Unfair :(

[pilferk]

There's definitely some interesting points to ponder down that road (especially assuming off site/day guests will eventually have access to FP+).

For example, I know a bunch of people buy whatever ticket is on sale on UCT, and then bridge to whatever they're looking for on site (after using it to go through the turnstiles ONCE).

FP+ makes that process a bit more limiting...because if you buy a 5 day ticket, for example, with the eye toward bridging it to a 7 day ticket...you only get 5 days worth of FP+ prior to arrival (right? I think that's right...you only can make FP+ for the duration of the linked ticket you have?).

It also sort of forces you, if you want access to FP+, to buy your tickets pretty far in advance. Which means Disney gets to hold your money a bit longer (or maybe not longer...again, I don't know). It also allows them some logistical planning windows that they might not otherwise have had.

Oh, this is a rabbit hole that might be fun to do down....

 

[butterflygirl812]

Since Disney didn't officially announce the MM+ initiative until Jan 2013, I'm not sure why it's hard to believe that people could have arranged their vacations a year ago and not known what it was going to be like nwo.

I never said it was hard to believe that someone wouldn't know. My BIL is going on the same trip with us, and he didn't know anything about it until I told him last month. I spent time researching and digging for information when planning this trip, and found out last October about it. Maybe Disneys official announcement came in January, I don't know. What I do know is that I knew about it last year, and I'm pretty sure I didn't just make it up out of thin air.

 

[Angel Ariel]

I never said it was hard to believe that someone wouldn't know. My BIL is going on the same trip with us, and he didn't know anything about it until I told him last month. I spent time researching and digging for information when planning this trip, and found out last October about it. Maybe Disneys official announcement came in January, I don't know. What I do know is that I knew about it last year, and I'm pretty sure I didn't just make it up out of thin air.

Did I say you made it up out of thin air?

You implied that if people just researched, they would have known just like you did. I'm just saying that it wasn't common knowledge at this time last year, and someone not knowing about the testing isn't necessarily necayse they didn't put enough work into finding out.

There were a lot of rumors at this time last year, and yes there was testing going on that people were being selected for randomly when they got off of ME - but it wasn't widespread knowledge or testing parameters as it is now and there was no way to know at that time that this is what it would be like now.

 

[butterflygirl812]

Did I say you made it up out of thin air? You implied that if people just researched, they would have known just like you did. I'm just saying that it wasn't common knowledge at this time last year, and someone not knowing about the testing isn't necessarily necayse they didn't put enough work into finding out. There were a lot of rumors at this time last year, and yes there was testing going on that people were being selected for randomly when they got off of ME - but it wasn't widespread knowledge or testing parameters as it is now and there was no way to know at that time that this is what it would be like now.

I'm saying that It could have been common knowledge, as it was on their website.

 

[awatt]

Some food for thought:

Someone posted yesterday that by adding just one night onsiste to their offsite trip, they were able to get FP+ for all days of their offsite trip.

Is this unfair to those who paid for an all onsite trip? Is this double dipping in some fashion?

"Unfair" is so subjective, and depends on your perspective wrt a particular issue.

 

[jrsharp21]

You're not missing much with Soarin'. I'm still confused as to why that is such a popular ride in WDW!

A long time DL'er here as well. And I have the same thought as you. I don't know how many times I have walked by Soarin' at DCA when the wait is like 10-15 minutes and think that it is not even worth that wait right now.

 

[Granny square]

Did I say you made it up out of thin air? You implied that if people just researched, they would have known just like you did. I'm just saying that it wasn't common knowledge at this time last year, and someone not knowing about the testing isn't necessarily necayse they didn't put enough work into finding out. There were a lot of rumors at this time last year, and yes there was testing going on that people were being selected for randomly when they got off of ME - but it wasn't widespread knowledge or testing parameters as it is now and there was no way to know at that time that this is what it would be like now.

Lol, if we plan ed our lives around Disney rumors we'd be wandering aimlessly around animal kingdom looking for mythical creatures, fantasyland would have a crapload more girl things, Indiana jones would be empty and no one would be staying in the treehouse villas because of some environmental issue...

You said what I was thinking in a much kinder and gentler way

 

[MinnieLovesMickey12]

We're going to be there in 10 days and we are staying off site so no FP+ for us. But as long as they still have reg fastpass available I couldn't care less about FP+.

We usually go in the off season and usually have very low wait times and only pull FP for the major headliners that we want to ride twice like TSMM and Soarin.

This coming trip Monday is a holiday so I am sure it will probably be more crowded than anything we have ever experienced but we are going to the Universal parks our first 2 days, Sunday and Monday the 10th and 11th.

We are now Wyndham timeshare owners so we will be staying off site from now on.

If Disney starts charging money for off site ppl to use FP+ and they do not offer regular fastpasses for free then we just will only go to Disney when we know the crowds won't be bad or we will stop going to Disney parks and only do all the other parks. We have been to every park down there including BG in Tampa and we love all the parks.

We have APs to the Universal parks because we go to them more than Disney parks.

 

[Granny square]

Some food for thought: Someone posted yesterday that by adding just one night onsiste to their offsite trip, they were able to get FP+ for all days of their offsite trip. Is this unfair to those who paid for an all onsite trip? Is this double dipping in some fashion? "Unfair" is so subjective, and depends on your perspective wrt a particular issue.

I find people tend to care about "unfair" when it is all about them, lol.

 

[Metro West]

I half suspect that Universal Express Unlimited was rolled out to day guests as part of the ticket bundle so that those staying at their new "budget" offering would have access to it.

No...this option has been in existence for a number of years...they just didn't advertise it. It has nothing to do with the Cabana Bay resort opening in the spring.

 

[luv2sleep]

I'm the last one to defend FP+ simply based on the lack of information regarding the entire system, but the one thing I don't think people have any right to complain about is preferred treatment that on-site resort guests receive. Sorry, but that's life. Disney SHOULD offer better incentives to guests willing to shell out the money to stay on property.

Did not read all of the posts but agree with one of these first ones. Yes, shell out the big $$$ to stay onsite or buy into DVC. It is not unfair that people who pay more get the opportunity to have access to the FP+ system. I hope they always keep it as only available to onsite guests. I have no idea what the plans are in regards to that, however.

 

[ShayBells]

"Unfair" is so subjective

This is true. Unfair to me is when my best friend went through a bunch of personal problems and now financial problems. Unfair is watching her beautiful little girl love princesses. Unfair is watching as she begs her mom to take her to Disney to meet them. Unfair is my best friend wanting to do this for her child but can't because of unwanted circumstances.

Right now all this complaining about not having information or being able to get perks or a FP machine running out to early.

Everyone should look around and count their blessings because most people would go to a disney in your place with a smile on there faces with all your "problems." But they can't because life isn't fair.

Go have a good time or don't go ever again just know how lucky you are and how blessed you are.

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[Minniesgal]

Fair or unfair for the moment it is what it is. We can either moan about it or make the best of it. I my opinion life is way too short to get excited it. If I can't ride a ride fine then there are plenty of other things to do. There is way more to WDW than headliner rides.

 

[awatt]

exactly

 

[awatt]

I find people tend to care about "unfair" when it is all about them, lol.

exactly lol

 

[Granny square]

This is true. Unfair to me is when my best friend went through a bunch of personal problems and now financial problems. Unfair is watching her beautiful little girl love princesses. Unfair is watching as she begs her mom to take her to Disney to meet them. Unfair is my best friend wanting to do this for her child but can't because of unwanted circumstances. Right now all this complaining about not having information or being able to get perks or a FP machine running out to early. Everyone should look around and count their blessings because most people would go to a disney in your place with a smile on there faces with all your "problems." But they can't because life isn't fair. Go have a good time or don't go ever again just know how lucky you are and how blessed you are. Sent from my iPhone using DISBoards

Please. You never feel mad, sad or any other negative thought or feeling about trivial matters. Everyone knows that in the big picture vacations issues are small. But when some people spend a year or two or more saving and scrimping they are allowed to have hopes and are allowed to be bummed when something happens to affect them.

 

[BayouMickey]

Please. You never feel mad, sad or any other negative thought or feeling about trivial matters. Everyone knows that in the big picture vacations issues are small. But when some people spend a year or two or more saving and scrimping they are allowed to have hopes and are allowed to be bummed when something happens to affect them.

Oh sure people are allowed to, but why would you want to? What's done is done, go and make the best of it.

 

[Minniesgal]

Oh sure people are allowed to, but why would you want to? What's done is done, go and make the best of it.

And being bummed only takes the shine out of that Disney vacation that you have scrimped and saved for. Looking on the bright side saves some of the magic.

 

[Granny square]

Oh sure people are allowed to, but why would you want to? What's done is done, go and make the best of it.

Lol, sometimes it is a piece of the process of change.

I adore my children. When I found out my fourth was another boy I cried for about 10 minutes over the girl I'd never have. Then we went to lunch and named him.

When I found out about the fp+ Stuff I panicked and was bummed. Then I griped to my husband for a wee bit. Talked to my mom and sister. Remembered why we were taking the trip which has nothing to do with rides...and then moved on.

I would gather that people are at different stages in the process and a vent isn't hurting anything.

I'm just tired of the whole "you are an ungrateful wretch if you don't just put a smile on your face and move on because others in the world have it worse" That is obvious. Name any problem and someone somewhere has it worse. My moms cancer was only colon. She should have just sucked it up because others had worse cancers.

 

[rebbyparker]

Agreed. I don't have a problem with people being concerned or anxious over their upcoming trips. They have a right to express those concerns on a Disney forum (without snarky or rude comments being made). If other people would rather not read the posts, then just skip them. I have no desire to read about Halloween because I'm going for Christmas so I just skip right over those. Easy, peasy.