Warning a SPOLIER POST! At Worlds End: comments, questions??

[TwinMom7]

For what it's worth-I think they left the ending kind of vague on purpose. I am kind of leaning toward the "Will is released from the curse" group, based on the flash of green light at the end...Give us POTC 4!!!!

I'm not totally sure I agree with the concept that Will is released from the curse. How do you explain the flash of green when he leaves Elizabeth on the beach after their romantic enounter? As the FD sails away into the sunset, there's a flash of green and the ship disappears.

Ten years later, when her and her son are waiting on the cliff, we see the flash of green and the FD appears.

The discussion is made during the movie that the flash of green indicates a soul being released. But the flash occurs when he leaves her AND when he returns.

Confusing......

On the other hand, I'm also HOPING for a POC4!!!

 

[Narnian_Princess]

I'm not totally sure I agree with the concept that Will is released from the curse. How do you explain the flash of green when he leaves Elizabeth on the beach after their romantic enounter? As the FD sails away into the sunset, there's a flash of green and the ship disappears.

Ten years later, when her and her son are waiting on the cliff, we see the flash of green and the FD appears.

The discussion is made during the movie that the flash of green indicates a soul being released. But the flash occurs when he leaves her AND when he returns.

Confusing......

On the other hand, I'm also HOPING for a POC4!!!

I just got a thought; what if the flash of green when Will disappears with the Dutchman is Davy Jones' soul being released?

 

[TwinMom7]

I just got a thought; what if the flash of green when Will disappears with the Dutchman is Davy Jones' soul being released?

Well, that's a real possibility!!!!!

I'm hoping that when the DVD comes out with the deleated scenes, that might answer a few more questions.

 

[Tiggerlover91]

Did anyone else notice that kissing Elizabeth results in the death of the kisser? Jack, Norrington, Will, Chow Yun Fat's character...

Oooo...that's pathetic. I don't think I like her anymore. I never really caught that.

 

[SandraVB79]

I don't think it's in English. I was really paying attention the second time to try to figure it out. (I have a hard time understanding her a lot of the time.) Really, it sounds like she just screams something indecipherable.

It was Englsih. We have subtitles with it, an dit was translated, but can't remember what she said. But she definitely said something in English. IF I go back to watch it, I'll write it down

Just why did Lord Beckett say, "Finally" when they started singing in the first scene? I feel silly asking because I have a feeling I will have to give myself a "dope slap" for asking, but it has been driving me looney all day.

Because he knew about the council, and he knew the song would bring them together. He also thought he could overwin them, be captain of the FD and rule over the sea!

I loved this movie! I did not stick around for the last seen but now I will need to go back and see it! I never knew they did that for these movies. Now I feel gipped. lol.

They also did that in one of the Shreks (or even in both) and in the one with the chickens... what's it called again??? The one where Mel Gibson is the voice of the rooster.

As she is released from her bonds, however, she is told that Davey Jones is the one who "betrayed her." How?

Anyone else wonder why Tia Dalma never showed for Davey Jones? Could she have been with Bonnie Jack?

Davy Jones betrayed her by asking the council of bonding her in a human body.

Well unless you call that scene with the shrunken head on a rope Jack's mother....EWWW!!

It made me think of the heads at the end of the Jungle Cruise!

I think that just carries on the Disney Tradition of no Moms. Ariel, Bambi (well, he had her for a while....), Cinderella, Belle, Nemo, etc.....

Disney has nothing to do with there being no moms in many of those stories. Those stories existed long before Disney existed, and there were no moms then either.

 

[mickeyfan2]

I'm not totally sure I agree with the concept that Will is released from the curse. How do you explain the flash of green when he leaves Elizabeth on the beach after their romantic enounter? As the FD sails away into the sunset, there's a flash of green and the ship disappears.

Ten years later, when her and her son are waiting on the cliff, we see the flash of green and the FD appears.

The discussion is made during the movie that the flash of green indicates a soul being released. But the flash occurs when he leaves her AND when he returns.

Confusing......

On the other hand, I'm also HOPING for a POC4!!!

I agree with you on the green flash. That is how I interpreted it.

 

[mickeyfan2]

Disney has nothing to do with there being no moms in many of those stories. Those stories existed long before Disney existed, and there were no moms then either.

ITA. When these stories were written it was far more likely, due to deaths in childbirth, for a child to lose a mother than a father. Thus the stories were written wrt the life that was common at the time.

 

[eatmypixiedust]

This thread rocks! There were a few things I didn't quite understand when watching this film and most of your responses have helped to clarify things.

One thing I too didn't quite understand was how Elizabeth's father died. If he had stabbed the heart I would think that Davy Jones would die and the Flying Dutchman would immediately recquire a new captain (just as what Will had done).

I didn't hear what Calypso was saying when she was big either. I was sitting in the 3rd row in the theatre and could not understand her. My bf didn't catch what she was saying either.

Oh and I laughed so hard when the midget fired the gun and fell back into the hole! That cracked me up!!

 

[eatmypixiedust]

Will's job was done. He was returning to Elizabeth and his son. Another poster pointed me in the right direction.....

From Wikipedia:
After the credits, in a scene captioned "Ten Years Later," a young boy approximately ten years of age is seen singing "A Pirates Life for Me" as Elizabeth walks behind him. It is implied that this is the child of Will and Elizabeth. The sun sets followed by a green flash and Will, on the mast of The Dutchman, sails towards the shore. According to the film's writers, the curse of The Dutchman is broken if, after the ten years, the captain's lover reamains faithful. The final post-credit scene suggests that Will can now return to land, as Elizabeth has remained faithful. The green flash, which symbolises a soul returning from the dead, supports this theory. Apparently, a scene of dialogue between Tia Dalma/Calypso and Davy Jones, which explained this, was cut from the film, leading to confusion about the ending.

My bf and I missed that because we left the theatre at the end of the movie. I wasn't sure if they would show anything. Darn!

 

[briar_rose_59]

One thing I too didn't quite understand was how Elizabeth's father died. If he had stabbed the heart I would think that Davy Jones would die and the Flying Dutchman would immediately recquire a new captain (just as what Will had done).

I was under the impression Beckett had him killed.

I didn't hear what Calypso was saying when she was big either. I was sitting in the 3rd row in the theatre and could not understand her. My bf didn't catch what she was saying either.

Read somewhere she said "fool" (or atleast that's what the novel version of the movie says), but since she was so big, it was ridiculously hard to understand.[/QUOTE]

 

[TwinMom7]

Will's job was done. He was returning to Elizabeth and his son. Another poster pointed me in the right direction.....

From Wikipedia:
After the credits, in a scene captioned "Ten Years Later," a young boy approximately ten years of age is seen singing "A Pirates Life for Me" as Elizabeth walks behind him. It is implied that this is the child of Will and Elizabeth. The sun sets followed by a green flash and Will, on the mast of The Dutchman, sails towards the shore. According to the film's writers, the curse of The Dutchman is broken if, after the ten years, the captain's lover reamains faithful. The final post-credit scene suggests that Will can now return to land, as Elizabeth has remained faithful. The green flash, which symbolises a soul returning from the dead, supports this theory. Apparently, a scene of dialogue between Tia Dalma/Calypso and Davy Jones, which explained this, was cut from the film, leading to confusion about the ending.

I like this concept, but if this is true then who is now the captain of the FD? Wouldn't someone have had to stab Will's heart for him to be "free" and that couldn't have happened because Elizabeth had the chest.

I believe earlier in the film it was stated that the Flying Dutchman HAD to have a captain.

I'm not arguing this resolution - because this is what I'd LOVE to see happen. Just not sure it fits with the explanations given in the film's dialog.

 

[Conservative Hippie]

I watched POTC1 last night and noticed something--as POTC1 opens, the first line of dialogue is Elizabeth singing "yo ho yo ho" etc. As POTC3 closes, the last line of dialogue is Will Jr. singing the same song.

 

[fey_spirit]

Yea - Yaaa! - Save a ship ride a Pirate...
Gotta love the number of ways you can mangle that Big & Rich song

On a serious note - I think it's because at least the Pirates have a code that they follow (And goddess save em from Jack's daddy if they don't)... where as Beckett's only code is what makes "Good Business" - and even then only what makes good business for him. The only person Beckett had any mind towards making safer - was himself and his company.

Funny how the we, the audience, automatically sided with the pirates (the thieves/bad guys) when Beckett might have actually been making the seas safer! HA!

Everybody who loves Jack Sparrow say "Yea-yaaa!"

 

[Glynis]

I've been wondering about the Flying Dutchman having a captain. Bootstrap Bill stays on the Dutchman with Will, even though his is one of the souls that would have been ferried away. He says something to the effect that he can fulfill a vow/promise this way. Why isn't it possible for Will to confer the captaincy on Bootstrap at the end of the 10 years so that he can be with Elizabeth?

 

[M&M's]

I watched POTC1 last night and noticed something--as POTC1 opens, the first line of dialogue is Elizabeth singing "yo ho yo ho" etc. As POTC3 closes, the last line of dialogue is Will Jr. singing the same song.

Other things I picked up on.

In POTC1, Jack said to Elizabeth right before he fell off the cliff at the end, "it would never have worked between us darling." In POTC3, she said basically the same back to him before leaving the ship.

Did you also notice that the last line of dialogue from Captain Jack was the same for POTC1 and POTC3 (which not including the scene after the credits, was the last line of dialogue in both movies).

"Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho"

 

[Narnian_Princess]

Other things I picked up on.

In POTC1, Jack said to Elizabeth right before he fell off the cliff at the end, "it would never have worked between us darling." In POTC3, she said basically the same back to him before leaving the ship.

Did you also notice that the last line of dialogue from Captain Jack was the same for POTC1 and POTC3 (which not including the scene after the credits, was the last line of dialogue in both movies).

"Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho"

Yep, noticed them. Those kinds of things just make everything feel so complete. Love 'em!

 

[Conservative Hippie]

Did you also notice that the last line of dialogue from Captain Jack was the same for POTC1 and POTC3 (which not including the scene after the credits, was the last line of dialogue in both movies).

"Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho"

I didn't notice that one! Very cool!

 

[Soot]

"Filming finished on January 10, 2007 in Molokai,[16] and the first assembly cut was three hours.[17] Twenty minutes were removed, not including end credits, though producer Jerry Bruckheimer maintained that the long running time was needed to make the final battle work in terms of build-up.[18] One scene cut explained that if Calypso had greeted Davy Jones after his ten years of ferrying dead souls, then he would have been freed of his duty: in turn, Will is freed of his captaincy as Elizabeth remains faithful to him ten years later.[19]"

 

[DznyLvr2005]

oh I'm so glad my post got so many responses... I will have to read the Wikipedia part like someone else said. (Wikipedia is awesome!)

 

[TPCShauna]

I didn't really love it but I AM starting to feel better about it after reading the Wikipedia info.

I basically had issues with continuity. Davy Jones cut out his heart AFTER Calypso betrayed him because he didn't want to live with the pain of loving her. However, after Will "killed" DJ, Bootstrap cut out his heart immediately. In theory, that should not have been necessary because he still had Elizabeth's love.

Not to throw a damper but what did Bootstrap mean when he said one day on land and 10 years on sea and she can't follow where we go if that didn't mean that Will was stuck as the captain of the FD forever?

I love the ride clip but hated that Captain Jack was not his usual witty self at all. I mean, we only got one "savvy" in the whole movie. The witty repartee was just not there as much in this one.

I think I will feel better after watching it again and applying the ending of Will coming home to Elizabeth forever instead of just his next day. I, too, can't wait for POTC4.