.

People have criticized Disney recently for this kind of thing in other franchises too. For example, die hard Star Wars fans are upset at the shift in how the movies are made so that they can sell new female-focused merchandise. And they seem to be moving that way with Marvel now too. Which is all ironic because Disney spent billions on these franchises in order to get more BOYS into the Disney spirit. For years Disney was criticized for being "for girls." But now Disney seems like they are shifting the male-dominated franchises to the girls. Will the boys stick around? I guess we will have to see.

I agree with this. But I think there can be a happy medium with characters that can appeal to boys/girls. Of course pirates shouldn't be considered role models for the kiddies but who are we kidding, old school pirate tales/stories are just plain fun! I wouldn't mind them changing the Pirates ride to be more in line with the movies. However they could at the same time put in historical female pirates like Ching Shih (who was in Pirates of the Caribbean as one of the Pirate Lords). But even though it may not be socially correct I will miss the bride auction scene since it's a classic.

 

[thevolcanogod]

Haha this is a new conspiracy for me.

I honestly want to know more about this Star Wars theory. I listen to 4-6 hours of Star Wars podcasts weekly.

I find your forum handle.....disturbing. But carry on.

 

[btk2333]

I find your forum handle.....disturbing. But carry on.

My initials and Michael Jordan/ Scottie pippens basketball numbers I used to use my old AOL name for MB accounts

 

[jerry557]

Disney has messed up plenty with the Star Wars franchise but female casting can hardly be considered something a sizable number of Star Wars fans consider a problem

Seriously? You never heard Star Wars fans complain about Rey? She's been heavily criticized for being a "Mary Sue" and seems to be invincible. The first time Luke faced Vader 1 on 1, he got his hand chopped off (by his own father, no less). And he loses. The first time Rey faces Kylo Ren in an actual fight, she wins and doesn't have a scratch on her.

I have no problem with a girl being a Jedi. But the writing on her character so far is very lazy, bad, and totally unbelievable.

 

[DWillowBay]

There's a great quote from Abraham Maslow..."If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail." Or this one...(not Maslow)..."You can please some of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time." Just saying'.

 

[btk2333]

Seriously? You never heard Star Wars fans complain about Rey? She's been heavily criticized for being a "Mary Sue" and seems to be invincible. The first time Luke faced Vader 1 on 1, he got his hand chopped off (by his own father, no less). And he loses. The first time Rey faces Kylo Ren in an actual fight, she wins and doesn't have a scratch on her.

I have no problem with a girl being a Jedi. But the writing on her character so far is very lazy, bad, and totally unbelievable.

Of course I've heard people complain about Rey being overpowered - I'm not a fan of the movie at all as I think disney took the easy way out by rehashing an old story. But the criticism I see of the character would be true whether it were a female overpowered or male overpowered character.

Lets not forget that the Star Wars franchise has a long history of overpowered newbie force sensitives (untrained 10 year old anakin flew a star fighter and played a large role in destroying the trade federation command ship after all)

The writing on most of the characters so far in the sequel trilogy is lazy and unbelievable it just continues on to Rey as well.

Lets not forget that the male leads in TFA have ridiculous abilities as well. (Poe's ridiculous flight maneuvers in atmosphere on takadona / finns light saber abilities on takadona with no training)

There are plenty of problems with the writing of the movie but I don't think the sex of the lead characters are an issue. You can criticize a character without criticizing the fact that a character is male/female. Disney just seems to expect you to overlook the unrealistic and coincidental occurrences that are necessary to allow the plot to move forward. Hopefully they have some master storyplan that will explain some of these ridiculous abilities as I am a huge Star Wars fan and really want to enjoy the sequel trilogy

 

[Boski]

Haha this is a new conspiracy for me.

I honestly want to know more about this Star Wars theory. I listen to 4-6 hours of Star Wars podcasts weekly (forecast) and spend a fair amount of time on the force.net and I have never heard any mention of this whatsoever.

Disney has messed up plenty with the Star Wars franchise but female casting can hardly be considered something a sizable number of Star Wars fans consider a problem

Fellow force.net member here, agreed with everything you said. If Rey would have been cast as a male with the same store line everyone would claim Marty Stu.

 

[Disxuni]

Fellow force.net member here, agreed with everything you said. If Rey would have been cast as a male with the same store line everyone would claim Marty Stu.

While we're getting off topic, it seems the training is becoming less. First, they made speak of how it takes years to be in the academy, which Anakin takes awhile to progress. Luke it seems almost no time at all passes for his training (compared to Anakin). Rey has no training at all. If anything it seems that it's a continuity error. Also, to take into consideration is we do not know much about Rey, for all we know her "natural skills" might be relating to who she's related to. But more than likely, it's a continuity issue.

 

[hiroMYhero]

Moving to TP Community where the Star Wars conversation can continue.

 

[BrianL]

Here's the thing about Rey, Finn, Kylo Ren, and Luke Skywalker - any Republic Era Jedi would destroy them in a battle. They seem good, because their competition has lessened. Luke was maybe getting there by ROTJ, but I think Vader was sandbagging a little.

Rey seems tough because she knocked Kylo Ren for a loop, but really, how tough is Ren? Strong with the Force obviously, but as a fighter? I don't think Rey is really that overpowered, but she does seem to take to it a tad too easily.