Vegas: Disney Employee Among the Victims & Disney Vigilence

[rteetz]

If you're advocating no inconvenience then there is no solution and we can accept it.

You have kids correct? Did you ever take a stroller to the parks? I just think leaving strollers at home is not the answer so there has to be other ways to do it.

 

[mshanson3121]

If strollers were legitimately a concern wouldn't you think something would have been done by now?

Do you want a list of all the things in the United States that are a legitimate concern, that people turn a blind eye to, for the sake of profit? Or because they just truly underestimate the risk???

 

[lockedoutlogic]

There is something about preserving the magic. This is why you don't see OC sheriffs inside the parks or bomb sniffing dogs. They work undercover inside the parks instead.

I think a stroller parking with claim tickets or something could work. I just think asking people to not use strollers at all is kind of ridiculous.

You're trying to do a comparison between PR/marketing and Public safety. There is no such comparison.

It is ok to disagree...but mining this for "hidden truth" is fruitless

 

[rteetz]

Okay we have gone far too off topic and that includes myself but this is a hot button issue. If we cannot reign it in I will have to close this thread.

 

[mshanson3121]

4. The topic of this thread is a Disneyland CM died in a horrific event. We are not here to discuss theoretical possibilities at Disney.

Actually if you go back and reread my post, the topic of this thread is also specifically about security measure that Disney does/doesn't take about theoretical possibilities.

 

[rteetz]

Actually if you go back and reread my post, the topic of this thread is also specifically about security measure that Disney does/doesn't take about theoretical possibilities.

So then it isn't new or rumors and shouldn't be on this board.

 

[glvsav37]

Disney demanding people leave strollers at home b/c someone might hide a bomb in there would go over just as easily as Disney saying you can't bring in ECV's into the parks. Heck I'd be more worries about those b/c at least there you have moralized parts, electricity and other devises to make a deadly weapon verses a few tent poles on wheels.

NOTHING will be 100% safe. NOTHING. You can regulate the heck out of what a guest brings in or not into a theme ark and some nut job who wants to do damage can still smuggle something in through the back door if they want to bad enough.

Suggesting guests stop bringing in strollers or 'guarding them' is nothing more then stripping away liberties and convinces of innocent people.

 

[smiths02]

Guns are banned from the parks and resorts. The gun rights folks went nuts in 2015 when the metal detectors and wands went in, and then went even more nuts when Disney prosecuted a few people for trying to bring guns into the parks.

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/disney-worlds-concealed-carry-guidelines/

Even before the metal detectors and increased security...Disney did actively try to "profile" people carrying guns. DH is federal law enforcement and more than once he had a friend who visited and was approached about carrying a weapon. So Disney does not allow even federal law enforcement officers...the same guy who walked into the Capitol with a firearm a week earlier...to carry. However, until they make EVERYONE go through a metal detector, there will still be issues.

I also think more metal detectors and moving the people inside main street has helped deter a "lone gunman" type scenario, not necessarily just security theater. More dogs would be helpful also, I imagine.

I also speculate that many large resorts (not just Disney) will try to implement some sort of luggage screening eventually.

As far as terrorist organizations...they will find a way. DH has read scenarios of people infected with terrible diseases like smallpox going into the park and coughing, licking, touching. Or having chemical/biological weapons in a perfume or sunscreen aerosol can.


About the strollers...really there is only so much Disney can take away in terms of security and still have people want to come.
Of course it would be safer if we all have a full cavity search, can't bring anything in with us, and have a psychological and medical screening...but who wants that to go to Disney?
I mean there does have to be a balance.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

You have kids correct? Did you ever take a stroller to the parks? I just think leaving strollers at home is not the answer so there has to be other ways to do it.

I accept the risks in whatever I do. I wouldn't assume that disney - or anybody - would have it "figured out" and that risk was 0. Especially when it's about making money. I passed that milemarker in life long ago.

 

[mshanson3121]

So then it isn't new or rumors and shouldn't be on this board.

I disagree. Considering that this is directly related to the biggest news story going on right now, one of which affected a Disney employee, and is realistically a possible scenario at Disney, I think it's relevant enough to be on this board.

 

[rteetz]

I disagree. Considering that this is directly related to the biggest news story going on right now, one of which affected a Disney employee, and is realistically a possible scenario at Disney, I think it's relevant enough to be on this board.

The board name is Disney Rumors and News. It should focus on that. The Disney news here is that a Disneyland CM died. The rest is speculation and what we feel Disney should do with their security. There is no news or rumors in that.

 

[MaryLovesPoohBear]

There is something about preserving the magic. This is why you don't see OC sheriffs inside the parks or bomb sniffing dogs. They work undercover inside the parks instead.

I think a stroller parking with claim tickets or something could work. I just think asking people to not use strollers at all is kind of ridiculous.

They must have been very undercover. Because I didn't see a dog, other than the one I mentioned, in the park. For 6 days.

It is really difficult to hide a dog.

We could also attach a picture and personal information to the magic band. Then have people use their magic band to leave a stroller. For those that don't have magic bands, use their ticket.

And again, limit how long you can leave something unattended.

 

[rteetz]

They must have been very undercover. Because I didn't see a dog, other than the one I mentioned, in the park. For 6 days.

It is really difficult to hide a dog.

We could also attach a picture and personal information to the magic band. Then have people use their magic band to leave a stroller. For those that don't have magic bands, use their ticket.

And again, limit how long you can leave something unattended.

I am talking about OC Sheriffs. They don't have dogs inside the parks usually.

I agree with the rest in that there are ways to make stroller parking better.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Disney demanding people leave strollers at home b/c someone might hide a bomb in there would go over just as easily as Disney saying you can't bring in ECV's into the parks. Heck I'd be more worries about those b/c at least there you have moralized parts, electricity and other devises to make a deadly weapon verses a few tent poles on wheels.

NOTHING will be 100% safe. NOTHING. You can regulate the heck out of what a guest brings in or not into a theme ark and some nut job who wants to do damage can still smuggle something in through the back door if they want to bad enough.

Suggesting guests stop bringing in strollers or 'guarding them' is nothing more then stripping away liberties and convinces of innocent people.

Though I agree with much of your premise...

Are you really gonna argue about "stripping away liberties" today?

600 people have holes in them today because of the preservation of "liberties"...that's just the way it is.

No laws were broken...until every one was shot. That's gotta be a problem for everyone on some level. I guess I'm just the optimist here.

 

[mshanson3121]

Seeing the other suggestions, and my own about not allowing strollers in the park (meaning you have to rent them in the park), I think that increased canine presence would be a good start, and I also fully think that every person entering a Disney park should have to walk through a metal detector. I mean cripes, you have to in order to get on a plane, kids going to SCHOOLS in at-risk areas have to walk through them, why on earth should we not have to at Disney?

I agree that you definitely can't control everything. But I do also think that there are areas of security that could be beefed up.

 

[melanielll]

I went for years with kids. We took an umbrella stroller in for one part of one day. It was more work than not having the stroller. They are not necessary.

I have seen lone strollers parked in the hub at HEA time on multiple occasions this year. If you want to stand by them - fine. I choose to move away.

 

[glvsav37]

Though I agree with much of your premise...

Are you really gonna argue about "stripping away liberties" today?

600 people have holes in them today because of the preservation of "liberties"...that's just the way it is.

No laws were broken...until every one was shot. That's gotta be a problem for everyone on some level. I guess I'm just the optimist here.

as a matter of fact, yea, I am. And while i feel terrible and mourn those who were killed, I am not going to stop going to concerts or any other public events out of fear of a similar event taking place. I can't and I won't

I stand by my statement that nothing can be 100% secure. Only way to save yourself from being in any situation is to hide in your house everyday.

Changing everything about how and why I have to do things everyday over the fear that someone MAY be looking to cause harm is exactly what terrorists and the like want.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I'm sure that people felt safe at music events, nite clubs, trains, running events and planes until the unthinkable happened.

Bill

Right here...this is why the arrogance that disney has it "covered" is grating me today.

Personal story: when wtc happened, they pretty quickly evaluated the best course of action in wdw and evacuate the parks...filled the hotels back up...it was busy in resorts that day...most of us were there 20 hours or so to coordinate and figure out what was gonna happen in the days ahead.

It was the right call. Some where nervous about "what if they try to bomb us?"...meaning wdw at the time.

I dismissed it...because wtc and the pentagon were POLITICAL targets tied to economics and foreign influence around the world. That was the point.

Now? So many years later...i just don't know. We see repeated attack by domestic fringes on places in occupied public areas meant to scare the mouse poop out of the general Public. Colleges, movie theaters, nightclubs, concerts...tourist attractions in Europe...

I can think of fewer spots that would cause mass hysteria more than Orlando...the mental damage would be intense.

 

[mshanson3121]

as a matter of fact, yea, I am. And while i feel terrible and mourn those who were killed, I am not going to stop going to concerts or any other public events out of fear of a similar event taking place. I can't and I won't

I stand by my statement that nothing can be 100% secure. Only way to save yourself from being in any situation is to hide in your house everyday.

Changing everything about how and why I have to do things everyday over the fear that someone MAY be looking to cause harm is exactly what terrorists and the like want.

His guns were legally purchased and carried actually... he modified them after the fact.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

as a matter of fact, yea, I am. And while i feel terrible and mourn those who were killed, I am not going to stop going to concerts or any other public events out of fear of a similar event taking place. I can't and I won't

I stand by my statement that nothing can be 100% secure. Only way to save yourself from being in any situation is to hide in your house everyday.

Changing everything about how and why I have to do things everyday over the fear that someone MAY be looking to cause harm is exactly what terrorists and the like want.

And to return to your 600 people argument, we can debate the legality of auto weapons and the like in this instance. But until strollers are illegal and can only be bought on the black market, don't dare make the comparison to yesterday's massacre.

Fair enough...

Actually you and I think alike...in most ways.

I don't want bag checks or Mickey cops in front of the parks...becuses I don't like those around feeling too safe and walking around unaware. Much like the excellent campaigns about public awareness that have been carried out effectively in NYC since 2001. Nobody should ever give their brain/logic a day off.

But I don't think kooks with machine guns is "liberties"...that's where we may differ.