VIP/Tiered Rewards to be released soon

What surprises me most about this entire thread is that we all have tiered loyalty programs through our credit cards, airlines, car rentals, hotel loyalty programs etc. And each and everyone of them are the "what have you done for us lately" type of programs. If you don't continue to use their program you lose your status. Everybody accepts those programs, but Disney shouldn't adopt such a program? I don't get it. I've never really been able to take advantage of these programs and don't expect to benefit from a Disney loyalty program.

That was exactly why I was so surprised at Guy's initial negative reaction to the DVC one. He belongs to so many other tiered loyalty programs and has no problem using them. He's just afraid the DVC one is going to cost him money when wifey says "We need to buy more points so we can get to the next level".
 
I know we don't have to pay "holiday pricing" on the DDP but an added % off it would be something my family would def benefit from. I also utilize the AP discount each year which is great...we'll just have to see! :goodvibes
 
As I said, levels of membership can change, but accumulated rewards do not expire.

MG

And many airline frequent flyer programs offer lifetime status. Sure, it's life of the FF program not necessarily my lifetime, but I appreciate the status.

We are a 10 nights a year in a studio family, so no tiered program will help us, and may hurt us. Unless we get bonus points for having a Premier AP, a D23 membership, a Disney Visa, and ownership of Disney stock, we will clearly be below any elite tier. --Suzanne
 
I was hoping to address a couple of items that stuck out and add my thoughts.

My opinion on those that bought DVC assuming that one timeshare system was different than the other top ones is that they assumed too much.
Dean, you are probably the most knowledgeable person on these boards regarding the timeshare world, and I can't help but think this idea came after years of immersion in multiple systems (and I very much appreciate your wisdom :thumbsup2). I think this may be a bit extreme for even a fairly advanced first-time timeshare purchaser. Even if they do extensive research (using TUG, reviewing complaint boards and/or the DA's office for litigation), it will likely be only for several months before their purchase, and they likely focused on the variances to make their decision instead of the similarities. Such focus would cause a reasonable person to lean heavily on the good differences and ignore the true similarities for a period of time (years?).

What surprises me most about this entire thread is that we all have tiered loyalty programs through our credit cards, airlines, car rentals, hotel loyalty programs etc...
I would submit there is a significant difference between a loyalty program geared toward a product/service that has a limited useful life and one that provides the service for decades. Surrendering the former means I retain the flexibility to give my business to a competitor any time I want. However, any lost benefits in the latter program means I will live with it for a large portion of my life. To that end, I do not think this comparison is completely valid due to the scope of the compared products/services.

As for the discussion as a whole, I believe my family fits the tiered demographic Dean presented on page 3. We currently have 365 points (165 at SSR and 100 each at BLT and VGC); for another 135, we would be able to slide into the bottom (500 point) tier. Although 135 may sound like a lot, I have already determined that we could use another 50 points at BLT and 100 at VGC to do a week+ stay in a 1BR during Dream/Magic season (alternating BLT & SSR each year during spring/summer) and a long weekend in Anaheim. If DVC releases some extra incentives, it could be enough to motivate a purchase sooner than later, especially if these incentives provide economic benefit to offset the upfront costs (keep AP discount, no closing costs, discount on dining, discounted APs for both parks, etc).

In all, I am grateful for the fantastic discussion, especially since these topics draw out the heavy hitters in our community! :worship:

- Chris
 

It's pretty easy to assume that Disney is different when the DVD Sales Team works their magic on you. Your Guide telling you several times that Disney is different may also make you feel that way. :lovestruc...
:earsboy: Bill
I agree with you, Bill. When I looked into timeshares, I narrowed it down to DVC and Starwood. Both offered stays at WDW, but Starwood offered the option of easily booking at Sheraton/Four Seasons hotels around the world. To be honest, I was sold on DVC with the notion of owning a piece of the magic. The mechanical benefits of DVC were more options on property and the notion that DVD would attempt to maintain the value of our purchase through the ROFR option. In all, it was the Disney magic that made the final vote for DVC.

- Chris
 
My question is does someone know the percentages of points members own?

Is 1000 points less then 5%?

How many are above 500 points?

How many are above 350 points? and so forth
 
I guess I would like to think that Disney would care to try to avoid a situation where the majority of owners would move from being proud of being DVC members to feeling like they'd been fleeced.

Disney can chase only new prospects if they'd like, but it seems to me that they will be shooting themselves in the foot if they don't try to keep the members they've got happy enough to want to keep emotionally buying in and then financially adding on, whether through Disney or via resale. Up until recently, buying DVC resale was like buying a used car that retained a value fairly close to buying a quality new car. The perception that DVC kept its value added to the perceived value of DVC for many of its owners, and created an environment that encouraged add-ons. Since resale prices and Disney prices were reasonably close, we did as I think many other DVC members did, and added some points direct from Disney, and some from resale. Now we've stopped. We're waiting to see which way the wind blows from here on out.

I do see why Disney wants to "incentivize" people to add on from them instead of buying resale. But if the resale market ends up selling a stripped product for pennies on the dollar (as most timeshares are sold at resale), but still offers the chance to stay on Disney property, there aren't enough fastpasses in the world to entice reasonably knowledgeable people to buy a contract from Disney for $10,000 dollars when they can get the same number of points for $1,000. Instead of being perceived as a special product, Disney may be moving toward offering the equivalent of a very ordinary car that loses most of its value as soon as it is driven off the lot. Is that really going to help Disney attract members to keep coming back and buying more?

Plenty of other timeshare companies have gone out of business when they can't keep attracting customers, but Disney has one disadvantage others don't. Disney timeshares are on Disney property, often tied to Disney deluxe hotels. Does Disney really want to put themselves in the position of having the resale market dip so low that a product originally perceived as high-quality becomes firesale material? There are already enough problems with the occasional owners who don't take pride in the property they own to bother to keep their children from gouging the furniture. Do we really need tons of owners who don't value the property at all because they paid almost nothing for it? A real vicious circle could get started if maintenance fees become so high that more and more people bail out into the resale market, which creates more new owners who buy ever cheaper points, which create worse maintenance problems. Not the best reputation to get started for a product on Disney property that Disney wants to market as high quality.
 
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I guess I would like to think that Disney would care to try to avoid a situation where the majority of owners would move from being proud of being DVC members to feeling like they'd been fleeced.

Disney can chase only new prospects if they'd like, but it seems to me that they will be shooting themselves in the foot if they don't try to keep the members they've got happy enough to want to keep emotionally buying in and then financially adding on, whether through Disney or via resale. Up until recently, buying DVC resale was like buying a used car that retained a value fairly close to buying a quality new car. The perception that DVC kept its value added to the perceived value of DVC for many of its owners, and created an environment that encouraged add-ons. Since resale prices and Disney prices were reasonably close, we did as I think many other DVC members did, and added some points direct from Disney, and some from resale. Now we've stopped. We're waiting to see which way the wind blows from here on out.

I do see why Disney wants to "incentivize" people to add on from them instead of buying resale. But if the resale market ends up selling a stripped product for pennies on the dollar (as most timeshares are sold at resale), but still offers the chance to stay on Disney property, there aren't enough fastpasses in the world to entice reasonably knowledgeable people to buy a contract from Disney for $10,000 dollars when they can get the same number of points for $1,000. Instead of being perceived as a special product, Disney may be moving toward offering the equivalent of a very ordinary car that loses most of its value as soon as it is driven off the lot. Is that really going to help Disney attract members to keep coming back and buying more?

Plenty of other timeshare companies have gone out of business when they can't keep attracting customers, but Disney has one disadvantage others don't. Disney timeshares are on Disney property, often tied to Disney deluxe hotels. Does Disney really want to put themselves in the position of having the resale market dip so low that a product originally perceived as high-quality becomes firesale material? There are already enough problems with the occasional owners who don't take pride in the property they own to bother to keep their children from gouging the furniture. Do we really need tons of owners who don't value the property at all because they paid almost nothing for it? A real vicious circle could get started if maintenance fees become so high that more and more people bail out into the resale market, which creates more new owners who buy ever cheaper points, which create worse maintenance problems. Not the best reputation to get started for a product on Disney property that Disney wants to market as high quality.
Good post but I just had to skim.... Too darn long for my attention span...

MG
 
My question is does someone know the percentages of points members own?

Is 1000 points less then 5%?

How many are above 500 points?

How many are above 350 points? and so forth

All I know is that a majority of members own 210 points.
 
One of the main issues for me in buying into DVC was that it was not like other timeshares. The more it becomes like other timeshares, the less incentive I have to stick with it, much less add on additional points.

Although this attitude will not affect new sales, I wonder how it will affect Disney when it comes to add-ons if a lot of other people begin to feel the same way. Seems like they might reach some sort of cross-over point where the incentives to add on will be overtaken by long-loyal members just giving up.

You hit the nail right on the head! This could really affect people who already own smaller contracts and ones that only want to purchase them. It may help in one aspect, but then devalue it in another!

I only have 180 pts. that we bought from Disney six years ago. We almost bought resale, but decided not to. One of the things that was stressed upon us was the fact that it did not matter how many points we owned that all owners were treated the same!!! That was one of the reasons we thought it was so great!

We spend at least 2 weeks there every year and I usually end up renting extra pts. from another member. I can tell you that taking something away from our ownership does not make it very appealing and it doesn't make me want to add on!

It doesn't matter to me about the referral incentives, because my state is not a participant!

I hope they put some careful thought into what they consider "loyal guests" are! We, as well as many others, have spent all of our vacation money at Disney year after year, in the parks, shopping in their stores and eating at their restaurants! This whole thing makes me a little uneasy! JMO!
 
I was hoping to address a couple of items that stuck out and add my thoughts.

Dean, you are probably the most knowledgeable person on these boards regarding the timeshare world, and I can't help but think this idea came after years of immersion in multiple systems (and I very much appreciate your wisdom :thumbsup2). I think this may be a bit extreme for even a fairly advanced first-time timeshare purchaser. Even if they do extensive research (using TUG, reviewing complaint boards and/or the DA's office for litigation), it will likely be only for several months before their purchase, and they likely focused on the variances to make their decision instead of the similarities. Such focus would cause a reasonable person to lean heavily on the good differences and ignore the true similarities for a period of time (years?).
I really don't think so and I'm not actually addressing the ease or likelihood of making such decisions, only the factual evaluation of the decision itself at the end of the day. I don't see it as really any different than any person who attends a timeshare presentation. All you've got to do is ask questions, do a little investigation and do some critical and objective thinking. You've even got the added benefit that DVC isn't sitting there lying to you and beating on you for hours trying to get you to buy. I certainly see how it's easy to make an emotional and incorrect decision and make certain assumptions, however, one has the easy and direct opportunity not to do so. The fact remains at the end of the day, one makes a good or bad (or in between) decision based on all the input. That decision has factual and emotional components with certain assumptions and may or may not be a good choice for that person. IMO it doesn't matter how easy it is to make a decision based on emotions and assumptions, it is what it is as they say.

To go a little further, the statement itself actually assumes at least a little knowledge of other timeshares but the principle can be extracted and applied to each and every person that buys. Fortunately with DVC, it's not like you bought something for $20K you could have bought for $100 resale and couldn't sell if you wanted to. DVC was my first timeshare experience and I recall it vividly so I don't think my other experiences color that issue too much. I asked the questions, made notes and insisted on the legal paperwork before making a decision (which they provided). I didn't buy retail and was certainly one of the first resale buyers, if not the first. One of the things I had documentation of ended up not being correct. It was an interpretation issue but it was critical to my decision at the time. Even though I bought resale, DVC offered to buy me out and make me whole based on that information. So it was put up or shut up for me at the time. I was ready to let them have it but my wife didn't want to so we said we'd give it a try. We did and I was never sorry we'd bought DVC after that, it's still my first love in timeshares.
 
All I know is that a majority of members own 210 points.
How do you know that? I know when we have had polls here on the DIS, they have shown that the average here is around 250.
 
One of the things I had documentation of ended up not being correct. It was an interpretation issue but it was critical to my decision at the time. Even though I bought resale, DVC offered to buy me out and make me whole based on that information. So it was put up or shut up for me at the time. I was ready to let them have it but my wife didn't want to so we said we'd give it a try. We did and I was never sorry we'd bought DVC after that, it's still my first love in timeshares.
Can you expound on what wasn't correct?
 
We own 225 points and find this all very interesting- I am doubtful if the "rewards" would be good enough to get us to add on but will be watching to see what they come out with!!
 
We own 225 points and find this all very interesting- I am doubtful if the "rewards" would be good enough to get us to add on but will be watching to see what they come out with!!

We own 270 points but agree that adding on just for the rewards/perks/levels is unliklely although adding on eventually is more likely than not.

I agree this is all very interesting. I enjoy these threads and reading what all the DisBoards experts have to say.
 
...but Disney has one disadvantage others don't. Disney timeshares are on Disney property, often tied to Disney deluxe hotels... A real vicious circle could get started if maintenance fees become so high that more and more people bail out into the resale market, which creates more new owners who buy ever cheaper points, which create worse maintenance problems.
I would like to premise this will not be an issue. Since WDW property is very valuable to the company, especially close to their other facilities (parks and resorts), it is more likely DVD will begin a wholesale buy-up of contracts if the resale price reaches a certain threshold (given Disney's aversion for risk taking, this is probably already defined). They would then re purpose the resort or land for their own uses.

For example, the resort with the greatest price drop has been SSR, and I believe if the price per point drops into the low $30s, DVD will begin buying out as many contracts as possible and use the land for something else. In this case, the $60+ per point they will have received net likely is enough to cover building expenses and maybe provide a small profit. They could then build something new (addition to DTD, new resort, etc) or use the facilities to house cast members (since, effectively, they are 2BR apartments).

Thus, I do not think Disney will have the same issue with the bottom dropping out like other timeshare resorts. JMHO.


...Since resale prices and Disney prices were reasonably close, we did as I think many other DVC members did, and added some points direct from Disney, and some from resale. Now we've stopped. We're waiting to see which way the wind blows from here on out...
I seems DVC's strategy is working, since you stopped buying resale for the time being. :)
 
How do you know that? I know when we have had polls here on the DIS, they have shown that the average here is around 250.

DVC management, not an agent, told me.


How was that number extrapolated?(I love using that word!)

I would think it would be very easy to figure since I am sure they know exactly how many points each member has. In order to come up with a reward program they have to know how many members, say have 1000 points, etc.
 















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