VGF 2 points usage question

[Paul Stupin]

I think this is going to be tight at peak times, I mean that's why we call them peak times. But I don't think we know enough about how the room mix will go in general. Reality is studios are most popular, including at VGF. Maybe this will help room mix?

I'm a VGF1 owner, a studio or two will work for me and I don't travel peak, so I'm pretty thrilled.

And it's Disney. All of the hotels are completely overrun with kids. That's the point. If you don't want kids at your hotel, don't come to Orlando.

I agree with you and am pretty thrilled as well. We like the one bedroom lake view, and don‘t travel at peak times. That’s a pricey room, and personally I don’t think there’s going to be a sudden run on one of the highest point one bedrooms on property, especially at 11 months.

 

[Sandisw]

Of course. I'm not trying to say that it's so obviously an upgrade in every way that everyone should prefer it. And if they were converting existing DS to RS I could understand existing owners being upset. I'm just saying that the people framing it as a clear and universal downgrade that will distort the balance of the points chart are making a huge jump to conclusions.

Now, I have not interpreted the comments that way. More that the addition of 200 new studios.…regardless of the make up the actual room…is going to change the booking at the resort because thats a lot of new owners competing in some way for the current rooms that are there.

Not that it is necessarily an inferior product. Had they been the same, or closer to the same, then it may not be such a big deal on which one you book. But, now, if you want a couch facing a TV, a split bath, and a microwave, you have to try to get one of the original ones.

 

[Her Dotness]

This thread of VGF devotees simply isn't representative of the general Disneygoer's attitude toward the GF:
Can't possibly afford it, dislikes it or both.

DVC isn't actually part of the general Disneygoer's attitude. That's book a one trip in a lifetime. Or maybe one trip for each of the kids at a certain age. Or just periodically go visit.

You appear to have misunderstood my point.

I wasn't talking about the general Disneygoer's attitude toward DVC, only their attitude toward the GF itself. Thus, what you quoted has no relevance to the point you made with it.

I stand by the context of what you quoted: People on this thread already own at VGF or would like to. They like the GF.

I strongly suspect that, like the general guest, a majority of DVC owners dislike the GF for the reasons I cited (too points-pricey, snooty, too granny, feeling out of place there) or have no interest in it. They're happy with whatever other resorts they own and will neither be buying VGF points nor booking stays there.

They clearly are not active on this thread. That was my point.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Now, I have not interpreted the comments that way. More that the addition of 200 new studios.…regardless of the make up the actual room…is going to change the booking at the resort because thats a lot of new owners competing in some way for the current rooms that are there.

Not that it is necessarily an inferior product. Had they been the same, or closer to the same, then it may not be such a big deal on which one you book. But, now, if you want a couch facing a TV, a split bath, and a microwave, you have to try to get one of the original ones.

Right but new owners booking existing rooms is only a problem of you think there won't be an equal number of existing owners booking new rooms. If VGF1 owners book at VGF2 in roughly equal proportions as VGF2 owners booking at VGF1, nobody is any worse off.

 

[Her Dotness]

I think a number of us here are presuming that prospective buyers share our specific interests in VGF1.

Most posting here want some sort of kitchen and think those adding on/buying in will, too.

I think there's a very good chance that buyers-in are far more interested in no cooking and thus will prefer VGF2.

That's why I argued waaaaaay back there somewhere that the biggest competition for VGF1 will likely be add-on buyers who gotta have that kitchenette or are gunning for the full kitchens/more rooms.

I agree with those saying there may possibly be a much bigger split in demand than the kitchen-lovers fear.

Not-cooking-can't-make-me ----> VGF2
Loves-me-VGF1-gotta-fix-food ----> VGF1

 

[Sandisw]

Right but new owners booking existing rooms is only a problem of you think there won't be an equal number of existing owners booking new rooms. If VGF1 owners book at VGF2 in roughly equal proportions as VGF2 owners booking at VGF1, nobody is any worse off.

True but we have no idea if that will be the case. That is the concern. We just do not know which way the needle will go and why there is concern.

IMO, I have a feeling more new owners will want rooms in the old building than current owners want resort studios. Enough to cause a problem? No idea.

However some won’t even acknowledge it is a valid possibility that demand for the larger rooms will increase.

 

[nuhusky123]

You know what the biggest things that appeal to me about gfv and I’d hazard a bet a TON of new to dvc buyers who buy gfv. The fact it is snooty

yup that’s right, the fact gfv has the air of elitism and is the best and grandest crown jewel resort at wdw is why gfv will sell and a HUGE reason I want to buy there

You appear to have misunderstood my point.

I wasn't talking about the general Disneygoer's attitude toward DVC, only their attitude toward the GF itself. Thus, what you quoted has no relevance to the point you made with it.

I stand by the context of what you quoted: People on this thread already own at VGF or would like to. They like the GF.

I strongly suspect that, like the general guest, a majority of DVC owners dislike the GF for the reasons I cited (too points-pricey, snooty, too granny, feeling out of place there) or have no interest in it. They're happy with whatever other resorts they own and will neither be buying VGF points nor booking stays there.

They clearly are not active on this thread. That was my point.

 

[Sandisw]

I think a number of us here are presuming that prospective buyers share our specific interests in VGF.

Most posting here want some sort of kitchen and think those adding on/buying in will, too.

I think there's a very good chance that buyers-in are far more interested in no cooking and thus will prefer VGF2.

That's why I argued waaaaaay back there somewhere that the biggest competition for VGF1 will likely be add-on buyers who gotta have that kitchenette or are gunning for the full kitchens/more rooms.

I agree with those saying there may possibly be a much bigger split in demand than the kitchen-lovers fear.

Not-cooking-can't-make-me ----> VGF2
Loves-me-VGF1-gotta-fix-food ----> VGF1

I don’t cook on vacation and like the larger rooms and will be competing for them now during home resort once I hopefully own points.

Granted I am one buyer so any current owner who has been booking 1 bedrooms..that is what I book…who books the resort studio now will offset me.

And it is that balancing that is big question to be determined once all these points are sold and in the system.

 

[bobbiwoz]

I'd be willing to bet big money that if you polled guests asking which of the following they'd rather stay in, the Resort Studios would win in a landslide.

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I'm sorry, I just genuinely can't understand the conventional wisdom on here that says #2 is the more desirable accommodation just because it has a microwave.

IMO, the bathroom is also a selling point.

 

[DonMacGregor]

I don’t cook on vacation and like the larger rooms and will be competing for them now during home resort once I hopefully own points.

Same here. Never stay in anything less than a 1BR, but have never used a DVC stove or oven. I prefer WL over GF only because I think GF and Poly suffer from too much casual traffic due to their location on the Monorail and always feel too crowded to me, but if I did decide to buy at GF, it would be for 1 or 2BR units only.

 

[Her Dotness]

Now, I have not interpreted the comments that way. More that the addition of 200 new studios.…regardless of the make up the actual room…is going to change the booking at the resort because thats a lot of new owners competing in some way for the current rooms that are there.

I'll qualify this as follows: "The addition of 200 new studios MAY bring in a lot of new owners who'll compete in some way for the current rooms--or may not at all."

The GF is all about luxury--lolling about doing as much nothing as you can, eating in fabulous restaurants you needn't go far to reach--or more lazily still, getting room service.

The "They're coming to get our kitchens" fear could be waaay way offbase.

 

[Sandisw]

I'll qualify this as follows: "The addition of 200 new studios MAY bring in a lot of new owners who'll compete in some way for the current rooms--or may not at all."

The GF is all about luxury--lolling about doing as much nothing as you can, eating in fabulous restaurants you needn't go far to reach--or more lazily still, getting room service.

The "They're coming to get our kitchens" fear could be waaay way offbase.

Again, not about the kitchen. I’d venture to guess more people who book 1 or 2 bedrooms don’t use it and choose for space and the washer and dryer.

In terms of people who stay VGF? Definitely don’t agree with your assessment of the DVC owners and crowd who chose it for trips.

 

[DonMacGregor]

Again, not about the kitchen. I’d venture to guess more people who book 1 or 2 bedrooms don’t use it and choose for space and the washer and dryer.

In terms of people who stay VGF? Definitely don’t agree with your assessment of the DVC owners and crowd who chose it for trips.

This right here 100%.

 

[Her Dotness]

I was suggesting that there could be a bunch more people who simply don't want VGF1 than do want it because they prefer a spacious hotel room to a studio apartment/condo atmosphere.

In terms of people who stay VGF? Definitely don’t agree with your assessment of the DVC owners and crowd who chose it for trips.

I don't know what you mean here. I'm not even sure you understood what I meant, either.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

Buying VGF for 2BR is a risky strategy. Half of them are lockoffs. Between the demand for the 1BR and the old studios, maybe they get taken? Or maybe everyone just wants to stay in the new building anyway? Nobody knows how this room mix will work out.

Its already starting. Buying points to stay at VGF1.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

You know what the biggest things that appeal to me about gfv and I’d hazard a bet a TON of new to dvc buyers who buy gfv. The fact it is snooty

yup that’s right, the fact gfv has the air of elitism and is the best and grandest crown jewel resort at wdw is why gfv will sell and a HUGE reason I want to buy there

Agree!!( wiping my snooty nose LOL).

 

[Sandisw]

You know what the biggest things that appeal to me about gfv and I’d hazard a bet a TON of new to dvc buyers who buy gfv. The fact it is snooty

yup that’s right, the fact gfv has the air of elitism and is the best and grandest crown jewel resort at wdw is why gfv will sell and a HUGE reason I want to buy there

This statement makes me sad

 

[nuhusky123]

This statement makes me sad

Why, this is how Disney positions gfv. Princess Diana stayed at gfv because it’s the best wdw has.

the luxury is what appeals to buyers and its a massive reason why I like gfv.

 

[Sandisw]

Why, this is how Disney positions gfv. Princess Diana stayed at gfv because it’s the best wdw has.

the luxury is what appeals to buyers

Because it does as I think it perpetuates the myth that it’s not for everyone, and it is.

I find the most down to earth people there and honestly, never felt that air of it being elite..no more than every other deluxe I have been to at WDW.
JMHO

 

[nuhusky123]

Because it does as I think it perpetuates the myth that it’s not for everyone, and it is.

I find the most down to earth people there and honestly, never felt that air of it being elite..no more than every other deluxe I have been to at WDW.
JMHO

Yeah I get that and I 100% agree it’s for everyone. But at the same time let’s be honest it’s an intimidating resort. Walking into that lobby if someone isn’t used to that kind of hotel will feel pretty out of place.

the people who stay at gfv paying cash have money is the very real perception.

wish this wasn’t the case, wish the world was less about money and perception but well, you know