Warning! New FP Limits for Passholders with Multiple Stays - NOT Split Stays: READ Post #484

[jkohmi]

It used to be that AP holders with resort stays had the exact same benefits for FPs as regular ticket holders. However, something has changed in the FP system. It works properly for AP holders on their first stays -- 60 days out w/a 14 day limit. But, if you have another stay that is within 60 days of that first stay your window WILL NOT open until you check out of your first stay. So, let's say you have a 5 day stay in early May and another stay in June, you WILL NOT be able to make ANY FPs for June until your May stay ends.

To confirm, are people seeing that the second stay does not open until the first stay ends even if you're under 7 days of FPs from the first stay (so, in your example, 5 days of FPs booked in May doesn't allow even 2 days of the June stay to open)? I have stays 27 days apart with FPs for my first stay opening in a few days, and I'm trying to figure out if not booking any FPs at all for that stay would allow my second stay to open on time or if just the fact that I have two stays close together linked to MDX is going to screw up the second window. I don't really NEED FPs for the first stay. I do need them for the second. Ugh.

 

[quandrea]

To confirm, the second stay does not open until the first stay ends even if you're under 7 days of FPs from the first stay (so, in your example, 5 days of FPs booked in May doesn't allow even 2 days of the June stay to open)? I have stays 27 days apart with FPs for my first stay opening in a few days, and I'm trying to figure out if not booking any FPs at all for that stay would allow my second stay to open on time or if just the fact that I have two stays close together linked to MDX is going to screw up the second window. I don't really NEED FPs for the first stay. I do need them for the second. Ugh.

This is awful. I have a five day stay followed immediately by a twelve night stay. That means the five stay stay needs to end, giving me zero days advance fp planning. I’m really getting sick of being angered by Disney on an almost daily basis.

 

[Brett Wyman]

Without reading all 13 pags what was Disney trying to "fix" by adding these limitations?

 

[Skippyboo]

I ran it a problem last year. I was in beginning of 5 night stay at Dolphin in late September. I had a 3 night trip at Pop booked on Friday, Saturday & Sunday after Thanksgiving. My Nov FP opened during my current trip. I could book FP for the first 2 days but not the third. Called the AP line, was basically told I had to use my current FP first. So once I used my three FP that Monday, I could then book the Sunday November FP.

 

[quandrea]

I ran it a problem last year. I was in beginning of 5 night stay at Dolphin in late September. I had a 3 night trip at Pop booked on Friday, Saturday & Sunday after Thanksgiving. My Nov FP opened during my current trip. I could book FP for the first 2 days but not the third. Called the AP line, was basically told I had to use my current FP first. So once I used my three FP that Monday, I could then book the Sunday November FP.

Which goes against the stated rule and is entirely unfair and unreasonable.

 

[PPFlight75]

We are APs and we have a split stay coming up 6/29-7/3 and 7/3-7/9. Will I be allowed to make FPs for my 10 night stay or will I only be allowed to make 7?

 

[branfam]

I am an AP holder. I booked this morning for our June 6-15 stay. I was able to book fast passes for 8 days I actually had 2 reservations for the same resort. 1 night followed by 8 nights. Technically today was only the beginning of the 1st night's window. I am thinking the fact that I am booked at the same resort may have impacted my booking window positively. At first I was confused because the last time I booked fast passes the entire 60 window opened up at 7 am but today at 7 am it seemed I could only book for 30 days. I moved the calendar forward to June and only my trip dates were highlighted as able to select fast passes. There is hope.

 

[vinotinto]

To confirm, are people seeing that the second stay does not open until the first stay ends even if you're under 7 days of FPs from the first stay (so, in your example, 5 days of FPs booked in May doesn't allow even 2 days of the June stay to open)? I have stays 27 days apart with FPs for my first stay opening in a few days, and I'm trying to figure out if not booking any FPs at all for that stay would allow my second stay to open on time or if just the fact that I have two stays close together linked to MDX is going to screw up the second window. I don't really NEED FPs for the first stay. I do need them for the second. Ugh.

I’m curious about this. If your First stay has fewer than 7 days of FPs, will you be able to have your Second window open? We need confirmation of this. I had to wait until my first stay completed for my second stay to open, but that’s because I had 9 days of FPs. It opened the morning after my POR stay finished. But, if my first stay had less than 7 days, would it have opened?

This is awful. I have a five day stay followed immediately by a twelve night stay. That means the five stay stay needs to end, giving me zero days advance fp planning. I’m really getting sick of being angered by Disney on an almost daily basis.

If you check-in for your 12 night stay on the day you check out of your 5-night stay, I think your whole stay will be open.

We are APs and we have a split stay coming up 6/29-7/3 and 7/3-7/9. Will I be allowed to make FPs for my 10 night stay or will I only be allowed to make 7?

Yes. I think your entire window will open on 6/29.

 

[quandrea]

I’m curious about this. If your First stay has fewer than 7 days of FPs, will you be able to have your Second window open? We need confirmation of this.

If you check-in for your 12 night stay on the day you check out of your 5-night stay, I think your whole stay will be open.

Yes. I think your entire window will open on 6/29.

Will it matter that my five day stay and twelve night stay are at different resorts?

 

[vinotinto]

Will it matter that my five day stay and twelve night stay are at different resorts?

I don’t think that matters. What matters is that it is a”continuous stay.” You will be allowed 14 days of FPs though, not 18.

 

[bookbabe626]

To recap for the new arrivals to this thread,

In the past, APs with onsite stays could book for their full trip at the 60 day mark. This included split stays and multiple stays within a 60 days period.

Offsite, you could only book at 30, and you only got 7 days of FPs.

Add-ons like CL FPs or stays at “sort of Disney” hotels like those at DS or Swan/Dolphin could sometimes mess up the onsite booking rules.

About a month ago maybe, people started having splits stays counted as two separate trips with two booking windows. That update also closed the rolling 60 day FP window for onsite stays.

A couple weeks ago, an update to MDE fixed the split stay issue. However, it created the problem (new rule?) that APs were now limited to 7 days of FPs in a 60 day window if they were onsite and had multiple stays. Most people were able to book FPs for the full length of a longer onsite trip, up to the 14 day max. But if you had two separate trips, the second stay window seems to only open once you check out of the first stay (or some have been finding it closes once you hit 7 days of FP between the two trips - that was what happened to me).

Some have had success getting the AP support line or DSS CMs to book the extra days of FPs, some have been told no you only get 7 days. IT and the regular help desk CMs seem to be sticking to the 7 days in 60 rule pretty consistently.

IMO, Disney is saying that APs should either visit less or stay offsite more.

Earlier in the thread, the info for George K was posted if people want to send complaints right to the top. ;-)

 

[vinotinto]

@bookbabe626 - excellent summary, thank you!

 

[quandrea]

I don’t think that matters. What matters is that it is a”continuous stay.” You will be allowed 14 days of FPs though, not 18.

That should be fine. Thank you. I’m still in a mess with my November/December trips though.

 

[anomamatt]

A couple weeks ago, an update to MDE fixed the split stay issue. However, it created the problem (new rule?) that APs were now limited to 7 days of FPs in a 60 day window, even if they were onsite and especially if you had multiple stays. Some people were able to book FPs for the full length of a longer onsite trip, up to the 14 day max, but not everyone. The second stay window seems to only open once you check out of the first stay (or some have been finding it closes once you hit 7 days of FP between the two trips - that was what happened to me.

I don’t think anyone has or had a problem booking up to 14 days of FP with one continuous stay. I can book >7, no problem. Have not seen any reports otherwise, except when CLFP or DS hotels are involved.

The problem isn’t really an FP limit. It’s that the second FP booking window isn’t opening.

 

[hiroMYhero]

Will it matter that my five day stay and twelve night stay are at different resorts?

No. You have an onsite to onsite Split Stay and the booking window opens for the first 14 consecutive days.

 

[hiroMYhero]

I don’t think anyone has or had a problem booking up to 14 days of FP with one continuous stay. I can book >7, no problem. Have not seen any reports otherwise, except when CLFP or DS hotels are involved.

The problem isn’t really an FP limit. It’s that the second FP booking window isn’t opening.

I know someone who fixed this by connecting their reservations together with a long throwaway. The system then let book up to 14 days of FP.

anoma - Resort Reservations booked to open FP booking with the intent to Cancel at a predetermined date, can’t be discussed per Admin rules for the board.

 

[anomamatt]

anoma - Resort Reservations booked to open FP booking with the intent to Cancel at a predetermined date, can’t be discussed per Admin rules for the board.

Sorry. I edited my post.

I wanted to provide evidence that it’s not a FP limit, but rather it’s the second window not opening where the problem lies. But I know the rules, and I apologize.

 

[hiroMYhero]

Sorry. I edited my post.

I wanted to provide evidence that it’s not a FP limit, but rather it’s the second window not opening where the problem lies. But I know the rules, and I apologize.

Thanks!

And I posted a few pages back regarding the 2nd window not opening - people just choose to skip reading info.

 

[amazingact21]

I have been following this thread for a few days now, because I have several factors working against me. My husband and I have Gold Annual Passes (but they have not been activated yet, just inserted into MDE), and we have a 2 night stay at Animal Kingdom Lodge at the beginning of June. Then the two of us, along with our 2 kids (who have the Discovery tickets) have 9 nights booked at Shades of Green three days after we check out of AKL.
Theoretically, because of the new limitations with split stays I was expecting my husband and I to only be able to book 7 days' worth of Fastpasses with our Annual Passes.
Then, I was also only expecting to get 7 days of Fastpasses for my kids because we are staying at Shades of Green and it's considered a Disney Springs resort.
A few days ago, I booked one day of passes for my husband and myself for our AKL portion. Then today at the 60 day window for our Shades stay, I was able to book Fastpasses for every day. My husband and I now have a total of 9 days of passes and my kids have 8. I have absolutely no idea how this happened, but now my fear is that our "extra" days will go away. Will they disappear once we activate our tickets at the start of our trip? If that's the case, will Disney drop them automatically or give us a chance to choose which days are removed? We have a hard to get FP on our "8th" day of passes and I'd hate to lose it.

 

[anomamatt]

Thanks!

And I posted a few pages back regarding the 2nd window not opening - people just choose to skip reading info.

Indeed. But it certainly doesn’t help that many CMs don’t understand why it’s happening either, and are giving out false information about the 7-day FP limit when people call in.