Vegas: Disney Employee Among the Victims & Disney Vigilence

[rteetz]

Same as at airports - leave them home or have someone stay with them. If you are truly trying to be secure - lives come before convenience. I have been at Disney with kids of all ages starting at 1 year olds. I didn't use a stroller. It is a convenience. I know most people don't agree with me - but if you want to be safer - there are costs to be paid.

Walk away from a srtoller at an airport and watch what happens. They are trying harder there.

You are talking about a theme park or set of theme parks where people spend 12+ hour days at. People normally don't spend 12 hour days at airports. Sure there are better ways to secure strollers but there is no way you can ask people with young kids to leave them at home or have someone stay with them, that is just never going to happen. Disney has more security than you think. So again I ask what else can you do with the strollers. Comparing airports is not apples to apples.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

That's true, I forgot about that change. I definitely thing that's a better move. It would nice if the other parks could/would follow suit. Or have they already?

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I think they should let people fill in the parks all the way up to the point of the first rides/attractions...which would be substantial in each one...

It helps lessen the crowds out front which is what worries me from a security/incident standpoint.

 

[rteetz]

So - get a group together. They each bring in parts of a device. They they assemble it and place it in a stroller. That's how it can happen.

Plus - I have seen them checking strollers and am not impressed. Do you pay attention to how much undefined liquid people bring into the parks? It is staggering. Plus - things like refillable popcorn buckets... I have never seen one of those looked into. It's too much stuff to even pretend that it can be safely checked. And that is what they are doing - pretending to be safely checking.

I have never felt unsafe at Disney. I think you are looking way too far into this. Yes theoretically someone could do something. Do you realize how much security Disney does have on property though? Cameras are everywhere.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

You are talking about a theme park or set of theme parks where people spend 12+ hour days at. People normally don't spend 12 hour days at airports. Sure there are better ways to secure strollers but there is no way you can ask people with young kids to leave them at home or have someone stay with them, that is just never going to happen. Disney has more security than you think. So again I ask what else can you do with the strollers. Comparing airports is not apples to apples.

You're fighting a losing battle here. Clutter is clutter...no matter the duration.

You can't design effective security around "guest conveniences", fastpass and adrs.

This is the part where disney doesn't get to create their own reality.

 

[rteetz]

You're giving the disney cop sercurity checkers (paul blart) WAAAYYYYY to much credit for those Check lines.

It's a headfake...those people are not FBI agents or trained in military intelligence...

You think nothing can be taken in a park in a stroller?

That might "preserve the magic" for you...but it sure doesnt reflect reality.

If strollers were legitimately a concern wouldn't you think something would have been done by now?

 

[disneynutz]

Most security measures are window dressing. If someone wants to do others harm, there is very little that can be done to stop them.

Bill

 

[rteetz]

You're fighting a losing battle here. Clutter is clutter...no matter the duration.

You can't design effective security around "guest conveniences", fastpass and adrs.

This is the part where disney doesn't get to create their own reality.

I agree strollers are clutter and would love less of them but asking people to leave them at home is just ridiculous.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I have never felt unsafe at Disney. I think you are looking way too far into this. Yes theoretically someone could do something. Do you realize how much security Disney does have on property though? Cameras are everywhere.

No offense...but you saying "I've never felt unsafe at disney" doesn't have a lot of history behind it.

Somebody made a "bomb" that was amateurish and put it in a dumpster at pleasure island when you were about 3...it caused a stir.

It was easy for a know nothing to do...what If somebody trained did it with a real one?

This is about the world...not about Disney's vacation utopia principles.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I agree strollers are clutter and would love less of them but asking people to leave them at home is just ridiculous.

Thinking good security gives a damn about convenience is actually what's ridiculous...

Which is why we have to accept less if we want disney the way WE want it. And their lawyers have to tolerate less.

 

[rteetz]

No offense...but you saying "I've never felt unsafe at disney" doesn't have a lot of history behind it.

Somebody made a "bomb" that was amateurish and put it in a dumpster at pleasure island when you were about 3...it caused a stir.

It was easy for a know nothing to do...what If somebody trained did it with a real one?

This is about the world...not about Disney's vacation utopia principles.

1. Nothing I ever say to you has history behind it. Just because I am young doesn't exactly mean I am stupid or ignorant.

2. The strollers comments are ridiculous to me. You are never ever going to get people to leave strollers at home and Disney isn't going to ask people to do that.

3. Of course someone who trained to do something bad can get away with it.

4. The topic of this thread is a Disneyland CM died in a horrific event. We are not here to discuss theoretical possibilities at Disney.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Most security measures are window dressing. If someone wants to do others harm, there is very little that can be done to stop them.

Bill

Agree totally...which everyone needs to understand about wdw. It's more window dressing than most. It is what it is.

 

[MaryLovesPoohBear]

You are talking about a theme park or set of theme parks where people spend 12+ hour days at. People normally don't spend 12 hour days at airports. Sure there are better ways to secure strollers but there is no way you can ask people with young kids to leave them at home or have someone stay with them, that is just never going to happen. Disney has more security than you think. So again I ask what else can you do with the strollers. Comparing airports is not apples to apples.

Requiring them to be parked at a stroller park. Right now, cast members go to areas and get strollers and move them to park them. Make it a rule that they are parked with a cast member. If not they are removed from the park. You should have to go and claim them. Same with scooters, if they can't be in the line, they must be parked in the proper place. Limit the time that a stroller can be parked there. Same with a scooter. There is no real reason to leave a stroller, all morning, in one place. If you want to do that, Disney can have a location, outside of the park.

Have bomb sniffing dogs in the areas where strollers park. I was in the "world" for 6 days and saw one security dog. And that was at Disney Springs.

And that is just for starters.

 

[melanielll]

I am glad cameras are everywhere. Good footage for the media when something happens. Cameras do nothing in terms of prevention.

 

[mshanson3121]

Same as at airports - leave them home or have someone stay with them. If you are truly trying to be secure - lives come before convenience. I have been at Disney with kids of all ages starting at 1 year olds. I didn't use a stroller. It is a convenience. I know most people don't agree with me - but if you want to be safer - there are costs to be paid.

Walk away from a srtoller at an airport and watch what happens. They are trying harder there.

Well I can definitely tell you that yes, they are a true necessity for many. But, I don't disagree that importing strollers is a risk. Perhaps the logical step would be to not allow imported strollers, and only allow ones rented directly from inside the parks themselves? Bonus for Disney, they can make a few more bucks off rentals...

 

[disneynutz]

I'm sure that people felt safe at music events, nite clubs, trains, running events and planes until the unthinkable happened.

Bill

 

[rteetz]

Requiring them to be parked at a stroller park. Right now, cast members go to areas and get strollers and move them to park them. Make it a rule that they are parked with a cast member. If not they are removed from the park. You should have to go and claim them. Same with scooters, if they can't be in the line, they must be parked in the proper place. Limit the time that a stroller can be parked there. Same with a scooter. There is no real reason to leave a stroller, all morning, in one place. If you want to do that, Disney can have a location, outside of the park.

Have bomb sniffing dogs in the areas where strollers park. I was in the "world" for 6 days and saw one security dog. And that was at Disney Springs.

And that is just for starters.

There is something about preserving the magic. This is why you don't see OC sheriffs inside the parks or bomb sniffing dogs. They work undercover inside the parks instead.

I think a stroller parking with claim tickets or something could work. I just think asking people to not use strollers at all is kind of ridiculous.

 

[rteetz]

I am glad cameras are everywhere. Good footage for the media when something happens. Cameras do nothing in terms of prevention.

So again I ask you for real solutions to the problems. Leaving strollers at home is not one because that is never going to happen.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

1. Nothing I ever say to you has history behind it. Just because I am young doesn't exactly mean I am stupid or ignorant.

2. The strollers comments are ridiculous to me. You are never ever going to get people to leave strollers at home and Disney isn't going to ask people to do that.

3. Of course someone who trained to do something bad can get away with it.

4. The topic of this thread is a Disneyland CM died in a horrific event. We are not here to discuss theoretical possibilities at Disney.

We all feel bad. So if that's the only topic you should close thread.

But it's not the only topic. A nut shot 500 people in public in a vacation Mecca.

Where else also fits that description?...I can only think of 2 places - maybe plus Oahu - that fit that description in the US.

You comments here seem to based in disney operations perspective. That's what I usually argue FOR!! but this is maybe the one exception.

We either accept "headfake" security and go about our days or talk about how things would need to be more difficult. There is no "in between" on this. Can't have it both ways.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

So again I ask you for real solutions to the problems. Leaving strollers at home is not one because that is never going to happen.

If you're advocating no inconvenience then there is no solution and we can accept it.

 

[mshanson3121]

I have never felt unsafe at Disney. I think you are looking way too far into this. Yes theoretically someone could do something. Do you realize how much security Disney does have on property though? Cameras are everywhere.

To be fair - security was all over that hotel, too. And the man managed to get over 20 lethal weapons - SHOTGUNS AND RIFLES...not just tiny hand guns, in to his room.