using someones tickets

[drogerstn]

Do you not understand the difference between law and company policies? When a person purchases a ticket they enter into a business transaction with Disney and agree to follow the terms of that said transaction. One such term is that the ticket is non transferrable. Disney has every right to set such policy. You do not have a right to disreguard such policies just because you don't like it.

WDW has a right to set a policy if its within the framework of the law; a clear definition has been laid out. No one is obligated to follow a policy that is not legal. What if WDW came out with a policy that gave people of a particular race, religion, gender, etc. priority in the lines? Their rule so live with it?

No mention of this policy was made when I purchased PH tickets over the phone; therefore, I did not enter into a nontransferable agreement when I purchased the tickets.

 

[baloo722]

from sha_lyn


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by the way, i'm sure your boss, mr. eisner, wouldn't appreciate you telling potential customers not to do business with disney....
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I DO NOT WORK FOR DISNEY


Sweetheart, it was a joke. you really need to lighten up. I did not call you any names, and i even sent you hugs and kisses. Don't i get some love in return?

for the record, I don't use others' passes or give mine away, I just can't stand when people act like they run the joint.

 

[peachgirl]

Not being a lawyer, you can take this for what it's worth, but...


I believe Disney puts the non-tranferable clause on the tickets so that they'll have a leg to stand on when they choose to press the issue of unauthorized agents selling their tickets. That of course, with the understanding that Disney can print anything they want to on their tickets, but if it isn't "legal" it means nothing.

If Disney doesn't say they're non-transferable, then anyone who wanted to sell them could. Imagine the problems Disney would run into if they allowed this. A competitor or any business for that matter could offer Disney tickets at reduced prices or even free as an incentive to spend money with them, and that's just for starters.

So, they put that clause in there. Like many of their rules, it's their rule and they can enforce it when and if they choose.

If your conscience tells you to follow those rules literally, then you should. I think that they'd have no problem with the OP using them as they said they intended. If it were me, I'd do what I always do when I have a question about these things...I'd call them and ask. My bet is they would say there was no problem whatsoever.

I just thought I was clearing up the lies that were being told to the OP.

I don't know about anyone else, but I see no need to call people liars who are simply experessing their opinions. Perhaps you should raise your standards regarding being civil and polite to the same level as you have regarding the use of WDW passes.

 

[Mike]

I've been reading and posting to these boards for just about four years now and I've noticed that there are some people who stop typing only long enough to polish their own halo. There are some worse than others - but it's the same people over and over again......

 

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by miko
Since we are a provider of some "bio-scanner" equipment I can say in most cases fingerprints are recorded and matched in the "bio-scan" process. Artifacts in the "bio-scan" process contain significant history files to relate scanned image to base data. In other words fingerprints are used in match.

This is off topic at bit, but at this point I don't think it much matters...

Since you deal with this type of equipment, perhaps you can explain something for me.

I have an identical twin sister. We both have PAP's. For a couple of days on our last trip we had our AP's switched without realizing it. We never had a problem with the scanners which is why we didn't catch it. At any rate, I always thought that the scanners measured the fingers by bone structure or size or something along those lines. Even though it's my understanding that our fingerprints are identical, I wouldn't have thought that our fingers were so exactly the same that the scanner wouldn't detect a difference. So, is it fingerprints or what that the scanner records? Or, is the machine basically worthless?

 

[baloo722]

Mike, I agree completely...there was one in particular that comes to mind......

 

[miko]

I have an identical twin sister. We both have PAP's. For a couple of days on our last trip we had our AP's switched without realizing it. We never had a problem with the scanners which is why we didn't catch it. At any rate, I always thought that the scanners measured the fingers by bone structure or size or something along those lines. Even though it's my understanding that our fingerprints are identical, I wouldn't have thought that our fingers were so exactly the same that the scanner wouldn't detect a difference. So, is it fingerprints or what that the scanner records? Or, is the machine basically worthless?

I am not sure who's detector and scanner WDW uses, however the process can be set to determine a % of accuracy to original data. Since this is admission to a theme park and not a national security facility, I would imagine the detector is looking for somewhere around a 30% match, size, shape, actual fingerprint and so on. Most likely you and your twin have overlapping similarities, at least enough to pass the WDW detector criteria.

 

[alvernon90]

Originally posted by sha_lyn

I know I said I was done but how can WDW official word
be taken in any other way than that the tickets are to be used by only one person and can not be shared or given away?

Because, unlike you, the folks at Walt Disney World are REASONABLE instead of pointlessly pedantic.

As many other posters have pointed out, if WDW was interested in enforcing their "nontransferable" policy on park hopper passes, they would link them to biometrics. Why wouldn't they? The machines are already there and in use for annual passes. The reason they don't is that they don't care to enforce this particular policy unless (as other posters have mentioned) somebody is reselling passes for a profit.

As many on these boards can testify, Disney FREQUENTLY disregards their written policies in order to give a better guest experience. It is a written policy to charge extra for water view rooms at resorts, but lots of people get upgraded for free. It's written policy to make people pay for ice cream bars, but you can get a free one if you drop yours. And even though it is technically against their policy to allow people to give away their unusued hopper passes, they allow it. You can even sell it on eBay, since hundreds of people do it every week and yet you very rarely hear of people having their passes confiscated.

The very idea that WDW would confiscate hundreds of dollars worth of park passes and send children away from the gates of the Magic Kingdom simply because they got the passes from their uncle is RIDICULOUS! It's a good thing you don't work for Disney, sha_lyn, because Disney CMs try to make people happy; they don't try to ruin family vacations because of some legal fine print on the back of a ticket.

 

[4greatboys]

To the OP--use you passes as you wish. If they are the php and have no names on them there will be no way anyone would know they were notthe orginal owners of the passes.
When we have left over php I keep them to use for our next trip. When they are all kept together there is no way to know EXACTLY which passes were for who but since we are keeping it all in the family its not big deal.
Sha_lyn the only word that come to mind for you is ridiculous. You comments have been way out of line. Its IN NO WAY compared to stealing. Stealing is when something is taken having NEVER been paid for. You really need to get over yourself.

 

[baloo722]

"pointlessly pedantic" ... nice alliteration!

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by Master Grayson
As far as buying a 5 day and passing it back to family as each one enters the park it can't happen, the readers will flag the ticket . But for the Annual passes the Bio scans mean nothing! I just returned from 13 nights and I had used my step father's AP for the entire trip and he used mine with NO problems what so ever. So go figure!



Just to clear things up before I get flamed the passes were accidentally switched.

That is amazing. Heat makes my fingers swell and sets the darn readers off often. So, there is something to be said for the Bio scans. This sounds like a "fun" thing to do this coming Sept.
I will take Dee's and he can take mine and see what interesting things happen. Dee, btw, is a male.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by sha_lyn
Please note that all multi-day Walt Disney World® Theme Park Tickets are nontransferable and must be used by the same person on any and all days. The person that uses the ticket for the very first time must use the ticket for its entirety. Any tickets that are transferred in violation of this restriction are invalid for admission.

I know I said I was done but how can WDW official word
be taken in any other way than that the tickets are to be used by only one person and can not be shared or given away?

Well, PLEASE, make sure when you go, you write the names of the proper person on the proper ticket.
As I said before, without a name, they will never ever know and if they really cared, they would require a name on the ticket.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by miko
Since we are a provider of some "bio-scanner" equipment I can say in most cases fingerprints are recorded and matched in the "bio-scan" process. Artifacts in the "bio-scan" process contain significant history files to relate scanned image to base data. In other words fingerprints are used in match.

Not to grind away at this, but, I would definitely take your word as gospel on this matter IF when I went in the heat and my fingers were swollen the scanner did not reject the scan. My fingerprints do not change in the heat, but, my fingers do. Go figure.
This is from Deb's site:

Why does Disney need my fingerprints?

This admission system has nothing to do with your fingerprints. It scans your index and middle fingers and uses a geometric formula to come up with a number that will identify your fingers. The calculated number is apparently something that is not totally unique, but is statistically significant in identifying you.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by drogerstn
WDW has a right to set a policy if its within the framework of the law; a clear definition has been laid out. No one is obligated to follow a policy that is not legal. What if WDW came out with a policy that gave people of a particular race, religion, gender, etc. priority in the lines? Their rule so live with it?

No mention of this policy was made when I purchased PH tickets over the phone; therefore, I did not enter into a nontransferable agreement when I purchased the tickets.

Not sure why you don't think this rule is legal. Discrimination is illegal, setting a no transfer policy is not.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by sha_lyn
It amazes me how bent out of shape people get when they try to justify breaking the rules. It is your choice to enter into an agreement with WDW when you purchase the ticket. You can not however change the rules of the agreement. Please don't pretend that you don't know the difference between someone buying all the passes for their family trip and the giving away or selling of a ticket once it has been activated. Diseny certainly sees/knows the difference other wise they would not sell more than 1 ticket per person per transaction. Perhaps they should change the wording to "non transferrable once activated". This should clarify WDW's position to those who believe that the non transferrable policy doesn't include them.

Diseny certainly sees/knows the difference other wise they would not sell more than 1 ticket per person per transaction.

What ARE you talking about? I have bought numerous passes from Disney at the same time. Talk about misinformation.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by sha_lyn
So by stating WDW policies I'm acting like the ticket police. I just thought I was clearing up the lies that were being told to the OP. I didn't know that telling the truth is being silly. I'm not advocating anything I am stating WDW policy. You are the one who is clearly upset. Once again I suggest you vent your fustration concerning WDW policies toward those who set them and not me.

No one is telling lies here, and I would appreciate it if you would not call people liars so easily. We are stating the policy and opinions.
Disney has many policies that they DO NOT enforce, this is just another one. Refillable Mugs, Food in the major parks, etc.
Given this information, you can now direct your boundless energy into enforcing those rules when some unfortunate person posts a question.

 

[drogerstn]

Not sure why you don't think this rule is legal. Discrimination is illegal, setting a no transfer policy is not.

Setting the policy may not be illegal if its not enforced, but its a bad example on my part. My point is that WDW does not have a legal leg to stand on if they tried to enforce the "nontransferability" of a PH when there is no commercial transaction involved.

During our 1st visit to WDW, we had to sign the PH ticket and there was a place to sign for each day we entered the park. The Forida statute that is now in place ensures that the tickets can be transferred in a non-commercial transaction and also makes it clear that the nontransferable clause is enforceable with regard to commercial transactions.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by drogerstn
Setting the policy may not be illegal if its not enforced, but its a bad example on my part. My point is that WDW does not have a legal leg to stand on if they tried to enforce the "nontransferability" of a PH when there is no commercial transaction involved.

During our 1st visit to WDW, we had to sign the PH ticket and there was a place to sign for each day we entered the park. The Forida statute that is now in place ensures that the tickets can be transferred in a non-commercial transaction and also makes it clear that the nontransferable clause is enforceable with regard to commercial transactions.

Got ya, thanks for clearing that up.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Sha-lyn,
QUICK, there is another thread that needs your pontification.

http://disboards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=401595

 

[adams66]

I think you lost him/her but let's start a new thread on the resort boards about the refillable mugs and maybe that will bring 'em back out!

It amazes me the passion that some of these "innocent" posts stir up in people.