WDW Should Not Open in July. Discuss.

Should WDW open in July?

  • Yes. I'd definitely go if I had the chance.

    Votes: 133 26.3%
  • No. Not in July, but I would go before a vaccine is available.

    Votes: 203 40.2%
  • No. Not in July, and I won't feel safe going until there is a vaccine.

    Votes: 169 33.5%

  • Total voters
    505
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'm not exactly sure where in the US this was, a year or 2 ago (?), but apparently there is quite some resistance against filling up your our tank, in certain parts of the US. I couldn't understand the reasoning back then, but apparently people think that is a 'professional's' job.
Huh? I'm not sure I follow you based on the person's comment you're responding to?

There are two states where pumping your own gas is illegal under certain circumstances: Oregon and New Jersey. This is related to EPA concerns with spills (that's the reason given) as well as I guess concerns over liability IDK it's their thing. Full service pumps aren't really all that common anymore in the other states. You'll find them here and there but I don't think that's what other posters were discussing. Oregon has temporarily suspended the requirement to have someone pump it for you last I heard (though that may have changed). Not sure about New Jersey.

I think it's the touching the pumps, key pads, etc and physical and touch point interaction at a place that sees high transience that is the concern some people have and with potentially people all over. I don't fully necessarily share the concern but I think that's really more of what the other posters were talking about rather than some viewpoint that it's beneath the person to pump their own gas with respects to concerns over road trips.
 
I think it's the touching the pumps, key pads, and physical interaction at a place that sees high transience that is the concern some people have and with potentially people all over. I don't fully necessarily share the concern but I think that's really more of what the other posters were talking about rather than some viewpoint that it's beneath the person to pump their own gas with respects to concerns over road trips.
Thanks. I guess I am still confused by that. Touching the pin pad can be mitigated by using a paper towel, or handwashing/sanitizing, same with the pump. Human interaction is entirely minimal (I worked/travelled in the US for years so am well aware of the differences etc) It's outside.

I just don't see it as a mid/high risk location but so many people questioned the safety of a road trip by mentioning the gas station so was curious.
 
Next question:

On my news feed I see a lot of things being rolled back in the US by local/regional governments ie restaurant service, etc. While that may be a different path than much of rest of world, that seems the sensible thing to do at this point. Do readers think this will help to mitigate numbers?

The exit strategy for the US appears to be mask usage, vs in much of Europe where it was close/open slowly/contact trace/reclose partial areas as needed etc. In several German states mask usage will no longer be required, and in many central European countries mask usage is very low (and death rates are low)

I realise that it's difficult to stuff everything back into the box ie reclose, but at least from what I see there is action being taken in some areas? (I'm quite surprised though that WDW appears to have indoor dining as that is something I don't do yet)
 
Thanks. I guess I am still confused by that. Touching the pin pad can be mitigated by using a paper towel, or handwashing/sanitizing, same with the pump. Human interaction is entirely minimal (I worked/travelled in the US for years so am well aware of the differences etc) It's outside.

I just don't see it as a mid/high risk location but so many people questioned the safety of a road trip by mentioning the gas station so was curious.
Just thinking out loud because places are different in terms of spread and mask usage and social distancing adherence I guess I can understand how a road trip could make someone uneasy. It wouldn't necessarily make me uneasy but I get the idea behind it.
 

Next question:

On my news feed I see a lot of things being rolled back in the US by local/regional governments ie restaurant service, etc. While that may be a different path than much of rest of world, that seems the sensible thing to do at this point. Do readers think this will help to mitigate numbers?

I think it's clear that would help. If you look at states that reacted quickly and reopened slowly (like Michigan where we live), cases are under control. And when we had a few small upticks last week (even though our overall numbers are pretty good), she began rolling a few things back immediately. This is why we're staying put this summer and exploring our state instead of traveling to areas that aren't doing as good of a job at managing this.
 
That’s a lot of dead people in one day.
I think FL death rate will go up, but I think today is probably particularly bad today because reporting is bad over weekends and we just had a three-day holiday weekend. Best to look at the seven day average later in the week
 
Huh? I'm not sure I follow you based on the person's comment you're responding to?

There are two states where pumping your own gas is illegal under certain circumstances: Oregon and New Jersey. This is related to EPA concerns with spills (that's the reason given) as well as I guess concerns over liability IDK it's their thing. Full service pumps aren't really all that common anymore in the other states. You'll find them here and there but I don't think that's what other posters were discussing. Oregon has temporarily suspended the requirement to have someone pump it for you last I heard (though that may have changed). Not sure about New Jersey.

I think it's the touching the pumps, key pads, etc and physical and touch point interaction at a place that sees high transience that is the concern some people have and with potentially people all over. I don't fully necessarily share the concern but I think that's really more of what the other posters were talking about rather than some viewpoint that it's beneath the person to pump their own gas with respects to concerns over road trips.
Thank you! That helped my googling! :) I couldn't remember which state it was and what the controversy was, it was an article like this from the Huffington Post: Link. Based on this post on Facebook, about Oregon.
 
I think it's clear that would help. If you look at states that reacted quickly and reopened slowly (like Michigan where we live), cases are under control. And when we had a few small upticks last week (even though our overall numbers are pretty good), she began rolling a few things back immediately. This is why we're staying put this summer and exploring our state instead of traveling to areas that aren't doing as good of a job at managing this.
I wish more would do the same. It would do a lot to help with the spread.
 
Thanks. I guess I am still confused by that. Touching the pin pad can be mitigated by using a paper towel, or handwashing/sanitizing, same with the pump. Human interaction is entirely minimal (I worked/travelled in the US for years so am well aware of the differences etc) It's outside.

I just don't see it as a mid/high risk location but so many people questioned the safety of a road trip by mentioning the gas station so was curious.
I just filled the gas tank yesterday (first gas since March). I took an individually wrapped hand wipe and laid it on the hood, did what I had to do, used the wipe to clean my hands and open the car door, threw the wipe away in the conveniently located trash can and left. I didn’t feel there was much risk involved, since it was early morning and only one other patron there, also wearing a mask.
 
Next question:

On my news feed I see a lot of things being rolled back in the US by local/regional governments ie restaurant service, etc. While that may be a different path than much of rest of world, that seems the sensible thing to do at this point. Do readers think this will help to mitigate numbers?

The exit strategy for the US appears to be mask usage, vs in much of Europe where it was close/open slowly/contact trace/reclose partial areas as needed etc. In several German states mask usage will no longer be required, and in many central European countries mask usage is very low (and death rates are low)

I realise that it's difficult to stuff everything back into the box ie reclose, but at least from what I see there is action being taken in some areas? (I'm quite surprised though that WDW appears to have indoor dining as that is something I don't do yet)
The exit strategy for the US is no strategy.
 
I think Disney needs to remian closeed. I think if they open they asking for lawsuits as well as bad press that they may never be able to recover from.

I don’t think the lawsuits would stick. Customers have to agree to a liability waiver before going, and no one is forcing them to go. CMs were given the option of refusing the first round of callbacks, so Disney isn’t forcing them to come back yet either (although economic issues might make it difficult to say no, but technically that is not on Disney). I agree the PR could come back to get them if they aren’t careful, but I am sure they are doing everything they can to protect both guests and CMs.
 
On my news feed I see a lot of things being rolled back in the US by local/regional governments ie restaurant service, etc. While that may be a different path than much of rest of world, that seems the sensible thing to do at this point. Do readers think this will help to mitigate numbers?
I think most of our reopening plans tended to be focused on capacity limits. The mantra was about not having too many people in one space at one time. Maybe if the concentration was pre-thought out in regards to focusing on outdoor and social distancing without indoor it might have been easier to start that way rather than roll back in terms of nation-wide. But there were places that were prohibiting outdoor activities that were actually low-risk so yeah.

Different areas reopened different times so I could see ones that haven't reopened yet or in-person dining was in a later phase it makes it easier. In my area they are allowing parklets and parking spaces and lots in specific areas to be used by restaurants which I like. I myself prefer outdoors over indoors.

In my area it doesn't seem that rolling back is occurring at this point most places have allowed dining for 2 months in various forms. But places periodically close for exposure. I'm ok with that. I think the places that have to have more consideration are schools in terms of plans, which many of them do now, because it's more difficult to open/close/open/close without contingency plans in place.

One of the pizza places we go to is presently closed down due to an employee (asymptomatic) being positive. I'm not all up in arms blaming people for wanting it open..it's been open the whole time anyways as there's no indoor seating in that location (and no outdoor seating either).

A Chick-fil-A location closed down due to 10 employees testing positive. Their issue was all employees were symptomatic and were not using proper health precautions so more like that location failed. That location had been open for months and was not closed down other than in-door dining.

One of the library systems (although on the other side of the state line) has had to close temporarily 2 locations in separate time frames due to a positive case but libraries aren't really associated too too much with the economy other than staff personnel who may have continued to be paid during shut down depending on the system.

But these examples don't cause me to get upset and jerkish towards people.

We're just starting the mask mandates around here so we'll see if that helps out more. In my area we've been open longer than some other areas and our numbers didn't start really going up until mid-late June even with increased testing so I'm not entirely sure it's majority this thing or that thing. I think they would rather try the masks first in combination with the parklets and parking spaces but we'll see how it goes in my area.
 
In order to go to WDW, you have already signed a waiver saying that you could get COVID there and won't sue them.
 
I just filled the gas tank yesterday (first gas since March). I took an individually wrapped hand wipe and laid it on the hood, did what I had to do, used the wipe to clean my hands and open the car door, threw the wipe away in the conveniently located trash can and left. I didn’t feel there was much risk involved, since it was early morning and only one other patron there, also wearing a mask.
We were at Costco the other day and their straight up alcohol-based full liquid (so not gel) sanitizers were no limit whatsoever (probably because they aren't as desirable) but one of the things they had was a package that had I *think* 1,000 little one-time use sanitizing packets. I could see that as something someone could do either for a business or someone on a road trip for things like a gas station or whatnot where you just dispose of it and be on your way.
 
I don’t think the lawsuits would stick. Customers have to agree to a liability waiver before going, and no one is forcing them to go. CMs were given the option of refusing the first round of callbacks, so Disney isn’t forcing them to come back yet either (although economic issues might make it difficult to say no, but technically that is not on Disney). I agree the PR could come back to get them if they aren’t careful, but I am sure they are doing everything they can to protect both guests and CMs.
I agree they are doing everything they can to protect CMs and guests. So has WWE for their performers and they have had 40 of them that have got Covid. A couple of them twice.
 
Thanks all for the replies. It's interesting to see countries react differently as there is no one 'right' way. I don't agree actually with how some countries seem to plan to be closed off to the world into 2021 (NZ, Australia, Canada, Vietnam, etc) but many of their citizens seem happy with that plan.

I was listening to something yesterday that talked about the differences in societies and how that is influencing plans and outcomes. For instance, in Germany and in Japan, rule following is a characteristic of society (one which annoys me to no end, actually) and one which saw good outcomes. In Canada it is consideration of fellow citizens and the collective good according to the discussion. (That is true probably of most countries with a social welfare system)

The discussion centered around the fact that we cannot change an entire society at the pace of a pandemic because society changes very slowly vs a pandemic moves quickly, so we have to work around each society differently. That is why we are seeing such variables around the world. What worked in Vietnam would not work in the US, for example, and what worked in New Zealand won't work in Germany.
 
Thanks all for the replies. It's interesting to see countries react differently as there is no one 'right' way. I don't agree actually with how some countries seem to plan to be closed off to the world into 2021 (NZ, Australia, Canada, Vietnam, etc) but many of their citizens seem happy with that plan.

I was listening to something yesterday that talked about the differences in societies and how that is influencing plans and outcomes. For instance, in Germany and in Japan, rule following is a characteristic of society (one which annoys me to no end, actually) and one which saw good outcomes. In Canada it is consideration of fellow citizens and the collective good according to the discussion. (That is true probably of most countries with a social welfare system)

The discussion centered around the fact that we cannot change an entire society at the pace of a pandemic because society changes very slowly vs a pandemic moves quickly, so we have to work around each society differently. That is why we are seeing such variables around the world. What worked in Vietnam would not work in the US, for example, and what worked in New Zealand won't work in Germany.
Bolding is mine. I tend to agree with you. I always wonder what the long term outcomes they expect to see from this. I understand it in the short term, but they run the risk of re-infection whenever they do open back up. Look at what's happening in Australia (sorry I forget which state right now). I agree with not allowing travel in right now, but none of these nations are self sustaining enough to remain closed off forever. Or even long term honestly.
 
Bolding is mine. I tend to agree with you. I always wonder what the long term outcomes they expect to see from this. I understand it in the short term, but they run the risk of re-infection whenever they do open back up. Look at what's happening in Australia (sorry I forget which state right now). I agree with not allowing travel in right now, but none of these nations are self sustaining enough to remain closed off forever. Or even long term honestly.
Our border isn't closed totally. Its open to essential services just not for people to travel. I see nothing wrong with that.
 
Our border isn't closed totally. Its open to essential services just not for people to travel. I see nothing wrong with that.
Again, it makes sense now. It is not a long term plan. So what happens when the border does open up again? Or is Canada really just going to become a completely self-sustaining nation. Because at some point, you won't be able to have both - support/product from other countries while continuing to keep your border closed to them.
 
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