Warning! New FP Limits for Passholders with Multiple Stays - NOT Split Stays: READ Post #484

[anomamatt]

I have been following this thread for a few days now, because I have several factors working against me. My husband and I have Gold Annual Passes (but they have not been activated yet, just inserted into MDE), and we have a 2 night stay at Animal Kingdom Lodge at the beginning of June. Then the two of us, along with our 2 kids (who have the Discovery tickets) have 9 nights booked at Shades of Green three days after we check out of AKL.
Theoretically, because of the new limitations with split stays I was expecting my husband and I to only be able to book 7 days' worth of Fastpasses with our Annual Passes.
Then, I was also only expecting to get 7 days of Fastpasses for my kids because we are staying at Shades of Green and it's considered a Disney Springs resort.
A few days ago, I booked one day of passes for my husband and myself for our AKL portion. Then today at the 60 day window for our Shades stay, I was able to book Fastpasses for every day. My husband and I now have a total of 9 days of passes and my kids have 8. I have absolutely no idea how this happened, but now my fear is that our "extra" days will go away. Will they disappear once we activate our tickets at the start of our trip? If that's the case, will Disney drop them automatically or give us a chance to choose which days are removed? We have a hard to get FP on our "8th" day of passes and I'd hate to lose it.

What you experienced is how it works. There is a lot of confusion on this thread. SOG seems to be “true Disney” when it comes to FP booking. You don’t have anything to worry about!

 

[amazingact21]

What you experienced is how it works. There is a lot of confusion on this thread. SOG seems to be “true Disney” when it comes to FP booking. You don’t have anything to worry about!

That is good to hear. And the split stay at AKL isn't triggering the 7 day limitation? That was what I thought was going to get us when it came to the Fastpasses.

 

[quandrea]

Hi,
I usually stay at Disney onsite for 21 days or more. I don't do split stays usually. On a continuous stay with my annual pass. I can book up to 14 days of fastpasses in advance.
After that, I can add another day fastpass on the next day, and so on, each day adding the another fastpass until my entire stay has fastpasses for each day. This is the way it has always worked for me in the past.
I hope this info helps someone
Adam

Can those fourteen days of fp be anytime during your 21d stay?

 

[anomamatt]

That is good to hear. And the split stay at AKL isn't triggering the 7 day limitation? That was what I thought was going to get us when it came to the Fastpasses.

No, the problem isn’t related to a 7-day limit. When people have two non-connected stays within 60 days of one another, the second FP window isn’t opening.

 

[anomamatt]

Can those fourteen days of fp be anytime during your 21d stay?

Yes. But remember the FP window is a maximum rolling 74. So you will have to wait 7 days after your FP window opens to book the 21st day.

 

[Farro]

To recap for the new arrivals to this thread,

A couple weeks ago, an update to MDE fixed the split stay issue. However, it created the problem (new rule?) that APs were now limited to 7 days of FPs in a 60 day window, even if they were onsite and especially if you had multiple stays. Some people were able to book FPs for the full length of a longer onsite trip, up to the 14 day max, but not everyone. The second stay window seems to only open once you check out of the first stay (or some have been finding it closes once you hit 7 days of FP between the two trips - that was what happened to me).

Some have had success getting the AP support line or DSS CMs to book the extra days of FPs, some have been told no you only get 7 days. IT and the regular help desk CMs seem to be sticking to the 7 days in 60 rule pretty consistently.

IMO, Disney is saying that APs should either visit less or stay offsite more.

I don’t think anyone has or had a problem booking up to 14 days of FP with one continuous stay. I can book >7, no problem. Have not seen any reports otherwise, except when CLFP or DS hotels are involved.

The problem isn’t really an FP limit. It’s that the second FP booking window isn’t opening.

Thanks!

And I posted a few pages back regarding the 2nd window not opening - people just choose to skip reading info.

Sorry that I'm confused.

We made the decision to buy one AP and one hopper ticket for our 10 day stay next May (2020). No other trips booked. This is the first time I'll have had an AP and it feels like I may have made wrong decision.

When my 60 days open, with my situation, will I be able to make fast passes for all 10 days on my fast pass day? Or only 7 for the AP and 10 for the hopper?

Totally starting to regret buying this thing!

 

[Farro]

No, the problem isn’t related to a 7-day limit. When people have two non-connected stays within 60 days of one another, the second FP window isn’t opening.

I think this is my answer? I won't have to deal with a 7 day limit when we make fast passes for our 10 day on-site trip in 2020 because it's our only trip on the books. I can use my AP and book all 10 days.

 

[PPFlight75]

I’m curious about this. If your First stay has fewer than 7 days of FPs, will you be able to have your Second window open? We need confirmation of this. I had to wait until my first stay completed for my second stay to open, but that’s because I had 9 days of FPs. It opened the morning after my POR stay finished. But, if my first stay had less than 7 days, would it have opened?

If you check-in for your 12 night stay on the day you check out of your 5-night stay, I think your whole stay will be open.

Yes. I think your entire window will open on 6/29.

Thank you! I though I read that the split stay FP problem was fixed but now I thought I was reading that since we are passholders, we can’t book our entire 10 days across our split stay.

 

[Mome Rath]

I think this is my answer? I won't have to deal with a 7 day limit when we make fast passes for our 10 day on-site trip in 2020 because it's our only trip on the books. I can use my AP and book all 10 days.

Yes, as long as it is an on-site continuous stay with no other stays within 60 days you should be fine.

 

[PPFlight75]

To recap for the new arrivals to this thread,

In the past, APs with onsite stays could book for their full trip at the 60 day mark. This included split stays and multiple stays within a 60 days period.

Offsite, you could only book at 30, and you only got 7 days of FPs.

Add-ons like CL FPs or stays at “sort of Disney” hotels like those at DS or Swan/Dolphin could sometimes mess up the onsite booking rules.

About a month ago maybe, people started having splits stays counted as two separate trips with two booking windows. That update also closed the rolling 60 day FP window for onsite stays.

A couple weeks ago, an update to MDE fixed the split stay issue. However, it created the problem (new rule?) that APs were now limited to 7 days of FPs in a 60 day window, even if they were onsite and especially if you had multiple stays. Some people were able to book FPs for the full length of a longer onsite trip, up to the 14 day max, but not everyone. The second stay window seems to only open once you check out of the first stay (or some have been finding it closes once you hit 7 days of FP between the two trips - that was what happened to me).

Some have had success getting the AP support line or DSS CMs to book the extra days of FPs, some have been told no you only get 7 days. IT and the regular help desk CMs seem to be sticking to the 7 days in 60 rule pretty consistently.

IMO, Disney is saying that APs should either visit less or stay offsite more.

Earlier in the thread, the info for George K was posted if people want to send complaints right to the top. ;-)

Thank you for the recap!
So it seems that if I have 2 stays, the 7 day rule would apply, but if my 2 stays are part of a split stay onsite, then my booking window opens up for my entire trip?
Hope I’ve got that right. This really is a bummer for folks making several trips.

 

[Farro]

Thanks @Mome Rath !

 

[anomamatt]

We made the decision to buy one AP and one hopper ticket for our 10 day stay next May (2020). No other trips booked. This is the first time I'll have had an AP and it feels like I may have made wrong decision.

When my 60 days open, with my situation, will I be able to make fast passes for all 10 days on my fast pass day? Or only 7 for the AP and 10 for the hopper?

As of right now: Provided you are staying in a Disney-owned hotel (doesn't include DS hotels), then you will be able to book 10 days of FPs on the AP. (And 10 on the 10 day PH). **Unless something changes, that is**

 

[bookbabe626]

Thanks!

And I posted a few pages back regarding the 2nd window not opening - people just choose to skip reading info.

The second window not opening seems to be directly related to the FP limit somehow. My second trip window opened, but closed again once I hit 7 days of FPs between the two trips. I wanted 4 days first trip, 4 days second trip, but ended up with 4 and 3 due to the second window closing. I’m assuming if I’d had a full 7 days (or more) on the first trip, the second window wouldn’t have opened at all. I’m looking forward to seeing if the second window reopens once I use my first day of FPs at Easter, or if it doesn’t reopen until I check out of my resort. Either way, it’s bleeping annoying, and unfairly penalizes APholders.

 

[Farro]

thanks @anomamatt !

 

[bookbabe626]

No, the problem isn’t related to a 7-day limit. When people have two non-connected stays within 60 days of one another, the second FP window isn’t opening.

See, I’m not entirely sure about that. My second window opened. It just closed again when I hit a total of 7 days of FPs between the two trips. But I’m not willing to cancel a day of the first trip’s FPs to check and see if that reopens a day of the second trip... ;-)

 

[bookbabe626]

Thank you for the recap!
So it seems that if I have 2 stays, the 7 day rule would apply, but if my 2 stays are part of a split stay onsite, then my booking window opens up for my entire trip?
Hope I’ve got that right. This really is a bummer for folks making several trips.

That seems to be true. It’s only when the trips are separated but still within 60 days of each other that the second window doesn’t open (or closes once you hit 7 days of FPs).

 

[anomamatt]

The second window not opening seems to be directly related to the FP limit. My second trip window opened, but closed again once I hit 7 days of FPs between the two trips. I wanted 4 days first trip, 4 days second trip, but ended up with 4 and 3 due to the second window closing. I’m assuming if I’d had a full 7 days (or more) on the first trip, the second window wouldn’t have opened at all. I’m looking forward to seeing if the second window reopens once I use my first day of FPs at Easter, or if it doesn’t reopen until I check out of my resort. Either way, it’s bleeping annoying, and unfairly penalizes APholders.

If your first trip was 10 days long and your second was 6, MDE would let you book 10 days of FP. (you *should* be able to book 14 days). The 7-day limit is not the issue.

As of right now, your second window won't open until you checkout of your 1st stay.

 

[hiroMYhero]

The second window not opening seems to be directly related to the FP limit. My second trip window opened, but closed again once I hit 7 days of FPs between the two trips. I wanted 4 days first trip, 4 days second trip, but ended up with 4 and 3 due to the second window closing. I’m assuming if I’d had a full 7 days (or more) on the first trip, the second window wouldn’t have opened at all. I’m looking forward to seeing if the second window reopens once I use my first day of FPs at Easter, or if it doesn’t reopen until I check out of my resort. Either way, it’s bleeping annoying, and unfairly penalizes APholders.

Perhaps @vinotinto can share experiences from his recent stay. Did any days open up as one day of FPs were used or was it only when he actually checked out of the room. Vino’s recent post seems to confirm actual checkout.

I think you are experiencing a combo of a glitch plus the hard close of Stay#1’s window. Some posters haven’t even been able to book their total of 7 across 2 stays based on the hard close of the window.

Only true Split Stays are open for a complete booking window and the title of the thread is confusing those with Splits.

 

[anomamatt]

See, I’m not entirely sure about that. My second window opened. It just closed again when I hit a total of 7 days of FPs between the two trips. But I’m not willing to cancel a day of the first trip’s FPs to check and see if that reopens a day of the second trip... ;-)

Can you post a picture of your FP window?

 

[PPFlight75]

That seems to be true. It’s only when the trips are separated but still within 60 days of each other that the second window doesn’t open (or closes once you hit 7 days of FPs).

Thank you!