WDW and Universal. Who wins?

[Smugpugmug]

I don't think anyone should go on a ride and complain about it while on the ride, that's just rude

It happened to me on Tiana. A mother and teenage daughter sitting behind me would not stop complaining about the ride while physically on the ride. At least my sister and I waited til we got off to laugh at the bad computer animation in the old laughing place scene

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

You really don't understand me I guess. I just am not a complainer. Work in Technical customer Service. All I hear all day every day is complaining. I personally just prefer to accept the change and move on, not complain about it over and over and over again. Does anyone on here really think WDW should be what it was 15 years ago? That would be totally against what Walt stood for. There's been many additions to the park since then. Some one would like, and some one wouldn't. No sense dwelling on the ones that one doesn't like because someone else will like them. I don't ever want the parks to go back years, always move forward.

IMO (and I could be wrong for sure) I did understand what you were getting at as your main focus was on people complaining about it so I gathered you're the "said it once, then move on" sort of person in how you make your decisions. What I'm trying to get across is that you view yourself as different than people because you're not complaining about it. You view yourself as having moved on and accepted it because you're not a complainer and you tell others to do the same. You've opted to do one step further than complaining about it by preserving a ride in your mind and not riding it so you can do that. All of that is fine but I don't see you as any different than someone just voicing their feelings on an internet forum (who may or may not be opting to not ride an attraction). Both are expressing their viewpoints on the matter in different ways. You opting to not ride it has no bearing on any poster here, nor does their complaining about it have any bearing on your thought to not ride it.

Personally my criteria of will I go or not go on a ride is never going to be about what a previous attraction is no matter my feelings towards it. I base it more on "did I enjoy this attraction or not", "is the wait worth it or not" "did it trigger my motion sickness/will it trigger my motion sickness" and so on. That doesn't mean I don't have my own thoughts on a change or whatever.

As an aside I must admit my nails on a chalkboard thing is "what walt would do/want", etc. I was with you on things until you said that because evoking that, bless him, but he's been dead for close to 60 years now. It's not about what he would or wouldn't do/want/whatever. Especially in recent years with long-standing companies going away Disney, like many other companies, are working to stay relevant and with the times and they've long-since stopped thinking about Walt with respects to their business decisions.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

It happened to me on Tiana. A mother and teenage daughter sitting behind me would not stop complaining about the ride while physically on the ride. At least my sister and I waited til we got off to laugh at the bad computer animation in the old laughing place scene

That's right up there with anyone spending the ride time talking loudly or using their cell phone on high brightness or picture with a flash, although I'll separate that out if someone feels like the ride is malfunctioning or improperly loaded.

I know on various attractions people have done these sorts of things, Hall of Presidents for a while was one people would talk about doing (didn't experience that thankfully), then Pirates with the updated scene, etc. That's just rude people who choose to do those sorts of things.

 

[lowlight]

I personally just prefer to accept the change and move on, not complain about it over and over and over again. Does anyone on here really think WDW should be what it was 15 years ago?

Right, you, personally. I like to voice my opinion. Are you saying your way is the only right way? Or that it’s the better way? Again, disagree. I think that makes someone a pushover, but you do you and I’m happy to let you live your life the way you want. Did you really think I meant I wanted the parks to rewind to 15 years ago (my kids would be upset, no GotG)? Or maybe I meant the design philosophy and several other core philosophies of the parks, and not to be rude, but the skill level of the Imagineers. Either the Imagineering department had a monumental brain drain since then or they are being handcuffed by management.

I can’t imagine having a business and 100% of my customers just quietly accept things and stop coming to my business instead of saying “hey this thing sucks please change it”. You’d think they’d want to know.

 

[Aluminum Falcon]

What I’m getting from all of this is that Disney has become a sacred cow, because of this any maneuver, addition, change, or even stagnation cannot be tolerated with some. There is no give.

Universal on the other hand hasn’t created the memories, experiences, nostalgia that Disney has, so any and all change is welcome there.

If the palace you build in the clouds has burned to the ground it’s best to move on rather then search in the rubble, there is much better things to do then constantly complain on a fan board for a company you no longer like. That or create a nostalgia section so that you can all get together and shred Disney to your hearts content

 

[lowlight]

What I’m getting from all of this is that Disney has become a sacred cow, because of this any maneuver, addition, change, or even stagnation cannot be tolerated with some. There is no give.

Universal on the other hand hasn’t created the memories, experiences, nostalgia that Disney has, so any and all change is welcome there.

If the palace you build in the clouds has burned to the ground it’s best to move on rather then search in the rubble, there is much better things to do then constantly complain on a fan board for a company you no longer like. That or create a nostalgia section so that you can all get together and shred Disney to your hearts content

Thank you sir, may I have another?

 

[Jrb1979]

What I’m getting from all of this is that Disney has become a sacred cow, because of this any maneuver, addition, change, or even stagnation cannot be tolerated with some. There is no give.

Universal on the other hand hasn’t created the memories, experiences, nostalgia that Disney has, so any and all change is welcome there.

If the palace you build in the clouds has burned to the ground it’s best to move on rather then search in the rubble, there is much better things to do then constantly complain on a fan board for a company you no longer like. That or create a nostalgia section so that you can all get together and shred Disney to your hearts content

While nostalgia plays a part for Disney. The difference is with Universal since Islands opened they have been parks with different IP themed lands. Where as each Disney park had a unique theme to them. IMO the parks should be like what Animal Kingdom is. A park where the theme is throughout it. Epcot can still work if the put IP that fits the theme of World Showcase or future theme.

My biggest thing is if they want to go in the thrills direction at least do them as good as Universal. Not every ride needs to be made so littles can ride with Grandma and Grandpa

 

[croschek05]

I mean....I don't ride Runaway Railway for this very reason. I think it would be worse to go on the ride and complain about it the entire time. If you don't like, don't ride it. I rode Railway once, thought it was mediocre and said never again.

I hear ya! I will never ever step foot in that wasted space Moana's Water Playland!

 

[Douglas Dubh]

What I’m getting from all of this is that Disney has become a sacred cow, because of this any maneuver, addition, change, or even stagnation cannot be tolerated with some.

That “some” can’t tolerate change doesn’t make something a sacred cow.

 

[New Mouse]

As an aside I must admit my nails on a chalkboard thing is "what walt would do/want", etc. I was with you on things until you said that because evoking that, bless him, but he's been dead for close to 60 years now. It's not about what he would or wouldn't do/want/whatever. Especially in recent years with long-standing companies going away Disney, like many other companies, are working to stay relevant and with the times and they've long-since stopped thinking about Walt with respects to their business decisions.

I'd argue the company is flailing recently because it has lost its original core values. The old formula worked.

 

[Aluminum Falcon]

That “some” can’t tolerate change doesn’t make something a sacred cow.

How would you define it

 

[Minnie1222]

That or create a nostalgia section so that you can all get together and shred Disney to your hearts content

Excellent suggestion!

 

[Jrb1979]

How would you define it

I wouldn't say it's sacred. I do have a question for you? When did you start going to the parks and what drew you there?

For my family while Disney did draw us there, what we loved is being immersed in different lands. When we went what blew us away was things like Horizons, World of Motion, feeling like we were in a western town or a futuristic world.
That to us was the Disney difference. Exploring Tom Sawyer Island was something different and unique. The original Fantasyland was a lot better than today with Snow White, Mr Toad and 20,000 leagues under the sea.

The worst part besides it going away is how many of you dismiss it and say get over it.

 

[Minnie1222]

My biggest thing is if they want to go in the thrills direction at least do them as good as Universal. Not every ride needs to be made so littles can ride with Grandma and Grandpa.

I'm sure Disney can build a thrill ride like Velocicoaster if they want to. But do we really want the rowdy Universal crowd here? I go to WDW and Universal regularly. The energy and the guests are different.

Edited: Please replace the word "rowdy" with any word that conveys an image of high energy, boisterous fun in a positive way, because that was my intention when I used such word.

 

[Smugpugmug]

I'm sure Disney can build a thrill ride like Velocicoaster if they want to. But do we really want the rowdy Universal crowd here? I go to WDW and Universal regularly. The energy and the guests are different.

Eh, I've witnessed more stupid drunk people at Disney than Universal. I've even seen people pregame in the MK parking lot lol

 

[Douglas Dubh]

How would you define it

I’d say if at least a large majority oppose any change. It’s not like people are saying they don’t ever want to see the rivers of America changed - they have different reasons for opposing this change.

 

[Aluminum Falcon]

I wouldn't say it's sacred. I do have a question for you? When did you start going to the parks and what drew you there?

For my family while Disney did draw us there, what we loved is being immersed in different lands. When we went what blew us away was things like Horizons, World of Motion, feeling like we were in a western town or a futuristic world.
That to us was the Disney difference. Exploring Tom Sawyer Island was something different and unique. The original Fantasyland was a lot better than today with Snow White, Mr Toad and 20,000 leagues under the sea.

The worst part besides it going away is how many of you dismiss it and say get over it.

I’ve been going since I was a kid. As a kid it was a place to let go and immerse yourself into everything via Disney storytelling, we didn’t have a ton of money growing up and my parents worked their butts off to pull off Disney vacations. Are there attraction near and dear to me that have gone, of course, but that’s life and it’s ok. As an adult I can still look back on all those memories and know they’re mine and no one can touch them, and it’s ok if I can’t physically visit all of them anymore. I am completely enveloped in my daughter now, and all I want is for her to have the same chance at the experience I had as a kid, and I believe Disney still does that. Are things just the way my 10 year old self left them, no. Are they exactly where they need to be for my daughter, yes. She loves every minute of being at the parks and she has been nonstop talking about our trip in the next few weeks. As a parent that’s all I can ask for, so for me things have shifted from when I was a kid to now and it’s all good.

I believe the park if meant to transform throughout your life and you’re meant to see it differently from childhood to adulthood to your golden years. That’s the “magic” Disney provides

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Eh, I've witnessed more stupid drunk people at Disney than Universal. I've even seen people pregame in the MK parking lot lol

Not to mention drinking around the world for Epcot of which Disney has two festivals spanning 6 months out of the year.

 

[Aluminum Falcon]

I’d say if at least a large majority oppose any change. It’s not like people are saying they don’t ever want to see the rivers of America changed - they have different reasons for opposing this change.

They have different reasons that all end at the same point. For literally years now on these boards people talk about how Disneys days are numbered because of EU, Disney announces its own major additions and the same group talks about how it shouldn’t be done, it’s unimpressive, and destroying dear old nostalgia, ect. Same song and dance just a different way of saying it.

My favorite is watching all of those people agree with everyone else’s points, because the whole goal is to put Disney in their place for some weird reason. It seems like people are really insecure that Disney may have done something people will like so they are doing anything they can to tamp it down. Again it’s weird going on a fan site to reminisce about a company you used to enjoy.

If I used to love McDonald’s and now can’t stand them (or dislike what they’ve become) I wouldn’t hang out in their dining room telling all the people who ate there how awesome they used to be, just weird

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I'm sure Disney can build a thrill ride like Velocicoaster if they want to. But do we really want the rowdy Universal crowd here? I go to WDW and Universal regularly. The energy and the guests are different.

I'm totally with you about the energy and guests being different but from your comment we seem to have the complete opposite of the impressions of people.

Side note what about having a ride like VelociCoaster makes people rowdy? Not seeing a connection there nor a connection to high thrill rides. If you look to Disney they've had a fair few amount of brawls in recent years...all with tamer attractions, MK seems to get it a lot, the place that has the most tame rides.