Vent about dress codes at Disney...

[iwaseeyore]

I said I was stepping out of the conversation but my mind is just boggled at what some of you have turned this thread into. I agree that Disney's version of Business Casual differs from mine. I did not argue with that once it was posted. But, the original point of the thread was that I do not agree with it. ALSO, as stated under Disney's definition of business casual:

dress shorts, jeans....

NOT, park shorts with sneakers and t'shirts. I am pretty sure I also read somewhere that shirts had to have collars. We are all talking about 2 different things. I am, and have been, talking about people in RESORT restaurants that come in denim or mesh shorts (for example), park t's and sneakers.

I did not once infer the character of said guests, just that I didn't find it appropriate for these types of restaurants, and NO it does not follow business casual, by Disney's definition or mine.

Thank you to those who read and UNDERSTOOD my point and didn't take my words out of context, put words in my mouth or just plain belittle me.

and I thought I missed all the fun!

When you open a can of worms this is what you get. When you make statements based on your opinion and not fact this is what you get. IMHO you inferred everything you are accused of inferring and it seems many others
feel the same way.

If I'm going out after dinner I'm wearing sneakers, my $60 t shirt is what I'll wear and shorts. For the number of visits and times at signature restaurants I've don't remember seeing people dressed like you explain.

My guess is V&A has limited seating and that is why you can impose a strict dress code. The other places mentioned would not have enough people to fill it if there was a strict dress code.

 

[jackmac]

Disney's definition of Business Casual states that jeans are ok. I assume that they mean more of a dress jean than the pair that I wore to change the oil. I see nothing wrong with this in the more upscale resort restaurants. Personally, I would never go to dinner in the Yachtsman, Flying Fish etc. in clothing that was not allowed on a golf course (for a man), and jeans are not allowed on golf courses. Should Disney's definition of business casual be modified to be more restrictive, now that's a good question. Personally, I feel that dress shorts should be allowed during the summer months. During the winter not allowed.

Does it offend me to see people in "park clothing" in the resort restaurants at night. No, but it does give a different flavor to the restaurant, hopefully not the food. To me, dinner is the activity for the night. If I want to rush out, have something to eat and rush back to the park. I'll eat in the park. If I want to have a leisurely dinner and linger over dessert then I will spend the time and make an effort to look the part.

Now, if you want to really cause a problem you can ask the question "is it appropriate to bring young, tired, kids to upscale restaurants later in the evening?"

This has been a fun thread so far, let's keep it in that vain.

 

[lilzebraluvr12]

im new here just so u kno

 

[brytorlyn]

Jackmac..I love bringing my young, tired kids to upscale restaurants...when they are sleeping in the stroller...peace and quiet!!!

Now, as a Canadian , I have a question ....does Florida actually have winter? I have been there at several times of the year and I always thought it was hot.

I am really not trying to be snotty here but...why is that you feel golf course attire should be the standard for upscale restaurants??

 

[Peter Pirate]

Iwaseeyore...Your posts are great and I stand with you...But I need to ask, did we know each other in another life?

 

[Tiffany]

I feel that Disney should enforce the "business casual" code by denying admission to restaurants for people in jeans. I was at Yachtsman and the flying fish this past weekend. People were in jeans, very inappropriate. I asked out waitress about this and she said that only people in tank tops are turned away. I does effect my dining pleasure to see people dressed for the parks in nice restaurants. I endevor to dress for the activity that I'm going to do. Clothes do make the man. I will state that during the summer months I feel that dress shorts should be acceptable at nicer restaurants. Tee shirts and jeans are never acceptable at the better resort restaurants. Parks can be more casual, if you come into the park in the morning and spend the day there ok, park fare is appropriate. If your going to signature restaurants, obey the dress code or have a burger somewhere else.

But Disney tells you that jeans are okay when you book your ADR. In fact I was told this the other day when I booked an ADR for the Yachtsman. She said "business casual" and then went on to so that jeans in good conditon and nice t-shirts were okay.

 

[Tiffany]

I don't understand why someone can't have a "nice meal" because others around them aren't dressed in the same manner.. Honestly and truly, I just don't understand it..

If it's because the person dressed nicely feels odd or out of place, that's a personal self-esteem issue they need to deal with within themselves..

I just don't get it..

I could not agree with you more.

 

[Tiffany]

Bermuda shorts, golf shorts or other nice wear can be appropriate in a tropical climate. That's not the issue. Jeans, cut offs, tee shirts, etc are not approriate for resort dining. They may be more than acceptable for park dining, even in the upscale restaurants. If your going to Narcossis, California Grill, Flying Fish, Yachtsman or other such restaurants dress the part. It's not a surprise when you make your reservation, your told that business casual is expected.

You are told "business casual" but then when they define it for you that tell you that jeans in good conditon and nice t-shirts are okay. I think the problem is that Disney's Business Casual does not mean the same as in the workplace.

 

[Lewisc]

You are told "business casual" but then when they define it for you that tell you that jeans in good conditon and nice t-shirts are okay. I think the problem is that Disney's Business Casual does not mean the same as in the workplace.

It doesn't mean the same as the in the workplace in the Northeast (and other cities) but it is business casual in much of FL.

Disney should drop the term business casual and just describe the attire they're looking for.

 

[iwaseeyore]

Iwaseeyore...Your posts are great and I stand with you...But I need to ask, did we know each other in another life?

 

[Tiffany]

It doesn't mean the same as the in the workplace in the Northeast (and other cities) but it is business casual in much of FL.

Disney should drop the term business casual and just describe the attire they're looking for.

I agree with you.

 

[dvcgirl]

Disney's definition of Business Casual states that jeans are ok. I assume that they mean more of a dress jean than the pair that I wore to change the oil. I see nothing wrong with this in the more upscale resort restaurants. Personally, I would never go to dinner in the Yachtsman, Flying Fish etc. in clothing that was not allowed on a golf course (for a man), and jeans are not allowed on golf courses. Should Disney's definition of business casual be modified to be more restrictive, now that's a good question. Personally, I feel that dress shorts should be allowed during the summer months. During the winter not allowed.

Does it offend me to see people in "park clothing" in the resort restaurants at night. No, but it does give a different flavor to the restaurant, hopefully not the food. To me, dinner is the activity for the night. If I want to rush out, have something to eat and rush back to the park. I'll eat in the park. If I want to have a leisurely dinner and linger over dessert then I will spend the time and make an effort to look the part.

Now, if you want to really cause a problem you can ask the question "is it appropriate to bring young, tired, kids to upscale restaurants later in the evening?"

This has been a fun thread so far, let's keep it in that vain.

I don't have kids, and I don't want to be flamed either, but I think it sort of goes along with the dress code issue. I believe that one of the reasons that people do have a tendency to dress down a bit at the Disney resort restaurants is because there are always children at those restaurants. And so even the more sophisticated restaurants such as California Grill and Jiko don't have a real sophisticated feel to them. Personally I'd feel kind of silly going to a whole lot of trouble getting dressed up to go to Jiko only to be seated next to a table with twin 3 year olds who are coloring on the tablecloth all evening.

Personally, I go to the Disney resort restaurants for the food. I think having a guy next to me in a tank top might be a little foul, but other than that I could care less what people are wearing. In all honesty, I think sometimes that the people who get really dressed up stand out more than those who dress down, purely because they are in the minority.

 

[jiminyfan]

I had some fun reading over the pages of posts. First, I have to agree that Business Casual means a lot different style of dress in California to New York to Florida, what is casual to one may be dressed up to the other. Also, why aren't dress shorts appropiate for men, but skorts are for ladies? Dress shorts look fine, no different than a skort other than a panel across the front. Would it be alright if I wear a skort??

I also have to say that i could careless wht anyone else wears when they eat around me, itis the MANNERS that matter not the dress. Funny thing, but my money is worth just as much when I wear my jeans and t-shirts as it is when I am in a suit and tie. And WOW, I was surprised that I am not charge more or less depending on my dress either. At times I dress up and other times I do not, depends on my mood. I plan on dressing up a bit formy upcoming wine dinner, but will go with a more relax feel for Party of the senses as I have been to a few an know I will most likely be on my feet in a warmer room for 3-4 hours. Reemmber, those of us from the north can be quite warm when the natives from the south are freezing in jackets.

I was shocked this Summer when I saw a famliy being not allowed into California Grill because their 14 year old son did not have a collar on his shirt. He had on a henley style shirt no printing, but nope he was not allowed in - so they delivered a VERY large short for him to wear. Honestly, it looked 4 times worse than his original, but it HAD a collar. I would have told them not thanks and left - sorry but forcing children to dress up is insane.

I have ate in many top fine dining establishments coast to coast and around the world and I am still amazed how some people feel the need to IMPRESS others with their dress. Sorry, you will not impress me with your fancy clothes and jewelery. But, you cna impress me with great table manners and just being a nice.

Oh well, time for another vacation.

Look for me and my CASUAL clothes in fine eating establishments across WDW!!!

 

[denisem]

If I were to be offended by someone else's attire to the extent that it would diminish my evening, I'd merely request a table facing a wall or window.

Problem solved.

 

[Aidensmom]

LA is not nearly as laid back or hot as Florida and I assure you business casual does include jeans in Florida and at WDW.

I completely agree, and stated it earlier on this thread. I work for a company that has offices throughout the country. In our office here in Tampa, our business casual dress code includes jeans and shorts. At least 4 people in my office were in shorts today, including a member of management.

I do like to dress up when I go out to eat on many occassions. However, when you are somewhere like WDW and using the resort transportation, the two hour round trip to go back to your room and change IS a big deal to most people. If I was dining at the resort I was staying at, I would probably dress up. However, if I am dining in a park or at another resort, I am going to wear something a little more "flexible." I, for one, applaud Disney for recognizing how much easier this can make things on people.

 

[jackmac]

Jackmac..I love bringing my young, tired kids to upscale restaurants...when they are sleeping in the stroller...peace and quiet!!!

Now, as a Canadian , I have a question ....does Florida actually have winter? I have been there at several times of the year and I always thought it was hot.

I am really not trying to be snotty here but...why is that you feel golf course attire should be the standard for upscale restaurants??

Well you see I tend to dress very well for my golf game, it makes the people on the first tee forget how bad I play.

Being from the northeast I can understand how you feel that Florida does not have a winter and I would have to agree with that assessment. I was down there last January (and other Januarys) and I can remember many July 4th's that were colder in New England than January in Florida.

Additionally, Peace and quiet is very nice, especially in an upscale restaurant.

 

[puddleduck]

It's sad but our society today is just this way. People don't dress for the theatre, people don't dress for church, people don't dress for COURT! I was on a jury for a week and wore a dress suit every day. I was taught that you wore nice clothes to court as a measure of respect. Did I care that my fellow jurors didn't? No. Sad but no.

Just thought I would point out, but some people called to jury duty do not own dress suits. I would just be proud that 1) they apparently were registered to vote and 2) were performing thier civic duties. I was on jury duty also. I was 22, and on my first job out of college. I was also married and broke. I wore what I wore to my job as a special education teacher, which certainly was not a dress suit. I could have easily gotten out of it, I just wanted to do what was right. I didn't realize I was disrespecting the court by not going out and buying dress suits for the occasion. Also, the church I go to has everyone from suit and tie to nice jeans. Not once have the people in suits and ties distracted me from praising God.

 

[Anewman]

On vacation I enjoy showering/shaving and throwing on at least Dockers, button down shirt and real shoes for dinner. I do not do this for any person but myself, it just feels more comfortable to eat dinner like this.

But no I do not expect anybody else to feel or do as I do.

Now if I went and paid a few hundred bucks for dinner and did not feel the atmosphere was in line(for whatever reason) with the price I paid, I would not complain, I would just CHOOSE to spend my money elsewhere next time. I would not expect everyone else to get out of their Park(McDonalds) clothes just so it could be more in line with what my idea of what a nice dinner is all about. I really doubt that clothing of other guests would be on my list of reasons to never go back to a restaraunt.

I can honestly tell you that I can not remember what persons around me were wearing or not wearing for dinner during our Aug 8-16th trip. I know what the wife and kids were wearing but not the persons at the table next to us.

 

[DreaminDisney]

Well you see I tend to dress very well for my golf game, it makes the people on the first tee forget how bad I play.

That cracked me up!

 

[happygirl]

LOL, the orignal poster said to flame away I guess she got what she wanted I can't even image worrying about what others were wearing, is this highschool?? or Disney