vbs daycare problem no more solved..

[disneyjunkie]

Was it ever offically closed??

No

Just a request, but the mods didn't comply

I’ve been a DISer for 8 years. I’ve seen a lot of things here. But this is the first time I’ve seen an open, close, open thread.

 

[happygirl]

No

Just a request, but the mods didn't comply

I’ve been a DISer for 8 years. I’ve seen a lot of things here. B
I haven't been here that long; I haven't seen it either lol.

 

[Wishing on a star]

How is everyone missing the key point here...... she asked their approval before agreeing to VOLUNTEER at VBS.

I firmly believe that the parents NEVER fully agreed with this.

In the very original post, the OP states that she just recently talked to the parents, 'asking', about the two year old and the older sibling. No way would she be asking if everything was arranged lock-stock-and-barrel.

I think that she was going on wishful thinking, instead of seeing that she was putting these parents in a very uncomfortable position.
I don't believe she simply 'asked for their approval'.
I believe that she put pressure on them to let her do this.
To the point that they were looking for alternate arrangements.

I believe that the parents do not feel, and never really felt, that this VBS arrangement is appropriate for their two year old. I personally would agree. No way would I find it acceptable for my son as a toddler. (or even preschooler)

From point one, I believe that these parents were seeking alternate day care (grandparents, etc...) in order to try to appease the situation.

The OP should NEVER have put her paying customers in a position of having to find other day care arrangements.

No way is the OP 'doing this for the kids'.
If it was, she could send the older child(ren) to VBS, and still provide daycare for those who did not like the idea.

She choose to make a major commitment to volunteer for a week.
She chose to be a primary teacher for the week.
Yes, IMHO, that is basicly shutting down her home day care, and bailing on the parents.

 

[tasha99]

I firmly believe that the parents NEVER fully agreed with this.

In the very original post, the OP states that she just recently talked to the parents, 'asking', about the two year old and the older sibling. No way would she be asking if everything was arranged lock-stock-and-barrel.

I think that she was going on wishful thinking, instead of seeing that she was putting these parents in a very uncomfortable position.
I don't believe she simply 'asked for their approval'.
I believe that she put pressure on them to let her do this.
To the point that they were looking for alternate arrangements.

I believe that the parents do not feel, and never really felt, that this VBS arrangement is appropriate for their two year old. I personally would agree. No way would I find it acceptable for my son as a toddler. (or even preschooler)

From point one, I believe that these parents were seeking alternate day care (grandparents, etc...) in order to try to appease the situation.

The OP should NEVER have put her paying customers in a position of having to find other day care arrangements.

No way is the OP 'doing this for the kids'.
If it was, she could send the older child(ren) to VBS, and still provide daycare for those who did not like the idea.

She choose to make a major commitment to volunteer for a week.
She chose to be a primary teacher for the week.
Yes, IMHO, that is basicly shutting down her home day care, and bailing on the parents.

You can't know from this thread how firm the parents or the daycare provider were. It basically comes down to each adult--the parent and the provider--needing to be a "big girl." Basically, the provider had a duty to let the parents know and get their "okay," and the parents had a duty (if informed) to give a firm answer. I would fully expect someone old enough to have children to be old enough to give a yes or no answer and to be able to avoid being influenced by pressure from the provider.

 

[ehstrojette]

the agreement was for the 2 younger ones at first that was made 6 weeks ago)when I asked them.. then they said they would like the 12 yr old to go and they would find someone else(family member) to watch the 2 yr old 2 days that week.. he is normally home on monday and my hubby would watch him on tues and friday.I would have the 5 yr old all day in my class and the 12 yr old would be in my sight all but about an hr during their seperate bible study time.
I didnt ask them to find other arraingments it was their idea in the first place. The dad was the one who changed his mind at the last minute and decided he didnt want them to travel for the whole 5 days(the 5 and 12 yr old) I have been asking the mom the past 2 weeks if the 2 yr old was gonna have to come on weds and thursday or if they found someone.. she never spoke to the dad till I asked him on friday when he told me he changed his mind about the traveling
we will know do field trips on days the # 2 family will not be at my house.. mostly mondays

 

[happygirl]

Bottom line for me. This woman has kids she watch she has another thing to do that week so she is finding someone else to watch them. They will not be in her care I wouldn't pay her for that and my kids wouldn't go back either.

 

[Wishing on a star]

Bottom line for me. This woman has kids she watch she has another thing to do that week so she is finding someone else to watch them. They will not be in her care I wouldn't pay her for that and my kids wouldn't go back either.

Same here....

There is no justification in my mind for the the OP to ever even give the parents ANY cause to have to seek alternate day-care.

My child would be placed somewhere that the childcare provider understood her role as a professional child care provider, and who understood what is/isn't appropriate for two year olds.

 

[Rebelmom67]

Bottom line for me. This woman has kids she watch she has another thing to do that week so she is finding someone else to watch them. They will not be in her care I wouldn't pay her for that and my kids wouldn't go back either.

Exactly. Plain ol' common sense.

 

[happygirl]

I can understand daycares closing for holidays and vacations but when they do that they shouldn't expect people to pay for it.

Now If I'm going on vacation or my kids aren't going to be there that is my choice. I still have to pay

 

[Wishing on a star]

Exactly. Plain ol' common sense.

Yes, common sense would dictate that if you had a job taking care of a two year old, you simply would not even begin to consider working for a week somewhere else.

 

[happygirl]

Yes, common sense would dictate that if you had a job taking care of a two year old, you simply would not even begin to consider working for a week somewhere else.

I agree

 

[torinsmom]

Same here....

There is no justification in my mind for the the OP to ever even give the parents ANY cause to have to seek alternate day-care.

My child would be placed somewhere that the childcare provider understood her role as a professional child care provider, and who understood what is/isn't appropriate for two year olds.

So, should the provider not ever go on vacation? That would be a time that the parents would have to find alternate child care. Or what if she is injured or sick? What then? Providers need time off, just like other workers. If you don't want your provider to have time off, you need to pay the big bucks for the center, where your child will get less one on one and have colds and viruses every few weeks that keep you out of work. I think people want to have their cake and eat it too.

I am thinking I need to call the families I used to sit for and thank them for being such good "employers". I got time off and they let me take their child(ren) to the park, pool, mall and anywhere I went. I treated them like they were my kids and the parents appreciated that extra I gave them. We treated each other with respect and I truly enjoyed my job.

I am assuming that if the parents had originally said they didn't agree with the VBS plan, the OP would have either taken it as a vacation week or told the church she couldn't do it. The parents agreed 6 weeks ago, so I don't think the OP was out of line. If they weren't sure, they should have told her they needed to think on it for a few days.

OP, sounds like you have found a middle ground. I am sure your church and all the parents of the children you will be teaching are very appreciative of your volunteering.

Marsha

 

[happygirl]

So, should the provider not ever go on vacation? That would be a time that the parents would have to find alternate child care. Or what if she is injured or sick? What then? Providers need time off, just like other workers. If you don't want your provider to have time off, you need to pay the big bucks for the center, where your child will get less one on one and have colds and viruses every few weeks that keep you out of work. I think people want to have their cake and eat it too.

I am thinking I need to call the families I used to sit for and thank them for being such good "employers". I got time off and they let me take their child(ren) to the park, pool, mall and anywhere I went. I treated them like they were my kids and the parents appreciated that extra I gave them. We treated each other with respect and I truly enjoyed my job.

I am assuming that if the parents had originally said they didn't agree with the VBS plan, the OP would have either taken it as a vacation week or told the church she couldn't do it. The parents agreed 6 weeks ago, so I don't think the OP was out of line. If they weren't sure, they should have told her they needed to think on it for a few days.

OP, sounds like you have found a middle ground. I am sure your church and all the parents of the children you will be teaching are very appreciative of your volunteering.

Marsha

I don't care how much time she has off. She shouldn't charge when she is off

 

[Wishing on a star]

This isn't about the OP going on vacation.
It would have been well and good if the OP planned to shut down her home day care for vacation.
Then, there would have been no conflict of interests.
She could volunteer for Vacation Bible School to her hearts content.

This is about the OP wanting to place the child in an unacceptable situation and continue be paid, while, instead of providing appropriate care, she pursued other interests.

HUGE difference.

Not even on the same plane.

 

[happygirl]

OP, Even though I don't agree with how you are handling this, I think it's wonderful you are helping with VBS it so hard to find people willing to help.

 

[themilesfamily]

I am assuming that if the parents had originally said they didn't agree with the VBS plan, the OP would have either taken it as a vacation week or told the church she couldn't do it. The parents agreed 6 weeks ago, so I don't think the OP was out of line. If they weren't sure, they should have told her they needed to think on it for a few days.

I agree with this -- as I posted somewhere earlier -- the parents and the OP had made an arrangement 6 weeks previous. Now they're suddenly changing their mind about what to do, leaving the OP in a predicament.

If they don't want to go along with the original arrangement, they can find someone else to provide daycare -- best of luck to them finding someone willing to watch their kids for dirt cheap, as OP does.

 

[ehstrojette]

dont know if you got the message but I am only charging them for tues and friday since my husband will be watching them till I get back from VBS. My husband is my sub for when I have doctors appts and such.. but I am charging the drop in rates so it will be 30per day. I am not charging them the whole week now.

Wish DIS had an ignore button sometimes..


If they would have had a problem I would have never volunteered.


I think the prorated fee for this week if the fairest thing to do IMHO

In the 7 yrs I have been watching kids. I have never had a complaint against me and all my kids have a blast either here at my house or on outings. Next yr if i do vbs,swimming outing,zoo and others will be listed months in advance and if they choose not to send their child then that will be their choice. I am not gonna change my rules that have been set for that long because of this situation but will be raising my rates a bit as a previous poster mentioned.. I need to stop being such a friend in my fees and keep the professional and private friendships i have with them seperate


you guys have given me many things to think about thanks

 

[Mouse House Mama]

This isn't about the OP going on vacation.
It would have been well and good if the OP planned to shut down her home day care for vacation.
Then, there would have been no conflict of interests.
She could volunteer for Vacation Bible School to her hearts content.

This is about the OP wanting to place the child in an unacceptable situation and continue be paid, while, instead of providing appropriate care, she pursued other interests.

HUGE difference.

Not even on the same plane.

You know, I have been following this thread and at first I thought the OP was right but now not at all. I agree with the poster I quoted. If I had to wager a guess I would say that the family wasn't really comfortable with the VBS to begin with. I would bet that they were not all gung ho but rather "Oh......uh okay....." and didn't want to give the OP a hard time because they are friends etc. The OP should have picked up on that. Clearly this is speculation on my part.
Also- if I an hiring YOU to watch my kids that does not mean that I pay you so someone else who I don't even know watches them. When you knew they were trying to find alternate care for their little ones you should have abandoned the whole idea. Clearly you were putting them in a bind and they didn't want their young ones going. It is very nice of you to volunteer but when you are paid to do a job that comes first. If you want to take time to teach during your vacation weeks then go crazy, but to volunteer when you are supposed to be working is wrong. If you were hired by me I would not be happy and I would be looking for someone else because you would not be reliable to me. JMHO.

 

[BCDisneyFanatic]

dont know if you got the message but I am only charging them for tues and friday since my husband will be watching them till I get back from VBS. My husband is my sub for when I have doctors appts and such.. but I am charging the drop in rates so it will be 30per day. I am not charging them the whole week now.

Wish DIS had an ignore button sometimes..


If they would have had a problem I would have never volunteered.


I think the prorated fee for this week if the fairest thing to do IMHO

In the 7 yrs I have been watching kids. I have never had a complaint against me and all my kids have a blast either here at my house or on outings. Next yr if i do vbs,swimming outing,zoo and others will be listed months in advance and if they choose not to send their child then that will be their choice. I am not gonna change my rules that have been set for that long because of this situation but will be raising my rates a bit as a previous poster mentioned.. I need to stop being such a friend in my fees and keep the professional and private friendships i have with them seperate


you guys have given me many things to think about thanks

It sounds like you've worked out a compromise you can live with. I still think the parents are out of line, but sometimes it's important to take the high road, especially if you are generally happy working with the family.

I think you'd be exactly what I'd be looking for if I needed a sitter...as long as your rules are clearly laid out, I am positive that you will find many like-minded individuals who would be happy to have you look after their children. And in regards to those on the DIS who wouldn't want you as their sitter because they think that you are out of line volunteering at the VBS, well, they probably aren't the kind of people that you'd want as your clients anyway.

 

[Mouse House Mama]

It sounds like you've worked out a compromise you can live with. I still think the parents are out of line, but sometimes it's important to take the high road, especially if you are generally happy working with the family.

I think you'd be exactly what I'd be looking for if I needed a sitter...as long as your rules are clearly laid out, I am positive that you will find many like-minded individuals who would be happy to have you look after their children. And in regards to those on the DIS who wouldn't want you as their sitter because they think that you are out of line volunteering at the VBS, well, they probably aren't the kind of people that you'd want as your clients anyway.[/QUOTE]


Wow.

Yes, I suppose the OP wouldn't want me as a client because I would expect the person I hire to watch my children to actually watch them and not pass them off to people who are strangers to me. I don't care if it is VBS or basketweaving, volunteering your time when you are supposed to be doing your job and people are counting on you is wrong.