"We don't need no stinking badges"!.... unless you live in Iran?

[Cool-Beans]

Iran-- their country, their rules.....We should focus on our own problems.

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.


Pastor Martin Niemöller

 

[LukenDC]

It's the UN world inaction, not USA action, that makes Iran bold.

The United States has proven its willingness to go outside of the UN on many different occassions (Grenada, Panama, Bosnia, Iraq). The threat of US military intervention is very realistic and has been so for at least the past four administrations. I still maintain that Iran sees America spread thin and struggling in Iraq and is emboldened by that. Same goes for Venezuela and North Korea.

 

[momof2inPA]

The United States has proven its willingness to go outside of the UN on many different occassions (Grenada, Panama, Bosnia, Iraq). The threat of US military intervention is very realistic and has been so for at least the past four administrations. I still maintain that Iran sees America spread thin and struggling in Iraq and is emboldened by that. Same goes for Venezuela and North Korea.

Iran has the backing of Russia and China. There's nothing we can or will do to intervene in their country. If everyone's so worried about genocide, why is this thread about Iran and not Sudan?

Iran isn't the only religious state. I believe people have posted on the DIS before that parts of Indonesia are purely Muslim and Christianity is banned from being practised. That's segregating a portion of the population. Then there's China, where the religious, especially Christians can be jailed and imprisoned, but we still buy their products.

 

[PaulaSB12]

Iran has the backing of Russia and China. There's nothing we can or will do to intervene in their country. If everyone's so worried about genocide, why is this thread about Iran and not Sudan?

Iran isn't the only religious state. I believe people have posted on the DIS before that parts of Indonesia are purely Muslim and Christianity is banned from being practised. That's segregating a portion of the population. Then there's China, where the religious, especially Christians can be jailed and imprisoned, but we still buy their products.

Israel was formed by a group of people deposing people from their land by force and removing citizenship and calling them non human, and if you are thinking of that "agreement" that Arrafat refused to sign he ws right to they would have a a bit of a country where all roads where controlled by Israel all governemnt propety would be controlled by Israel and all water is controlled by Israel and its a matter of fact confirmed by the uN that palestinian water has routinely been contanimated by raw sewage, women being refused medical intervension in childbirth until they sign a form refusing their babies from being allowed Israeli citizenship. As for China they have been illegally occupiying Tibet for years killing raping and murdering to their hearts content. One of their favourite ways of killing is to put a gun in the hands of a small child and shooting their parents, but we don't do anything about them. BTW there is an estimated 6 million people in Tibet sound familier????????

 

[shortbun]

Where IS the outrage about the Sudan? It's real and happening now, where-all you conservatives who call us "weak kneed", is your outrage over this? What, afraid to think for yourselves? Big Daddy(aka "The Decider") didn't tell you what to do on this one so no action necessary? When you all get real, someone wake me up and we'll have some real discussions. Otherwise, save your energy for the neo girls on campus.

 

[Teejay32]

Conservatives tend to condemn homicidal Muslim militias in general, wherever they are.

 

[DVC Sadie]

Where IS the outrage about the Sudan? It's real and happening now, where-all you conservatives who call us "weak kneed", is your outrage over this? What, afraid to think for yourselves? Big Daddy(aka "The Decider") didn't tell you what to do on this one so no action necessary? When you all get real, someone wake me up and we'll have some real discussions. Otherwise, save your energy for the neo girls on campus.

While I agree with you that something needs to be done in the Sudan, something also needs to be done in Iran.


I just wish we could get out of the UN or have the UN fixed to help take care of some of these problems.

 

[DVC Sadie]

bumping

 

[Papa Deuce]

Where IS the outrage about the Sudan? It's real and happening now, where-all you conservatives who call us "weak kneed", is your outrage over this? What, afraid to think for yourselves? Big Daddy(aka "The Decider") didn't tell you what to do on this one so no action necessary? When you all get real, someone wake me up and we'll have some real discussions. Otherwise, save your energy for the neo girls on campus.

Well, you know how it works. The Sudan is of little to no "value" to the USA. And really, priorities need to be set. We can't help EVERYBODY. And we shouldn't have to really have to help those who really don't help themselves ( I know, in the Sudan, it is HARD for them to help themselves ).

Sad, but true, and the way it will always be.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

However, there are very few allies left in Iraq Joe. Face it, this Iraqi war is only being supported mostly by the blind Bush followers and very few others.

I am not blind, nor is it being supported only by the blind, so spare me your leftists insults.

Those who see the big picture and the true progress being made to restore a country that terrorist-supporter Saddam ruined, to restore hope to people whose hope Saddam had taken, and to show terrorists that we and our allies will not give up because the job is tough -- support our efforts in Iraq.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Israel was formed by a group of people deposing people from their land by force and removing citizenship and calling them non human, and if you are thinking of that "agreement" that Arrafat refused to sign he ws right to they would have a a bit of a country where all roads where controlled by Israel all governemnt propety would be controlled by Israel and all water is controlled by Israel and its a matter of fact confirmed by the uN that palestinian water has routinely been contanimated by raw sewage, women being refused medical intervension in childbirth until they sign a form refusing their babies from being allowed Israeli citizenship.

Sounds like anti-Semetic propaganda.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Where IS the outrage about the Sudan? It's real and happening now, where-all you conservatives who call us "weak kneed", is your outrage over this? What, afraid to think for yourselves? Big Daddy(aka "The Decider") didn't tell you what to do on this one so no action necessary? When you all get real, someone wake me up and we'll have some real discussions. Otherwise, save your energy for the neo girls on campus.

I thought Sudan was a civil war. Is this not the reason so many on the left gave for us not getting involved in Iraq?

Yes, I think we should help Sudan. I am outraged. Once again, if the USA does not take direct action itself, the UN dithers and dithers while thousands and thousands die. And when the USA does take action, we sometimes are appreciated, but all to often we are accused of butting in, compared to terrorists, called imperialists, war mongers, etc. -- often by people in our own country

Add: And then these same people often question why our troops are dying in a foreign country, as if only American lives are valuable.

 

[shortbun]

I thought Sudan was a civil war. Is this not the reason so many on the left gave for us not getting involved in Iraq?

Yes, I think we should help Sudan. I am outraged. Once again, if the USA does not take direct action itself, the UN dithers and dithers while thousands and thousands die. And when the USA does take action, we sometimes are appreciated, but all to often we are accused of butting in, compared to terrorists, called imperialists, war mongers, etc. -- often by people in our own country

What, a poor excuse is better than none? Demand action as I have and put your money where your mouth is. BTW, the issue in the Sudan IS genocide. I think you mentioned Hitler earlier.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

What, a poor excuse is better than none? Demand action as I have and put your money where your mouth is. BTW, the issue in the Sudan IS genocide. I think you mentioned Hitler earlier.

I'm all for military intervention in Sudan.

And what are you rolling your eyes about?? You did not really address my post.

 

[Free4Life11]

Don't forget that according to the U.N. what is happening in Darfur is NOT genocide. Now THAT deserves an eye roll. Amazing that while thousands are dying they can spend the time to let us all know that it's not "technically" genocide.

It makes me so mad because if they has just gotten over themselves and called it genocide it would have required action by those who have signed the U.N. charter.

And people wonder why some of us have issues with the U.N.

 

[7onbuzz]

Back to the Iran issue. Women in Iran are not allowed to vote, drive cars or even attend sporting events. Recently, their government/religious leaders decided to allow women to attend soccer matches. However, they are required to sit in a separate section of the stadium. And of course they must keep their entire bodies, except their eyes, covered.
If you are muslim, but try to convert to another religion, you are sentenced to death. And of course let's not forget that they are developing nuclear weapons. Even the French, of all people, feel this is a serious threat. If push comes to shove, however, I'm sure we can still count on them to surrender and collaborate.
As to the Sudanese civil war, I haven't seen anyone on this thread suggest which side the U.S. should take. Hopefully those who feel we should put troops in Sudan don't want the Clinton version of Somalia where we use the UN with the UN's rules of engagement limiting our ability to do anything positive and leading to much higher casualties. Which then leads to the underlying squeamishness of those who wanted to go in the first place, who then started crying to leave.

 

[LukenDC]

I'm all for military intervention in Sudan.

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The US has a finite set of resources---economic, human, military. We cannot intervene in every conflict without people in this country making major compromises. Between the GOP's opposition to tax increases, the Dems' opposition to cuts in domestic programs, and widespread bi-partisan opposition to a draft, the US simply cannot intervene militarily in Sudan while occupying Iraq and maintaining an adequate defensive posture against North Korea and Iran.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

The US has a finite set of resources---economic, human, military. We cannot intervene in every conflict without people in this country major making compromises. Between the GOP's opposition to tax increases, the Dems' opposition to cuts in domestic programs, and widespread bi-partisan opposition to a draft, the US simply cannot intervene militarily in Sudan while occupying Iraq and maintaining an adequate defensive posture against North Korea and Iran.

Your points are well taken. But if we don't help people, it seem all too often no one does (or at least not adequately!).

What does the UN do again?? Is France busy again??

 

[declansdad]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060519/wl_canada_afp/iranrightsreligion

Basically the gist of the article is that there is a plan in the works in Iran for people to have to wear different color strips of ribbon if you live in Iran and are not Muslim.

I'm telling you, the guy in charge of Iran is absolutely NUTS. There will be a war in Iran withing two years, I would bet. I'm not saying that the US will be involved, but something is going to have to happen...... Soon, before this idiot gets too far entrenched.

Edit: A Jew might wear yellow, a Christian might wear red.......

The story was not true. The reporter did not check the facts. The bill that was being discussed in the Iranian Parliament was about more conservative dress for Muslims. It had nothing to do with minority religions.

 

[Papa Deuce]

The story was not true. The reporter did not check the facts. The bill that was being discussed in the Iranian Parliament was about more conservative dress for Muslims. It had nothing to do with minority religions.

Link to your version?