**UPDATE** Our cat had the surgery, and it was rough for him

We have a young cat who had his first blockage a month ago. Very scary. We took him to the vet at 2am and he spent several days there. Not only were there stones but lots of "sand" as the vet called it.
Vet put him on S/D for two weeks. He told us it breaks down the stones. he wouldnt eat it (wet or dry) and lost alot of weight. We switched to C/D and a tube of Methigel. A black, icky , tar like substance you put in their mouth or on their fore paws to lick off. Not only did the cat not eat the c/d, but would run from me anytime I bent down to pet him cause he thought he was going to get some more of the nasty stuff which is supposed to be very palatable. lost more weight. Now I am mixing old food with the C/D and he is at least eating.
Have you tried the Methigel? certainly worth a try!!!
 
CheshireVal said:
I'm sorry to hear that your cat can't have surgery.

I've always heard that dry food is a big no-no when it comes to male cats with consistent blockage problems. Maybe you could try the raw food diet? I'm sure there are some posters here who do that-- maybe they can give you ideas.

I'm actually researching raw food diets for cats on the internet right now. It looks like a possibility at least. My sister raw feeds her dog, but the diet that she uses isn't an option for our cat. We tried our cat on Steve's raw diet a few years back...he ate it no problem, but he couldn't keep it down. I'd be willing to try raw food again, though.

At the very least, no more dry food or dry cat treats here...that can't be helping.

Amid Chaos, what is Methigel supposed to do? Is it an acidifier? We've tried lots of different acidifiers, but apparently the problem with those is that they can lead to the formation of the other kind of crystals and then to the formation of bladder stones. Yikes.

Interestingly, the articles that I am reading say that stress can contribute to the formation of crystals. Our cat is about the most high-stress animal I've ever encountered. He's actually on daily Prozac because he's so skittish/aggressive (he had the bladder problems long before the Prozac, so that didn't cause this issue). In his case, I'd believe that his high-strung disposition could be a contributing factor in this bladder problem. I really hope that we can figure out a real solution to this once and for all at this point. I'm still shocked and upset that he had such an enormous blockage. I felt sick when our vet told me how large it was :(
 
chrissyk said:
Did you end up having the surgery done, or were you just able to have him catheterized once and have that work? I wonder what we can expect post-surgery. I just don't ever want to see him sick and in pain like that again :(

No we didn't have surgery done. Come to think of it, I don't even think it was brought up. The cat was at least 14 at the time so I'm not sure how well he would have done with an operation.

He died of kidney failure about a year later. :(
 
I agree with trying the raw diet in this case. I'm not a big fan of it in some cases (in part because I'm too lazy :p ), but this is definitely one where I think he'd benefit.

I'll have to see if I can find it again, but there's one place out there with "aunt" in the name that will make, freeze, and deliver the diet to you so you don't have to do it yourself if you have the money but not the time. That would be an option as well.

My prayers go out to y'all.
 

A very good friend of mine is a veterinarian. I showed her your post and this is what she said.....
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I can't understand why the vet won't do surgery. The cat has crystals. A wider urethra will help the crystals pass without causing an obstruction. Sure, there are some risks of "no options THE NEXT TIME THERE IS TROUBLE" but it seems to me that without action THIS TIME the cat won't survive.

I'd encourage the owner to consult another veterinarian, an internist or perhaps a surgeon.

As long the the owner understands the risks, I'd do the surgery in a heartbeat.
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I really hope you'll get another opinion.
 
Oh goodnes....my head is spinning with this thread. I have been so lucky with my cats. They refuse wet food but have been eating only premium food (Iams) for a very long time (their whole life). Now I wonder if this is a good thing?!

Rats...I forgot to look where you are from....is there someone in your area who specializes in feline vet care? My vet in Germany did and now that I am back in the US the vet practice I go to has at least 2 vets who specialize in cats...plus there is the Univ of Georgia only an hour or so away.

Have you tried changing over your kitties diet gradually? Maybe the raw food (that sounds so gross) would be good.

You said that the vet emptied the little guys bladder....if this was done on a regular basis would it help? Is it something you can learn to do? I would do just about anything for my babies....

I would find a feline specialist even if it means a trip to a vet university....

Please keep us up to date....I will be thinking of you and your kitty!
 
I sent you a pm Chrissy...but will post here, too.

Check into other foods. Science Diet is NOT the only food on the market for such a problem. Purina makes one and I cannot think of the other one right now. I can look it up at work. They are all expensive..My dog is on C/D.
So, I know it's hard. It's really hard when your cat does not tolerate it well.

Was he really ill when he was on it the first time? Cause if he was the pain from being blocked could cause the vomiting also.
You may want to try C/D again since it has been 7 years. At my work if the pet does not eat it, we take it back and give the owner credit for the purchase. Hill's does that for customers. It's not just where I work.

Check into another vet, check into other food or try C/D again and ask the vet if it makes your cat sick can you return it for a refund.

Lisa
 
I feel bad for your poor kitty. He must be very uncomfortable. I hope you can find a vet that can help.

Katholyn
 
SugarBear said:
A very good friend of mine is a veterinarian. I showed her your post and this is what she said.....
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I can't understand why the vet won't do surgery. The cat has crystals. A wider urethra will help the crystals pass without causing an obstruction. Sure, there are some risks of "no options THE NEXT TIME THERE IS TROUBLE" but it seems to me that without action THIS TIME the cat won't survive.

I'd encourage the owner to consult another veterinarian, an internist or perhaps a surgeon.

As long the the owner understands the risks, I'd do the surgery in a heartbeat.
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I really hope you'll get another opinion.


This is our 4th opinion at this point. Only 1 vet recommended the surgery in the past 7 years, and she couldn't do it because she hadn't done one in 20 years :( I was the one pushing to have it done today, because I was just so freaked out that he got fully blocked so quickly. Our current vet's main objection was that the crystal blockages were pretty massive as far as crystal blockages go. If he got a stricture (sp?) in the future, there would be no options. He said that we had to get the crystals under control first, and then the surgery would either be an option or else wouldn't be necessary. At this point, he didn't think that our cat was a good candidate at all, though, just due to the massive amount of crystals. That jives with 2 of the other 4 opinions we've gotten in the past 7 years. He was able to unblock the cat manually (under sedation), so he didn't have to do an emergency surgery thankfully.

Sadly, I can't even tell you how many times that this has happened to our cat. This is only his 2nd full blockage, but he's had countless other partial blockages that we managed with subcutaneous fluids and vitamin C (to acidify the urine). It turns out that we were risking bladder stones by doing that, though. This is a nightmare for us, because we can't put him on a perscription diet due to the fact that he can't tolerate commercial petfoods at all. At this point, we're going to stop all dry food and dry treats, just feed wet food (which he will eat, thankfully) and that Methagel (sp?) and monitor his urine pH and crystals weekly. They want to try to get this under control within a month, and then we can look at the surgery option again. On a positive note, his kidneys are OK according to his bloodwork. I am very thankful for that.
 
lisajl said:
I sent you a pm Chrissy...but will post here, too.

Check into other foods. Science Diet is NOT the only food on the market for such a problem. Purina makes one and I cannot think of the other one right now. I can look it up at work. They are all expensive..My dog is on C/D.
So, I know it's hard. It's really hard when your cat does not tolerate it well.

Was he really ill when he was on it the first time? Cause if he was the pain from being blocked could cause the vomiting also.
You may want to try C/D again since it has been 7 years. At my work if the pet does not eat it, we take it back and give the owner credit for the purchase. Hill's does that for customers. It's not just where I work.

Check into another vet, check into other food or try C/D again and ask the vet if it makes your cat sick can you return it for a refund.

Lisa


It's not just Science Diet. He can't eat ANY commercial petfood. He is THAT sensitive to the ingredients. He wasn't terribly ill the first time that we tried Science Diet. He just can't tolerate the preservatives/additives/dyes. It is a tough situation...for most pets in this situation, the perscription diets are a Godsend.
 
Please look into Flint River Ranch Pet Food. They make both dog and cat food. It's made fresh, with human grade materials and delivered to your door. It's also low on ash and magnesium. A friend of mine used their dog food for years, with great results for her dog that had allergies.
 
SugarBear said:
Please look into Flint River Ranch Pet Food. They make both dog and cat food. It's made fresh, with human grade materials and delivered to your door. It's also low on ash and magnesium. A friend of mine used their dog food for years, with great results for her dog that had allergies.

Great! I'm going to look at this food right now. I need to switch him off of what he is eating (another natural diet) due to the magnesium content. Thanks so much :)

ETA - Darn it, they only make dry kibble :( Are there any similar brands that make a wet food? I'm going to look back into a couple of organic brands that we used to feed a few years ago. I need to check the ash content on them, though.
 
Did you see the article on feeding your cat on that site... maybe you don't have to rule out dry kibble. Here's the article...

Feeding Guide (Cat)
Cats are finicky eaters. Our tests show that besides flavor and aroma, texture and shape are very important in determining cat food palatability. Cats first smell their food; if it passes this test, shape then becomes important because it determines the way it feels and breaks apart in the cat's mouth. Fresh water should be available at all times as your cat will drink more water when fed dry food.

Young kittens may be started on Flint River Ranch by mixing with a little warm water. Feed food dry as soon as the kitten's teeth are strong enough to chew hard foods (8 to 10 weeks). Feed kittens about 3 times a day -after six months, twice a day.

Adult cats (1 year) can be fed once or twice a day. This depends upon what keeps your cat happy. Your cat should be looking for food when the next meal is due. Teach them to eat at meal times. The amount your cat eats in 15-20 minutes is about the amount they should be fed at the meal. Adjust the food as you notice an increase or decrease in the animal's weight.

CAT FOOD

The Flint River Ranch cat food is extruded with the addition of a slight "baking" process to give it the crusty texture. Cat food is higher in price because there is more pure meat protein in cat food. Taurine level is not less than 0.1%. pH is below 6.4. Magnesium is less than 0.08%. Ash is less than 4.5%. All important to help prevent Feline Urological Syndrome. We feel that providing distilled or pure water in the cat's water dish is a must if you have a concern for your kitty.

CAT TREATS

While they provide important vitamins and chelated minerals, the Cat and Kitten Treats are not formulated to be a complete and balanced meal. They include an organic compound of Iodine - Ethylane Diamine Dihydriodid. The thyroid gland stores and uses iodine for the pet's growth and development.

TAURINE

Taurine is an essential amino acid necessary for the proper development and ongoing health of the heart and eyes.

FELINE FUS

The cat's urinary system has the vital task of filtering blood to remove the waste products and regulate the balance of water and minerals within the body. Feline Urological Syndrome (FUS) is a condition caused by an accumulation of fine crystals within the bladder and urethra, based upon a substance called struvite, which is a crystalline compound of magnesium. Professionals don't know why some cats develop the problem and others do not, but it is most common in inactive, overweight, neutered cats and many feel that diet does playa major role in causing it. Others feel that unsanitary cat box litter can also cause the development of certain infections.

The inflammation of a cat's bladder lining and urethra or the formation of urinary mineral deposits is not unusual. At one time, it was thought that the ash in the cat's food was responsible for urinary tract trouble. The latest findings show that ash may not cause the problem; it may occur because some cat foods contain excessively high levels of magnesium and tend to encourage the production of an alkaline urine. Considering that both these points, low ash and Magnesium are important in the prevention of FUS, Flint River Ranch diet is formulated with both low ash and low Magnesium (less than 0.095%).

A history of feeding a poor quality food over a long period of time increases the chance of bladder problems. This even includes quality "homemade" foods that are not properly formulated. Cat food should not be left out in the dish - your cat should be looking for food when the next meal is due. Teach them to eat at mealtimes. They can be fed twice a day; the amount eaten in 15-20 minutes is about the amount they should be fed at each meal. Adjust the food as you notice an increase or decrease in the animal's weight. Cats, as carnivores, are meant to eat infrequently and fast in between. It is not unusual for cats to refuse their regular food for several days - looking for a change in taste and texture. If your cat has been eating a certain food for a period of time and all of a sudden stops eating this does not mean the food is bad. Take it away for a few days and you will find that they will switch back. Many cat owners know this and keep at a second type of food on hand. The quality of the water is as important as the food diet. Provide your cat with pure water at all times, without chlorine or fluorine.

Crystals are formed over a long period of time. Changing a cat's diet to Flint River Ranch or to any natural food, does not immediately cause a crystal problem. We have had customers feeding Flint River Ranch food for a couple of weeks and notice a crystal problem. They are concerned that the Flint River Ranch food caused this problem. This cannot be true; it takes months, even years for these crystals to form. Flint River Ranch products are formulated to help the animal body to holistically heal itself. What does happen - the diet starts a cleaning process of moving the waste products out of the cat's system. Vitamins, chelated minerals and nutrients are first digested in the stomach - then absorbed into the blood through the intestinal walls. For this reason, we encourage any diet change to a natural food be made over a period of time, to allow the cleaning process to happen slowly. Cat's love quality food; the pet owner tends to feed the nutritional food in quantities that are too large - causing the cleaning process, the elimination of waste, to sometimes happen too quickly.

Kittens that have grown up on Flint River Ranch diets - from pet owners that introduced the food properly and have fed Flint River Ranch diet for years - never seem to have a major crystal problem. We have a test group of 45 cats of various ages and breeds that have been eating Flint River Ranch Cat food for over 3 years without signs of any problems developing.

Veterinarians know that crystals, along with other health concerns, are often caused by diet. Changing food, along with antibiotics treatment is usually recommended. As improvement is noted, it is presumed the problem must have been the food. This is not always so. Perhaps in truth, the pet owner should continue with a natural diet as the pet's system is now adjusted to a natural food - the system is now mostly clean. We feel that using a food with chemical additives and low quality by-product ingredients will only create a new environment for the waste material and crystal problem to develop again over the years. Please read the ingredients label on pet foods. Be a concerned pet owner.
 
Our vet wants him on only wet food, and at this point I have to agree. He needs the extra water to "flush" out his bladder. That is the only way that we've managed the crystals in the past, albeit with subcutaneous fluids. This time around, we're going to keep his diet very waterlogged. Too bad they don't make this food in a canned variety, though! This brand does have an excellent reputation amongst natural brands.
 
Our cat is at the emergency vet right now :( He had another urinary obstruction today. They were able to catheterize him thank goodness, and they are certain that he DOES need the surgery. They have recommended a vet in the area who does many of these surgeries, and we're trying to get it done w/in 48 hours. Unfortunately, our cat has to stay at the emergency vet for that entire time, as we are expecting the hurricaine and he would not be safe here if he blocked up again. He has a catheter in right now, and he will until the surgery is performed. They are using saline to "flush" out the grit that has been obstructing him. Apparently there is a lot of grit :(

I am so angry at myself for not getting another opinion asap last week. I'm equally angry at myself for not insisting that this surgery be done years ago. Our cat has such a poor quality of life from blocking up all the time, and I feel terrible about that :guilty: Please keep your fingers crossed that this other vet can perform the surgery on Tuesday, and that it goes well. I feel so terrible that our cat is going to ride out the hurricaine away from us, but I know that this is the only way that we can keep him safe health-wise right now :guilty:
 
i'm sorry. My cat just recovered from almost complete blockage. He was very sick and the surgery was definitely a consideration. I'm obsessive about his food choices right now and hope this will help him avoid the surgery down the road. I had another cat with this and it became a repeat problem.
 
Don't feel guilty. You did the best you could with the knowledge you had at the time.
At least you are trying!
We have a cat in the clinic that is also blocked. He looks terrible. He will be fine, but we know he feels miserable. The IV bag just fills up with urine that looks like blood.

We had a client come in yesterday that let her cat have a urinary tract infection since SPRING!!
Ummm...hello people.....would YOU wait that long?

AAGGGG.,...some people.

So, please Chrissy, don't feel guilty. I hope the surgery is done as quickly as possible and hopefully he will have a long, healthier life!

Please keep us posted.

Lisa
 
lisajl said:
Don't feel guilty. You did the best you could with the knowledge you had at the time.
At least you are trying!
We have a cat in the clinic that is also blocked. He looks terrible. He will be fine, but we know he feels miserable. The IV bag just fills up with urine that looks like blood.

We had a client come in yesterday that let her cat have a urinary tract infection since SPRING!!
Ummm...hello people.....would YOU wait that long?

AAGGGG.,...some people.

So, please Chrissy, don't feel guilty. I hope the surgery is done as quickly as possible and hopefully he will have a long, healthier life!

Please keep us posted.

Lisa


Our cat also had blood-tinged urine this morning when they catheterized him :( I am so relieved that we even have a local emergency clinic, and I'm relieved that this happened today instead of tomorrow (when we may not have been able to get him to the vet because of the weather). I keep telling myself that he's safe at least, but it doesn't make me feel any better about the fact that he's away from me in a cage in a strange place right now :(

BTW, this latest "episode" started with a bad UTI a few weeks ago. That was his first UTI ever, even though he's had a lot of blockages. I should have known that a really bad blockage was coming. I so hope that this surgery will be a success, and I really hope that they can get him in to have the surgery on Tuesday.

Tigeroo, I am sorry that your cat is going through the same thing :( We do plan to work on getting his urine to the right pH through dietary measures. However, we decided that the surgery gives him a chance to live a normal life, hopefully free of potentially deadly blockages, while we try to get his pH right and get rid of the crystals. It's scary to consider the surgery, but at some point it becomes scarier to consider not having the surgery done. We agonized over putting our cat through the surgery for years.
 
:cool1:

We had a male cat that had the urinary blockages several times. We got a second opinion and he was operated on to create a new passage. He was about 3 years old at the time and lived to be 16. His urinary problems were solved and he died of cancer after a long and good like.

Best wishes, you are a caring person.
 

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