VDH Opening

[Sunnyore]

Can someone verify for me? I asked 2 different people today in the park and got 2 different answers. If I buy next week, am I paying for prorated 2023 MF from first week of May or Sept 28? Haven’t had experience yet buying a resort before opening. Also confirmed that parking will be decided on 5/2.

 

[KalamityJane]

Can someone verify for me? I asked 2 different people today in the park and got 2 different answers. If I buy next week, am I paying for prorated 2023 MF from first week of May or Sept 28? Haven’t had experience yet buying a resort before opening. Also confirmed that parking will be decided on 5/2.

Someone asked their guide and I believe the dues are prorated from Sept. I’m guessing it’s because VDH is not functional/open until then.

 

[Sandisw]

Can someone verify for me? I asked 2 different people today in the park and got 2 different answers. If I buy next week, am I paying for prorated 2023 MF from first week of May or Sept 28? Haven’t had experience yet buying a resort before opening. Also confirmed that parking will be decided on 5/2.

If you have a Feb to Sept UY, it will be from September 28th...for Oct, it will be from Oct 1st, and for Dec, it will be from December 1st.

It is always prorated to the opening date of the resort, or when you first set of points begin, whichever is later...

 

[happythoughts & pixiedust]

I already have a blue card. Can anyone articulate an argument for buying VDH if you already have direct benefits? I was all in, then out, then in, and now I’m thinking about just waiting and trying to book at 7 mo with my direct points. I really want VDH, but is the smart money move to wait and see if I can book at 7 mo (will travel mostly in January or March)? If I can’t book at 7 mo I can wait and buy resale (I would only use at VDH so restrictions don’t matter - I own resale Riv and it works fine).

So I guess the real questions are - 1) who thinks VDH at 7 mo will be possible (studios) and 2) who thinks resale VDH will be available at a significant discount to direct in 2 years?

 

[soniam]

I already have a blue card. Can anyone articulate an argument for buying VDH if you already have direct benefits? I was all in, then out, then in, and now I’m thinking about just waiting and trying to book at 7 mo with my direct points. I really want VDH, but is the smart money move to wait and see if I can book at 7 mo (will travel mostly in January or March)? If I can’t book at 7 mo I can wait and buy resale (I would only use at VDH so restrictions don’t matter - I own resale Riv and it works fine).

So I guess the real questions are - 1) who thinks VDH at 7 mo will be possible (studios) and 2) who thinks resale VDH will be available at a significant discount to direct in 2 years?

I think it’s hard to say. Trying to compare it to the existing WDW DVC or VGC is hard. I think it depends how much the price/point, TOT, potential for pay parking, and lack of 1 and 2 bedrooms affect the demand. These things kind of threw people for a loop. Seems some people are out now, but not sure how many are still in.

 

[MartyParty]

I already have a blue card. Can anyone articulate an argument for buying VDH if you already have direct benefits? I was all in, then out, then in, and now I’m thinking about just waiting and trying to book at 7 mo with my direct points. I really want VDH, but is the smart money move to wait and see if I can book at 7 mo (will travel mostly in January or March)? If I can’t book at 7 mo I can wait and buy resale (I would only use at VDH so restrictions don’t matter - I own resale Riv and it works fine).

So I guess the real questions are - 1) who thinks VDH at 7 mo will be possible (studios) and 2) who thinks resale VDH will be available at a significant discount to direct in 2 years?

My two cents. I think early on it will be easy to book at the 7 month mark not owning at VDH. After 5-7 years it “might“ be difficult. My wife prefers 1 bedrooms and our thinking is with less than 20 of those booking at 7 months will be difficult.

As for already having a blue card, VDH will only offer you an 11 month booking advantage.

Having said all the above, we are looking to buy. It’s a long story but we’re in. Short version is we want to visit Disneyland annually and do it via DVC.

 

[HIRyeDVC]

I already have a blue card. Can anyone articulate an argument for buying VDH if you already have direct benefits? I was all in, then out, then in, and now I’m thinking about just waiting and trying to book at 7 mo with my direct points. I really want VDH, but is the smart money move to wait and see if I can book at 7 mo (will travel mostly in January or March)? If I can’t book at 7 mo I can wait and buy resale (I would only use at VDH so restrictions don’t matter - I own resale Riv and it works fine).

So I guess the real questions are - 1) who thinks VDH at 7 mo will be possible (studios) and 2) who thinks resale VDH will be available at a significant discount to direct in 2 years?

I feel your dilemma. I think there will be good 7 month availability for premium view deluxe studios. There are over 300 of them. That’s a lot of inventory. I also think owners will try to use their points elsewhere more than any other resort because of the ridiculously high TOT. No I do not think VDH resale will be available at SIGNIFICANT discount because restrictions won’t matter as much at VDH. I would wait a year to buy direct. This thing will be selling for awhile IMO. Who knows. Maybe the incentives will get even better like VGC did 15 years ago.

 

[nalabear]

I already have a blue card. Can anyone articulate an argument for buying VDH if you already have direct benefits? I was all in, then out, then in, and now I’m thinking about just waiting and trying to book at 7 mo with my direct points. I really want VDH, but is the smart money move to wait and see if I can book at 7 mo (will travel mostly in January or March)? If I can’t book at 7 mo I can wait and buy resale (I would only use at VDH so restrictions don’t matter - I own resale Riv and it works fine).

So I guess the real questions are - 1) who thinks VDH at 7 mo will be possible (studios) and 2) who thinks resale VDH will be available at a significant discount to direct in 2 years?

Personally; i would wait since you already have blue status AND don't mind VDH restrictions to VDH only. With Blue; you have 7month access and I don't think it'll be an issue getting in at 7months near term while still selling inventory.

We just don't have blue so trying to determine if VDH direct vs AKL $165+bonus points direct -- all depends on incentives come May 2.

 

[Chili327]

I already have a blue card. Can anyone articulate an argument for buying VDH if you already have direct benefits? I was all in, then out, then in, and now I’m thinking about just waiting and trying to book at 7 mo with my direct points. I really want VDH, but is the smart money move to wait and see if I can book at 7 mo (will travel mostly in January or March)? If I can’t book at 7 mo I can wait and buy resale (I would only use at VDH so restrictions don’t matter - I own resale Riv and it works fine).

So I guess the real questions are - 1) who thinks VDH at 7 mo will be possible (studios) and 2) who thinks resale VDH will be available at a significant discount to direct in 2 years?

Unless you’re buying enough points to get in on the incentives I definitely would NOT be in a rush…. And you can always add-on points down the road, especially after you try it at 7 months.

 

[Sunnyore]

I already have a blue card. Can anyone articulate an argument for buying VDH if you already have direct benefits? I was all in, then out, then in, and now I’m thinking about just waiting and trying to book at 7 mo with my direct points. I really want VDH, but is the smart money move to wait and see if I can book at 7 mo (will travel mostly in January or March)? If I can’t book at 7 mo I can wait and buy resale (I would only use at VDH so restrictions don’t matter - I own resale Riv and it works fine).

So I guess the real questions are - 1) who thinks VDH at 7 mo will be possible (studios) and 2) who thinks resale VDH will be available at a significant discount to direct in 2 years?

I think you should have an easy time booking studios at 7mos as long as you don’t mind PV. I don’t know about VDH resale being really discounted because there will be plenty of dland fans that will be happy to stay at Disneyland Hotel. I feel like this is where you can’t really compare Riviera with VDH when there’s only 2 DVCs on the west coast with very little chance of any more being built at least not in the near future. My argument for me buying is because I want the duos and SV studios. I think people that want 1-2 bedrooms will need the 11 month advantage too. Also for me I don’t feel I have enough direct points currently. I bought in at 125 and I can see myself wanting to stay at all the upcoming new dvcs being built at some point. I’ve entertained the AKL promo but I really want west coast advantage since I live here and also I don’t need 200 points. I feel good about renting out VDH points too if need be. And also for me Harbor neighbor hotels don’t make sense for me because if I’m going to stay out of the bubble then I might as well drive home to sleep. I did EMH earlier this week for the first time and while it’s only 30 minutes, it really felt like a bonus. So I’m in. If they announce parking isn’t included I’ll be fuming but I’ll get over it when I book my nights for Oogie Boogie

 

[Chili327]

Is this for real… If you buy only 50 points they don't count towards your 150 minimum for member benefits??

 

[The_MT]

Personally; i would wait since you already have blue status AND don't mind VDH restrictions to VDH only. With Blue; you have 7month access and I don't think it'll be an issue getting in at 7months near term while still selling inventory.

We just don't have blue so trying to determine if VDH direct vs AKL $165+bonus points direct -- all depends on incentives come May 2.

The AKL discount ends May 1 so you'll want to lock it in by then and once you see the VDH restrictions your guide can help you cancel the AKL within 10 days of signing the contract if you decide to go with VDH instead

 

[NorCalDisFan]

I did EMH earlier this week for the first time and while it’s only 30 minutes, it really felt like a bonus.

yes it was short but valuable for my family during my last Sep. visit.
One day In DL park we rode space mountain and ROR, and the other day in DCA we rode GOG x 3 and RSR, with almost no wait during Early Entry. Regarding ROR and RSR, they were close during EE, but it made us stand in front rows of rope drop.

 

[Sandisw]

I already have a blue card. Can anyone articulate an argument for buying VDH if you already have direct benefits? I was all in, then out, then in, and now I’m thinking about just waiting and trying to book at 7 mo with my direct points. I really want VDH, but is the smart money move to wait and see if I can book at 7 mo (will travel mostly in January or March)? If I can’t book at 7 mo I can wait and buy resale (I would only use at VDH so restrictions don’t matter - I own resale Riv and it works fine).

So I guess the real questions are - 1) who thinks VDH at 7 mo will be possible (studios) and 2) who thinks resale VDH will be available at a significant discount to direct in 2 years?

Until we see where sales settle in after a few months, I think It’s hard to predict 7 month booking, but there are a lot of rooms…so I do think it will be likely.

I don’t know about significant discount, but you are going to have a much smaller buying pool..like you do for VGC…but the difference is that the TOT tax is much larger…which I think will impact what some might be willing to pay for the points.

 

[Sandisw]

For anyone interested, I did look at the VGC POS. It does not include any info on how the TOT tax Is determined so that info would have to be gathered by reaching out to DVD or seeing if records exist.

For parking, there is no guarantee that access to underground parking has to be allowed, similar to access to pools etc since those are not common elements of the time share.

There is a parking easement agreement that defines the use of the lot and it does indicate the filing number…but, there seems to be some language to indicate that agreement can be changed or ceased and DVD could get into an agreement for parking elsewhere.

In terms of VDH, my assumption…a big one…is that the same agreement that was made with VGC condo association is still being decided with the hotel division…and why they said it may require a fee…or, they will end up having parking eslewhere?

I don’t see anything that requires the TOT to be part of VGC dues but that might be because there is an additional document that explains that in more detail. ….not all agreements and to owners unless requests…ie: property management agreement with Disney.…you have to request.. I assume one should be able to get the parking easement one as well.

So, it will be interesting to see what language might be included…or not…in the VDH documents.

 

[nlenguyen]

We're VGC in March with resale; was VDH direct for blue and really will depend on the level of incentives to get us in. The AKL at $165+free year = $145 is very enticing for us and then resale VDH next 2-3 years when they hit the sweet spot.

Just to let you know that the AKL incentives end i believe tomorrow

 

[nlenguyen]

I am hoping that with almost 300 studio's that are limited to eligible contracts and what has been talked about (high points, ToT, parking) that the number of rooms would be relatively easier to book at 7 months. That and locals typically not planning that far in advance.

 

[KalamityJane]

We're VGC in March with resale; was VDH direct for blue and really will depend on the level of incentives to get us in. The AKL at $165+free year = $145 is very enticing for us and then resale VDH next 2-3 years when they hit the sweet spot.

You can always buy into AKL, then switch to VDH if the incentives are enough or cancel altogether since you’d be within the 10 day window.

 

[DonMacGregor]

For parking, there is no guarantee that access to underground parking has to be allowed, similar to access to pools etc since those are not common elements of the time share.

I've never seen any guest parking in the garage, only valet. I'm not even sure where guests would/could access the garage from the hotel area.

 

[Sandisw]

I've never seen any guest parking in the garage, only valet. I'm not even sure where guests would/could access the garage from the hotel area.

I am not familiar with the resort but wanted to point out it appears to be part of a shared expenses at the resort vs the lot which is under a special parking easement agreement.