Viva la ZELL!

Originally posted by wvrevy
Just keep showing America what you are really about...Lies...hate....fear.....Today's republican party :rolleyes:

I heard plenty of "hate and fear" out of the likes of Al Sharpton, Ted Kennedy, Howard Dean, and several recent speeches by Al Gore (that man needs prozac), but the media just glosses over that. They tell you that the Dems conducted a "friendly" convention. What a crock.

You know what's wrong with you Dems? You can dish it, but you can't take it.
 
Originally posted by wvrevy
But that's ok....Just keep showing America what you are really about...Lies...hate....fear.....Today's republican party :rolleyes:

Today's Republican Party. Here's an interesting theory from a blog.

Who's A "Fake" Democrat/Republican?

Richard Crowley, an editor at the New Republic, has an article in SLATE calling Zell Miller a "fake Democrat," "a cartoonish GOP partisan" who has committed "treason" against the Democratic party.

Crowley argues, quite unsuccessfully in my opinion, that Miller became the odd man out of the Democratic party not because the Democrats moved so far to the left, which Miller and his new Republican allies claim, but rather because Miller himself moved so far to the right.

I don't agree, but my real objection is to the easy assurance that Miller is a "fake" Democrat, and also to the identical accusations heard from virtually every Democratic (and hence establishment media) platform this week that Arnold and Rudy and even McCain aren't "real" Republicans because they support abortion or gay rights or gun control.

Leave aside the problem of whether media observers have the authority, or knowledge, to pontificate on who is a "real" Republican or Democrat. More interesting is the undeniable fact that these days the Republican Party's tent is much bigger than the Democrats', that the Republican Party is much more "diverse," if you'll pardon the expression, than the Democrats. I haven't looked closely lately, but the last time I looked I think somewhere around 15% to 20% of the Republicans in the Senate supported abortion rights. A similar number have supported racial preferences, more support various strong environmental measures, gun control, etc., etc. How many Democrats, in either body, oppose abortion, racial preference, gun control? When was the last time such a Democrat, if there any left, was invited to speak at a national convention? (See here for a discussion of how the Democrats treated one of their most impressive governors in 1992 and 1996.)

But let's return to Crowley and his "fake" Miller. To say that Zell Miller is a "fake" Democrat, despite his refusal to change parties, is to say that people with his views are not welcome in the Democratic party. Has Crowley checked out Brad Carson, who's running for the Senate in Oklahoma on a platform that one would be hard-pressed to distinguish from mainstream or even conservative Republicanism. If Miller is a "fake," shouldn't Carson change parties?

When I was much younger and even less wise than I am now (I know it's hard to believe that's possible), I used to think we'd be much better off if all the conservative Democrats became Republicans and all the liberal Republicans became Democrats. The condition we're in now just goes to show you that you should be careful what you wish for.

http://www.discriminations.us/

Richard
 
revy, I failed to see your post earlier where you said McCain is a sellout. How in the hell did you come up with that? He is far from it, the furthest thing from it in politics today. His work on campaign finance reform, fight against the FMA, and constant being a thorn in the side of anyone who plays constant party politics shows he is anything but a sellout. That may be the most foolish statement you've made.... Nah...
 
It doesn't get much worse than wearing medals that you're not entitled to. Of course Kerry doesn't actually wear them, he just throws them. If this turns out to have legs, he can forget about the military/vet vote.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/9/2/120951.shtml

Also, note that Kerry isn't allowing the release of his military records. Now why would that be?
 

Personally I don't read posts that are filled with sarcasm and rolling heads anymore, they are all just plane silly and are totally discounted in my view. But, I do hope some independent lurkers are reading them, because I don't think they will like those posts either and it gets more voters on the Republican side. I am proud to read the level headedness of most Republican posts here on the DIS.

From a most enthusiastic Bush voter!!
 
Originally posted by wvrevy
I can respect somebody that "respectfully disagrees".

Oh my..

I nearly spit(balled) my soda when I read this. You have got to be kidding. I have seen you (countless times) rip into people (and their positions) with tons of sarcasm and name calling. So when do you plan to "respectfully disagree"? Because you surely aren't getting any brownie points with your nearly constant barrage of barbs.
 
Yes, I'm afraid Revy is turning into the new Eros. Although Eros was much nicer to people. Revy just constantly is mean spirited to anyone who disagrees. Lighten up bro. :smooth:
 
"My job tonight is an easy one: to present to you one of this nation's authentic heroes, one of this party's best-known and greatest leaders -- and a good friend. He was once a lieutenant governor -- but he didn't stay in that office 16 years, like someone else I know. It just took two years before the people of Massachusetts moved him into the United States Senate in 1984. -- U.S. Senator Zell Miller [Remarks to the Democratic Party of Georgia Jefferson Jackson Dinner 2001]

"In his 16 years in the Senate, John Kerry has fought against government waste and worked hard to bring some accountability to Washington. Early in his Senate career in 1986, John signed on to the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Deficit Reduction Bill, and he fought for balanced budgets before it was considered politically correct for Democrats to do so. John has worked to strengthen our military, reform public education, boost the economy and protect the environment.” -- U.S. Senator Zell Miller [Remarks to the Democratic Party of Georgia Jefferson Jackson Dinner 2001]
www.listentothisvoice.com/index.html

www.washingtonpost.com/wp...4Sep1.html
Miller and Cheney reached deep into Kerry's past to present him as a danger to Americans' security -- at times mischaracterizing the Democrat's positions in the process. "Senator Kerry has made it clear that he would use military force only if approved by the United Nations," Miller said. Cheney, in turn, said Kerry "began his political career by saying he would like to see our troops deployed 'only at the directive of the United Nations.' " The vice president said, "Kerry denounces American action when other countries don't approve -- as if the whole object of our foreign policy were to please a few persistent critics."

Both men apparently were referring to a 1970 interview Kerry gave to the Harvard Crimson. In his speech accepting his party's nomination in July, Kerry said: "I will never give any nation or any institution a veto over our national security."

Miller portrayed Kerry as "an auctioneer selling off our national security." He recited a long list of weapons systems he said Kerry opposed. Miller's list was mostly derived from a single Kerry vote against a spending bill in 1991, rather than individual votes against particular systems. The bill was also opposed by five Republican senators at the time, and Cheney, who was defense secretary then, was demanding even deeper cuts in defense spending by Congress.

As Bush has often done, both speakers also condemned a vote Kerry cast against Bush's request for $87 billion for military and reconstruction spending in Iraq and Afghanistan. Cheney said Kerry "does not seem to understand the first obligation of a commander in chief -- and that is to support American troops in combat."

Kerry voted for an alternative version of the bill that would have funded some of the spending by raising taxes on incomes greater than $312,000. For his part, Bush had vowed to veto a version of the bill that passed that would have converted half of the Iraq rebuilding plan into a loan.

Miller also angrily denounced Kerry for saying the United States is occupying Iraq. "Motivated more by partisan politics than by national security, today's Democratic leaders see America as an occupier, not a liberator," he said, later adding: "No one should dare to even think about being the commander in chief of this country if he doesn't believe with all his heart that our soldiers are liberators abroad and defenders of freedom at home."

It was not immediately clear what Miller was referring to, although Bush himself has spoken of Iraq as being "occupied."

www.washingtonpost.com/wp...4Sep1.html
 
You take one Bush quote out of text where he said the word occupied. Overwhelmingly Republicans refer to our troops as liberators, and the hataz call 'em occupiers.

Listen to Zell on Meet the Press on 8/1, the words on Kerry in 01 were nothing he wrote, just something a publicist handed him before the introduction.
 
Listen to Zell on Meet the Press on 8/1, the words on Kerry in 01 were nothing he wrote, just something a publicist handed him before the introduction.

I'm not sure that makes Zell Miller look any better. :p

Did he give a reason for not looking the statement over first and saying "I'm sorry, but I can't say this because I don't believe it."
 
Originally posted by Toby'sFriend
I'm not sure that makes Zell Miller look any better. :p

Did he give a reason for not looking the statement over first and saying "I'm sorry, but I can't say this because I don't believe it."

I was thinking the same thing.
 
I'm not sure it's smart to jump onto this thread (reading these posts I'm getting images of a pack of wolves circling thier prey), but what the heck. You only live once.

Of couse people reacted well to the "liberator not occupier" comments. It makes us feel better about leaving a country in utter chaos and turmoil.

It's also the kind of language that is designed to keep a soldier focused on their job and able to accomplish the tasks that are designed for them, many which I acknowledge are impossibly hard. I respect what these soldiers do immensly, and I am sick to death of the implication that I can't do this and also disagree with the war.

I suppose I would feel better if I heard these words coming from an Iraqi, but I honestly don't when the words come from a politician. It's too easy, way too easy. It's rhetoric, a shift of terminology designed to elicit a response from American voters. But these words are not going to have the same meaning or effect for an Iraqi who's right now living without basic amenities, grieving over lost fathers, brothers, or children, scared for their lives because thier streets lack adequate security.
 
I understand Zell Miller is called Zig Zag Zell in Georgia

Perhaps he is called that by the far left in DC, because I've never heard him called that until last night by the far left.

Here in GA he is lovingly referred to as Give'em hell Zell.


I though I would wake the neighborhood last night with my cheers for Zell. He makes me not only proud to be an American, but a Georgian too.


I alos agree with many here, the Dem party left him. I just wish he would realize how much good he could do if he switched parties. Infact my "wish" for the RNC was that Cheney would anounce he was not running due to his health, and Zell would anounce he was switching parties and running for VP.

However I have to say even Cheney impressed me last night. I've never been a fan of his, but I did like the way he conducted himself during his speach.
 
Originally posted by rcyannacci
I'm not sure it's smart to jump onto this thread (reading these posts I'm getting images of a pack of wolves circling thier prey), but what the heck. You only live once.

I find this intriguing. Really, who are the wolves? I can only conclude that people now realize who is on which side so everyone is predisposed to seeing what the other side doesn't. There has indeed been some 'prey-like' behavior but it isn't coming from the majority of the posters on this thread. Really, only one or two.

TXTink, I think you have hit the nail on the head. I believe many have come to the same conclusions as you. There is simply no point in reading those antagonistic and sarcastic posts much less replying as the writer is not at all interested in a discussion of another's view. This is when the ignore feature comes in quite handy.
 
One again rcyannacci , I just love your posts. :)

This is excellent:

Of couse people reacted well to the "liberator not occupier" comments. It makes us feel better about leaving a country in utter chaos and turmoil ...

... suppose I would feel better if I heard these words coming from an Iraqi, but I honestly don't when the words come from a politician. It's too easy, way too easy. It's rhetoric, a shift of terminology designed to elicit a response from American voters. But these words are not going to have the same meaning or effect for an Iraqi who's right now living without basic amenities, grieving over lost fathers, brothers, or children, scared for their lives because thier streets lack adequate security.
 
Originally posted by disney4us2002
I find this intriguing. Really, who are the wolves? I can only conclude that people now realize who is on which side so everyone is predisposed to seeing what the other side doesn't. There has indeed been some 'prey-like' behavior but it isn't coming from the majority of the posters on this thread. Really, only one or two.


Sorry- perhaps a bad attempt at humor. Yes, the majority of posters are not preying, but one certainly opens themselves up for attack, even to a few, when posting a dissenting view. I guess I am just feeling extra cautious today. The convention, I think, has set the tone at a higher pitch in the last few days.

Saffron- thanks for the kind words and support :wave:
 
Originally posted by jjskribs
Well maybe those 11 undecided votes will really help George Bush. As I said, time will tell. Glad you've finally made up your mind Nancy but for those of us who have been following your posts for the past few weeks, I think you already had your mind made up. ;)

Actually I never said which way my mind was thinking or is thinking now...maybe I didn't like the speeches and what i heard last night? If you have been following my posts...you have to remeber I said I was impressed by some of the Dem. speeches.

I do have to tell you that even after almost 20 yrs. of marriage not even my DH knows who I actually vote for. I like to keep people guessing which side of the fence I am actually on.
 
GOP backs away from Miller’s blast
Democratic ‘speaking for himself,’ Bush aide says


After gauging the harsh reaction from Democrats and Republicans alike to Sen. Zell Miller’s keynote address at the Republican National Convention, the Bush campaign — led by the first lady — backed away Thursday from Miller’s savage attack on Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry, insisting that the estranged Democrat was speaking only for himself.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5897622/
 
Originally posted by JoeThaNo1Stunna
WOW! After McCain, Rudy, and Arnold I did not think this Convention could get any better. Well it just did. Best speech yet.

Had a friend just call screaming at the top of his lungs that it was the best speech he's ever heard.

I literally hit the ground laughing when he put out the line about spitballs!

Wait...I was interupted posting this. My mother just called me and said that Miller's speech switched her from undecided to Bush, she will be voting for the first time in her 42 years of life.

WOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!:bounce: :smooth: :jester: :Pinkbounc :tongue: :crazy: :wave: :earseek: :earsboy: :teeth: :hyper:

Glad to hear Zell helped your mom decide to vote for Bush. We love Zell here in Georgia. I am sad he is retiring. :(
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Perhaps he is called that by the far left in DC, because I've never heard him called that until last night by the far left.

Here in GA he is lovingly referred to as Give'em hell Zell.
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I've lived in GA all my life and I have heard Zell referred to as Zig Zag Zell many times here. Personally I love Zell. He speaks his mind and I respect him for it.
 












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