Viva la ZELL!

[WillyJ]

ThAnswr,

As a matter of fact, I do know of this one southern lawyer who might just want to ask Mr. Cheney a question or two about those defense cuts in the next couple months . .


He might also ask about these facts as well:

US Asks UN to Approve Iraq Occupation

Saturday, May 10, 2003

The United States and its allies asked the UN Security Council on Friday to give its stamp of approval to their occupation of Iraq and sought permission to use revenue from the world's second-largest oil reserves to rebuild the war-battered country.

The draft notes that Washington and London sent a letter to the council president Thursday recognizing their responsibilities and obligations under international law "as occupying powers."

The letter marks the first time the United States has referred to its role in Iraq as an "occupying power," a status governed by the Geneva Conventions that details wide-ranging responsibilities for the Iraqi people. Washington had called itself a "liberating force.. . "

and. .

". . . In 2001, Bush said: "Precisely because America is powerful, we must be sensitive about expressing our power and influence." And this month, he said: "We need to be very sensitive" in balancing individual rights and intelligence gathering. " Full Story




Oh, and as for posting the comment concerning the fact Miller at one time was a segregationist- I posted that (along with the other examples) to show that Miller going against his party and doing a complete about-face on an issue are nothing new. . I don't feel it's like the Swift Boat Ads simply because it's true. . but although it actually shows a postivie change on an issue, in retrospect it does appear to be a cheap shot and I probably should have left it out.

And thank you for your service to our country ThAnswr- in both instances.




Rcyannacci and LoraJ- I take it you both saw the same thing I did. .

I thought saying it appeared Miller was having some "mental problems" was being understated. .

And I also said earlier that, "I think 'ol Zell better find a less psychotic way to deal with these questions then he did tonight or duck out of site for awhile. Looking at the story Bsears posted ( GOP Backs Away From Miller ) it appears someone in the Bush campaign agreed with me. .

I could almost feel sorry for Zell if he hadn't of been so mean and dishonest in what he's said the past few months. .


One last thing. . . Olaf, you said "You know what's wrong with you Dems? You can dish it, but you can't take it." and "Navy Challenging Kerry's Medals- It doesn't get much worse than wearing medals that you're not entitled to. Of course Kerry doesn't actually wear them, he just throws them. If this turns out to have legs, he can forget about the military/vet vote. . ."

In light of those statements, I wonder if you like to comment on this:


Photo of Bush wearing false award found at Bush’s father’s Presidential Library

By John Byrne | Raw Story Editor

A closer examination of a photograph included in President George W. Bush’s Air Force records, released by the White House earlier this year, shows then-Second Lieutenant Bush wearing an Air Force Outstanding Unit Award which he never earned. The photograph is also displayed on George H. W. Bush’s Presidential library website.. . Full Story



Politics- gotta love it . . .

 

[jrydberg]

WillyJ, I have never commented on your posts in a personal and perjorative way. I attacked the substance of your posts. You have responded in each instance by attacking me personally. Frankly, I don't see how anyone can reasonably conclude otherwise.

 

[tar heel]

Zell Miller, introducing John Kerry at a dinner in March 2001:

"My job tonight is an easy one to present to you one of this nation's authentic heroes, one of this party's best-known and greatest leaders -- and a good friend."

Zell Miller Wednesday night at the Republican convention:

"For more than 20 years, on every one of the great issues of freedom and security, John Kerry has been more wrong, more weak, more wobbly than any other national figure."

As a columnist in our local paper (who was writing about how politicians from BOTH parties hoodwink us every time), said:

"Zell Miller is a star today, not because he loves President Bush, but because he can't stand his good friend John Kerry."

 

[disney4us2002]

Say what you will about Mr. Miller but from what I've seen and read he is a man who has been let down by his party and sees things differently post 9/11. Amazing how Kerry's decision to be both war hero and anti-war activist was acceptable because he had an epiphany after participating in the war and seeing, doing, or only hearing tales of atrocities there, yet Mr. Miller is just a crazy old coot (my interpretation of others' posts) out for revenge. Why? What is his motivation?

From what I've seen irl most people are pretty middle of the road between liberal and conservative. The Democratic talking heads are seemingly moving more and more left. I think that is a mistake that will prove itself on November 2nd.

 

[WillyJ]

I can't wait to see Chris Matthews on The Daily Show tonight!!! . . and Colbert had the best line in summing up the RNC this year when he said the theme was, "Unmitigated Gall" . .






Has anyone seen Miller since his stellar post-speech appearences? Wonder if Duh-bya's people had him sedated and smuggled out of town in a rubber sack. . will we even see Sen. "Haney" again before the election?

And with all the references to 9/11 at the convention, was Osama bin Ladens name ever mentioned? I didn't hear it but then like most Democrats I am part of the working class and didn't have time to see all the speeches. . .

Speaking of which, gotta run. . everyone have a good day, and prayers for those in FLA. . stay safe!

 

[AirForceRocks]

*YAWN*

I don't know what the regs were back in the 70s, but I know that when I entered the Air Force, we most certainly were authorized to wear unit awards that our unit had received prior to our assignment. We could only wear them for the time we were assigned to the unit, and they had to be removed from the rack when we were re-assigned.

 

[Grog]

we most certainly were authorized to wear unit awards that our unit had received prior to our assignment. We could only wear them for the time we were assigned to the unit, and they had to be removed from the rack when we were re-assigned.

I'll back you on this one. My unit in the Army won five Presidential Unit Citations during WW2. I was authorized to wear the PUC ribbon with four bronze clusters when I was in the unit during the 80s. We were also authorized to wear a fouragere representing the Croix de Guerre awarded our unit by the French governement during the war.

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by Elwood Blues
Oh my..

I nearly spit(balled) my soda when I read this. You have got to be kidding. I have seen you (countless times) rip into people (and their positions) with tons of sarcasm and name calling. So when do you plan to "respectfully disagree"? Because you surely aren't getting any brownie points with your nearly constant barrage of barbs.

Deleted because it's not worth the effort.

 

[Elwood Blues]

Originally posted by wvrevy
Deleted because it's not worth the effort.

Why am I not surprised.

 

[ThAnswr]

Originally posted by WillyJ
ThAnswr,

As a matter of fact, I do know of this one southern lawyer who might just want to ask Mr. Cheney a question or two about those defense cuts in the next couple months . .

During the primary campaign, John Edwards was asked if he was going to ask Bush questions if he faced him in the primary. Edwards gave that little half smile, focused his eyes on the questioner, and said in that soft southern drawl "Ahhhm looking forward to it".

Willy, Edwards questioning Cheney will be a moment to savor. Maybe he can get Cheney to talk out of the other side of his mouth.

Originally posted by WillyJ
He might also ask about these facts as well:

US Asks UN to Approve Iraq Occupation

Saturday, May 10, 2003

The United States and its allies asked the UN Security Council on Friday to give its stamp of approval to their occupation of Iraq and sought permission to use revenue from the world's second-largest oil reserves to rebuild the war-battered country.

The draft notes that Washington and London sent a letter to the council president Thursday recognizing their responsibilities and obligations under international law "as occupying powers."

The letter marks the first time the United States has referred to its role in Iraq as an "occupying power," a status governed by the Geneva Conventions that details wide-ranging responsibilities for the Iraqi people. Washington had called itself a "liberating force.. . "

and. .

". . . In 2001, Bush said: "Precisely because America is powerful, we must be sensitive about expressing our power and influence." And this month, he said: "We need to be very sensitive" in balancing individual rights and intelligence gathering. " Full Story

I wonder if Ole "Beam Me Up Scotty" Zell even knew Bush was the one who referred to American troops as occupiers.

What's really funny about all this is the fact Republicans have left themselves wide open as to their various charges against John Kerry and the Democrats. It's almost as if they really believe no one would notice the deceptions. Or maybe they've gotten so much mileage over "war time President", they actually believe they walk on water or they could continue to blow smoke and no one would question a "war time President"

Guess again.

Originally posted by WillyJ
Oh, and as for posting the comment concerning the fact Miller at one time was a segregationist- I posted that (along with the other examples) to show that Miller going against his party and doing a complete about-face on an issue are nothing new. . I don't feel it's like the Swift Boat Ads simply because it's true. . but although it actually shows a postivie change on an issue, in retrospect it does appear to be a cheap shot and I probably should have left it out.

In retrospect, you were absolutely right to bring up Ole Zell's past. If the Republicans have the cajones to replay Kerry's entire life and bring up things his wife said 25 years ago, it's open season. It's fair game for everyone.

I'm salivating over the prospect of someone asking Cheney about "his other priorities" comment regarding his deferments. I understand college, marriage, and having children are legitimate priorities. But, there were lots of individuals with the same "priorities" who volunteered to go.

I've got a friend of mine who's father enlisted in the Marines right after Pearl Harbor. Bruce was a little over 1-years old and didn't see his father until he returned in 1946.

A friend of ours, Frank, enlisted in the Marines and turned 15 on Guadalcanal. I'm sure a teenager had other priorities.

My husband took accelerated courses in high school so he could graduate early. In 1944, at 16 years old, he enlisted in the Navy. His brother, my BIL, was already in the Navy and stationed in the South Pacific.

Some people do their duty and some Republicans just bull**** about it.

These Republican phonies are about to get royally hoisted by their own petards. And the beauty of it all is they provide so much ammunition.

Originally posted by WillyJ
And thank you for your service to our country ThAnswr- in both instances.

Thank you for your service. I consider it an honor to report for duty everyday and debunk some more Republican bull****.

The only problem is there's so much to choose from and so few hours in the day.

Originally posted by WillyJ
I thought saying it appeared Miller was having some "mental problems" was being understated. .

No joke! Either he's nuts or somebody has something on him.

Originally posted by WillyJ
I could almost feel sorry for Zell if he hadn't of been so mean and dishonest in what he's said the past few months. .

I think he deserves every scrap of mud thrown his way, not because of policy differences with his own party, but the fact that he manipulated, exaggerrated, and just plain lied.

I wish someone would ask Ole Zell about his "collective bargaining" remarks. Maybe someone should ask Ole Zell how taking away someone's job protection and putting it at the whim of 1 man enhances national security. Of course, it's been the Republican dream to bust all unions, and they wrapped themselves in the national security flag to do what they wanted to do all along.

You can't make this stuff up.

Originally posted by WillyJ
IOne last thing. . . Olaf, you said "You know what's wrong with you Dems? You can dish it, but you can't take it." and "Navy Challenging Kerry's Medals- It doesn't get much worse than wearing medals that you're not entitled to. Of course Kerry doesn't actually wear them, he just throws them. If this turns out to have legs, he can forget about the military/vet vote. . ."

In light of those statements, I wonder if you like to comment on this:


Photo of Bush wearing false award found at Bush’s father’s Presidential Library

By John Byrne | Raw Story Editor

A closer examination of a photograph included in President George W. Bush’s Air Force records, released by the White House earlier this year, shows then-Second Lieutenant Bush wearing an Air Force Outstanding Unit Award which he never earned. The photograph is also displayed on George H. W. Bush’s Presidential library website.. . Full Story



Politics- gotta love it . . .

We all know what the rebuttal is going to be.............."That's different".

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by Elwood Blues
Why am I not surprised.

Ok, what I posted was "put up or shut up". I have NEVER attacked a PERSON on this board unless it was in retaliation for similar attacks on their part. Not ONCE. You like to sit back and make snide comments, but put your money where your mouth is. You make accusations against me, but do you have the guts to try to prove it ? Somehow, I doubt it.

 

[Grog]

We all know what the rebuttal is going to be.............."That's different".

Once again... it's a unit award. Anyone assigned to a unit that has earned any kind of unit award is authorized to wear that award while in the unit. It doen't matter if they came into the unit many years after the award was made, they are authorized to wear it. Also, to not wear it while a member of that unit would put the servicemember in violation of uniform regs.

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by Grog
Once again... it's a unit award. Anyone assigned to a unit that has earned any kind of unit award is authorized to wear that award while in the unit. It doen't matter if they came into the unit many years after the award was made, they are authorized to wear it. Also, to not wear it while a member of that unit would put the servicemember in violation of uniform regs.

Exactly.

Read the article that is linked above. You'll see the following:

“There isn’t a ‘temporary’ wear of AF Outstanding Unit Awards for AF personnel,” the Air Force Personnel Center stated.

“I’ve never heard of temporary wear,” added Assistant Reagan Defense Secretary for Manpower, Reserve Affairs, Installations and Logistics Lawrence J. Korb, whose job included overseeing the Air Force Reserves from 1981-1985, in a telephone interview Wednesday. “The unit didn’t get this until 1975.”

So, it seems like landing on the carrier wasn't the first time Bush was pretending to be a real soldier

(actually, I have no idea if this is all accurate or not, as I haven't looked into it that deeply. Still, it's pretty funny considering the Swift liars have been sliming Kerry for this for weeks )

 

[Elwood Blues]

Originally posted by wvrevy
Ok, what I posted was "put up or shut up". I have NEVER attacked a PERSON on this board unless it was in retaliation for similar attacks on their part. Not ONCE. You like to sit back and make snide comments, but put your money where your mouth is. You make accusations against me, but do you have the guts to try to prove it ? Somehow, I doubt it.

You must have quite a low threshold of what you consider a personal attack on yourself.

So why the need for retaliation? How about being above that a little more often? I know you can do it as I've seen it from time to time. But when you frequently throw out disparaging remarks (not necessarily aimed at a particular poster here) and the frequent use of rolleyes and ROFTL smileys surely makes whatever point you're trying to convey lose it's effect. At least IMO it does.

Sure, I'll admit to a snide remark once in a while, but that's not my SOP.

But it certainly is yours most of the time with certain topics.

 

[AirForceRocks]

“There isn’t a ‘temporary’ wear of AF Outstanding Unit Awards for AF personnel,” the Air Force Personnel Center stated.

That is correct, now. But as I said before, it hasn't always been that way. At my first unit, I was instructed to wear the Organizational Excellence Award ribbon that the unit had earned the year before. I continued to wear it until I was reassigned or the instructions rescinded. I have no idea what the policy was in the 70s.

“The unit didn’t get this until 1975.”

Unless I'm mistaken, I believe that the unit had received the same award in 1966. If correct, and if temporary wear was authorized, then 2Lt Bush would have been correct in wearing the ribbon.

 

[rcyannacci]

Originally posted by WillyJ
I can't wait to see Chris Matthews on The Daily Show tonight!!! . . and Colbert had the best line in summing up the RNC this year when he said the theme was, "Unmitigated Gall" . .

My favorite was the end..."Good day to you sir...I said GOOD DAY!" (Had the Southern accent down perfectly, and that's coming from a Southerner.)

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by Elwood Blues
You must have quite a low threshold of what you consider a personal attack on yourself.

So why the need for retaliation? How about being above that a little more often? I know you can do it as I've seen it from time to time. But when you frequently throw out disparaging remarks (not necessarily aimed at a particular poster here) and the frequent use of rolleyes and ROFTL smileys surely makes whatever point you're trying to convey lose it's effect. At least IMO it does.

Sure, I'll admit to a snide remark once in a while, but that's not my SOP.

But it certainly is yours most of the time with certain topics.

So, that would be an "I can't back up my statement" from you then, right ?

I won't hold my breath waiting on an apology.

 

[Olaf]

Originally posted by WillyJ
One last thing. . . Olaf, you said "You know what's wrong with you Dems? You can dish it, but you can't take it." and "Navy Challenging Kerry's Medals- It doesn't get much worse than wearing medals that you're not entitled to. Of course Kerry doesn't actually wear them, he just throws them. If this turns out to have legs, he can forget about the military/vet vote. . ."

In light of those statements, I wonder if you like to comment on this:


Photo of Bush wearing false award found at Bush’s father’s Presidential Library

By John Byrne | Raw Story Editor

A closer examination of a photograph included in President George W. Bush’s Air Force records, released by the White House earlier this year, shows then-Second Lieutenant Bush wearing an Air Force Outstanding Unit Award which he never earned. The photograph is also displayed on George H. W. Bush’s Presidential library website.. . Full Story



Politics- gotta love it . . .

Ah. Looks like Brenda beat me to the punch. I'm a military spouse. I know what medals and devices are, and I know why/when they're worn. You and the media are obviously incredibly ignorant. Stick to subjects you know.

 

[sha_lyn]

Originally posted by Olaf
Ah. Looks like Brenda beat me to the punch. I'm a military spouse. I know what medals and devices are, and I know why/when they're worn. You and the media are obviously incredibly ignorant. Stick to subjects you know.

LOL just like they insist they know he was AWOL.... I'd love for them to show me a case where any member of the Guard has been declared AWOL.... AWOL does not exist in the guard or reserves, unless your unit has been activated. they want to look smart by using military terms, but they have no idea what they are doing.

 

[Olaf]

They're desperate Shalyn. It's becoming increasingly obvious that they picked the wrong guy--they're stuck with a dud.