vent about WDW bus passengers

[Goofy + 3]

i do have a dd and being a very proud member of the dis dads can con cure that as a rule, all dis dads with dd were in full agrement....

thank you

And as a proud papa of a couple daughters, I also agree! The DD5 will be offering her seat on our next trip, (assuming she's awake after a long day at the parks).

 

[crashbb]

I'll refer to the post directly above you---it wasn't meant to be insulting...

Just the ramblings of a Southern Gentleman

However, just because it's offered, doesn't mean you have to take it...heck, I'll sit if you want me to, but I will offer---I will not be offended if you refuse to take my seat, but I will offer it up anyway, and not just pretend like you're not standing there.

Far enough. I'm definitely not offended if you offer up your seat (though, I'd be unlikely to take you up on it).

Just a note though (not that there is any way you know), but I don't actually live in your country (though mine is free as well!).

 

[honugirl]

And thats the type of people im talking about. But all scooter riders want to get all defensive and think we are talking about everyone. Maybe they are defensive because they are feeling guilty about making my family with 2 little grandbabies sit and wait for the next bus in the 90 degree weather. But what do they care they are at the park already

You know why we get defensive? It's because time and time again we are vilified for "ruining" someone's vacation. I can't win. Either I'm taking up someone's space or I'm making you wait for another bus or I've ran over your child or I motored on by you as you were running for TSMM and got a fastpass first and I've HAD IT. I'm lumped in with the people who do use it to cheat the system. I endure the dirty looks and nasty comments because it's the only way for me to enjoy MY VACATION! Do you know what it's like going through life with people thinking you are constantly trying to cheat the system because outwardly you don't look like you have a disability when you really do? Do you really understand how hurtful people like you are Auger? From now on every time I come back I'm going to start threads about those horrid "normal" people and all the ways they've ruined my vacation and see how y'all like it. It's hard enough to be as ill as I am without having to defend myself and my actions constantly. I don't need the extra stress and aggravation.

 

[DisneyFed]

Far enough. I'm definitely not offended if you offer up your seat (though, I'd be unlikely to take you up on it).

Just a note though (not that there is any way you know), but I don't actually live in your country (though mine is free as well!).

No worries here.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Now we know what you do at Disney all day long Kay. Since you know that 99% of scooter riders and semi drivers are among the safest you must sit all day at the park with a little note pad and count how many are safe or not. Seems like a boring trip to me.

Ah, gee, I wasn't aware I have to justify my actions to you, but... simply being on the same eye level as other ECV users affords one excellent awareness of their action, reaction, and response times, as well as their general behavior and operating ability.

Twenty years of working with truck drivers gives me insight into their abilities and practices. I've never seen a tractor trailer operating on Main Street or any other in-park street, road, or path in a Walt Disney World or Disney Land Resort theme park (just another indication of the drivers knowing and obeying road rules).

 

[crashbb]

I don't usually pay any attention to subway announcements, but I noticed it this morning (heard it a few times).

There is an overhead announcement on the subway platform/in the station, that says (to the effect of): To make our transit system friendlier please offer your seat to the elderly, disabled, or pregnant woman. Or, anybody else who looks like they need the seat more than you.

I noticed that young children were not included in the specific list (though, of course, could fall under the secondary clause). Made me thing of this thread.

There are also seats on all the subway cars (and in the buses and streetcars) that say that priority should be given to elderly or disabled passengers. Of course, on the subway cars this cannot be enforced, while it can be enforced on the buses/streetcars (since they are right by the driver). These are sometimes in addition to the seats that can fold up so a wheelchair can be strapped in.

 

[kaytieeldr]

My initial point had nothing to do with the scooter riders it had to do with the LARGE families that got to jump line with them.

And that's been addressed REPEATEDLY.

Walt Disney World allows the wheelchair/ECV Guest and up to five members of their party to board a bus through the back door.

If you witness larger groups being allowed to do this, NOTIFY WALT DISNEY WORLD. Make a note of the location, time, bus number, driver name, number of people - and discuss with your resort's management.

Yet you keep ignoring this advice and, instead, complaining about large groups and attacking posters with whom you do not agree.

 

[DisneyDaddy-O]

...it appears the Cavalry has arrived...

Let me just say, speaking from a male point of view with a wife who is able bodied and 2 boys, I would be absolutely appalled if my boys would sit and not offer thier seat to a woman on a bus. I have on many occasions taken that death ride holding a child with one hand (who amounts to 30 lbs of dead weight) and hanging on for dear life with the other. My kids are older now and my entrie family offers our seats so those who appear to need them more than we do can sit. It is just the right thing to do!

That is all.

 

[JUJU814]

As a woman, I'm not sure I see why being a woman would automatically group me with elderly, young children, and/or disabled. Last I checked, being a woman didn't incapacitate me in any way. Not that I'm normally a big feminist ranter or anything, but... which one of these things doesn't belong with the others?

Why don't you just say that any able-bodied person who remains seated to the detriment of any other less-able person is not a very nice person at all.

I don't think he means it groups you with the elderly, young children and disabled.

I think the guy is a genuine, old fashioned, GENTLEMAN! Oh the horrors!

Why do so many women these days have trouble accepting kindness and chivalry????

I have two dds, and I'm a woman. I would give up my seat for someone that needed it in a skinny minute.

I'd also graciously and kindly accept a seat from a true gentleman that wanted nothing more than to be nice.

I don't understand why women find it so offensive

 

[kaytieeldr]

I have time and time again said I HAVE NOOOOO PROBLEM WITH THE SCOOTER USES !!!!!!!!! It all has to do with the one family member.

Yet again, you continue to ignore the rules WALT DISNEY WORLD has for Guests in wheelchairs/ECVs boarding buses (and often, attractions).

You can moan and complain all you want; you can feel as inconvenienced as you like; you can whine here as much as you want.

DISNEY'S standard is "the wheelchair/ECV Guest and up to five members of their party" are allowed to board/enter through the alternate entrance. Walt Disney World makes the rules, you don't.

Again, when you (repeatedly, or even just once) observe MORE than six members of a party boarding through the back door of a bus, make a note of the location, time, bus number, driver name, number of people in the party - and discuss with your resort's management.

Also, note that this means a total of twelve or eighteen - depending on the number of wheelchair spots - people may board through the back door before anyone is allowed in through the front door.

Also pay SPECIAL attention to SueM in MN's post where she points out that some Guests NOT with the wheelchair/ECV party are gutsy enough to use that door anyway - since it's open. So, you see, it's NOT always "huge families".

 

[goofy Jr. 88]

There is an overhead announcement on the subway platform/in the station, that says (to the effect of): To make our transit system friendlier please offer your seat to the elderly, disabled, or pregnant woman. Or, anybody else who looks like they need the seat more than you.

There are also seats on all the subway cars (and in the buses and streetcars) that say that priority should be given to elderly or disabled passengers.

It's unfortunate that there needs to be a reminder to/for people regarding the above.

I know Disney is expensive, but don't loose your common sense.

Proud member of the DISdad club.

 

[DisneyFed]

I don't think he means it groups you with the elderly, young children and disabled.

I think the guy is a genuine, old fashioned, GENTLEMAN! Oh the horrors!

Why do so many women these days have trouble accepting kindness and chivalry????

I have two dds, and I'm a woman. I would give up my seat for someone that needed it in a skinny minute.

I'd also graciously and kindly accept a seat from a true gentleman that wanted nothing more than to be nice.

I don't understand why women find it so offensive

I fear we've become a dying breed

I will also hold doors open for women---you'd be surprised how many times I've heard "I can hold it myself, thanks." Oh well, I tried---

 

[livndisney]

Also pay SPECIAL attention to SueM in MN's post where she points out that some Guests NOT with the wheelchair/ECV party are gutsy enough to use that door anyway - since it's open. So, you see, it's NOT always "huge families".

Sue's post was an understatement. I have seen many groups gather behind the ECV for the sole purpose of hoppping on the bus with the ecv. Even when the ecv rider has told the bus driver "they are not with me". The driver often just does not want to deal with it. I have heard drivers verbally harassed by "guests" just because they were told "no".

 

[DisneyDaddy-O]

I fear we've become a dying breed

Not if we raise our boys to become gentlemen....

 

[crashbb]

It's unfortunate that there needs to be a reminder to/for people regarding the above.

I know Disney is expensive, but don't loose your common sense.

Proud member of the DISdad club.

This is true.

They also have to tell people not to stick their feet on the seats (not that everyone listens), to remove their bags (bags take up far less room at your feet then on your back), and that their bags don't actually need a seat of their own (admittedly, I may stick my bag on the seat beside me if the bus/subway/streetcar is empty).

To be fair though, I do find my city's transit system to be, on the whole, used by polite people with common sense - not including the woman last night who stood right in the way of the door and then yelled at me for bumping into her as I tried to get onto the subway.

 

[kaytieeldr]

I fear we've become a dying breed

I will also hold doors open for women---you'd be surprised how many times I've heard "I can hold it myself, thanks." Oh well, I tried---

When the PROPER response to that action, DisneyFed, is, "Thank you". So on behalf of anyone who responds otherwise for the rest of the week, "Thank you". For holding the door, for giving up a seat on the bus, for grabbing that fourth grocery bag as it's about to slip out of my hand... for ANY action that shows consideration and makes this a more pleasant world for someone, even for a moment.

 

[crashbb]

When the PROPER response to that action, DisneyFed, is, "Thank you". So on behalf of anyone who responds otherwise for the rest of the week, "Thank you". For holding the door, for giving up a seat on the bus, for ANY action that shows consideration and makes this a more pleasant world for someone, even for a moment.

Well said.

I feel that what I said, may have come out wrong. I have NO problem with someone holding open the door for me or offering their seat. I just think that we need to teach our daughters to do these things, as well as our sons.

 

[livndisney]

Well said.

I feel that what I said, may have come out wrong. I have NO problem with someone holding open the door for me or offering their seat. I just think that we need to teach our daughters to do these things, as well as our sons.

No worries! My DD holds doors for people all the time

 

[that's nice]

When we take the busses and have a seat we politely ask anyone standing if they would like the seat- older adults, women, children, men holding kids, & anyone in general. If they take us up on our offer fine- if not that is fine too.

I think too many people go crazy over some simple like being polite. If you are seated and are able to stand and you see someone struggling (ie senior citizen, holding sleeping kids, etc) to stay upright on the bus that is your prerogative. But if I'm on that bus I'll gladly stand.

polite - having or showing behavior that is respectful and considerate of other people

DIS DAD member #330

 

[kaytieeldr]

To be fair though, I do find my city's transit system to be, on the whole, used by polite people with common sense

When I was using public transit, a couple of situations stand out in my mind... the tram running between the garage and the subway station wasn't working (high wind) so they were using buses to get us to our cars.

I limped onto a bus (use a cane in everyday life, my right knee doesn't 'work'), and stood on the full bus. The driver turned around and said she wasn't moving until someone got out of one of the "Please give this seat to an elderly or handicapped passenger" seats. All three people stood.

The other time, I boarded commuter rail (local train) mid-run. The conducter knew me and knew it wasn't safe for me to stand. He walked up to the comparable area on the train and said someone would have to give me their seat. Now, I believe in equality, but the four men suddenly became SO busy they seemed not to even hear him - leaving only the seated woman to give me her seat.