Unfair :(

[Angel Ariel]

Now, when it comes to the debate about whether or not FP+ is fair to offsite guests, I have to side with many that it should be a perk to onsite guests, sorry. Whether or not that changes, remains to be seen but I wouldn't get upset if I stayed offsite and didn't get the perk either.

As I posted in post #311, FP+ is NOT an onsite perk. Disney has officially stated that it will be included with theme park admission for everyone.

Obviously that's not the case during the *testing* phase right now, but that is just for the *test*. When this is fully rolled out, ALL guests will have access to the system - whether onsite guests like it or not.

 

[GrimGrinningGhost25]

Wow, I just can't believe some people! Unfair?!?! Really?!?! That is the most outlandish thing I have heard.

Sorry that staying on property gets you the additional perk of testing MB, but honestly it's about time resort guests get something that offsite guests don't. And for the record I do not think EMH is a perk that is worth it to me. I stay on property because that's where I like to stay, not because of EMH or because of MBs. I hope that Disney will change its policy and make it AP and resort guests only! But if they don't (which they probably won't) should I cry because someone else staying off property gets exactly what I get? It's one of those things I just got to get over if I want to continue going to Disney.

I leave on Friday and I've been keeping a positive an upbeat attitude about these changes because no matter what it WILL NOT ruin my vacation. DH and I are looking forward to time together and relaxing and getting away from work. I think some people forget that part of a vacation is togetherness and time spent with family. A silly thing like MB and FP+ isn't going to make or break my trip.

The part that gets me is "unfair". Unfair is people that have unbelievable circumstances that they have to face in life. Unfair is severe illness of a loved one. Unfair is people who take advantage of a program designed to assist people with special needs.

I will admit I am blessed and able to go to Disney often. But there are people who spend their entire lives saving for just one trip to the world. Do you think they are boohoo-ing over something so silly? No, probably not. They are probably the ones that are remembering that Disney is magic and fun and a wonderful experience. I am sure these people are having the time of their lives despite crowns and FP return times and a million other things people are unhappy about.

Well my plan starting Friday is to tour the World like it's my first and last time. Enjoy my time with DH, take in the sights, smell the roses, relax and do things that don't require a wait of a FP (resort hop, people watch, the shows and entertainment in the parks).

Okay, my rant is over.

 

[Angel Ariel]

We are going Jan 5 - 10. Military tickets to be purchased for most in the group at Shades of Green. Is there any process or way for off site guests to participate in the FP+ program once they arrive in the parks, with hard ticket in hand? Any kiosks etc.? I am seeing many, many threads on this and I understand that many FP- are simply gone for the day very early. What about FP+? Onsite access?

FP+ is only available to resort guests right now, and SoG is not considered an onsite resort for this purpose as of yet.

The regular FP machines should still be in place in January, but as you noted FPs for the most popular rides are running out early. If you want them, you'll have to be at RD.

 

[Kelleigh710]

 

[BayouMickey]

FP+ is only available to resort guests right now, and SoG is not considered an onsite resort for this purpose as of yet.

The regular FP machines should still be in place in January, but as you noted FPs for the most popular rides are running out early. If you want them, you'll have to be at RD.

Does this strike a cord??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg_8knBHEyw

 

[Angel Ariel]

but honestly it's about time resort guests get something that offsite guests don't. And for the record I do not think EMH is a perk that is worth it to me.

EMH may not be "worth it to you," but it IS a perk that onsite guests get that offsite doesn't. Onsite guests also get access to the dining plan, free parking at the parks, and free airport transportation. Those may not be important to *you* but they *are* perks that onsite guests already get that offsite guests don't.

Personally, I am glad WDW has already said FP+ will be included in park admission for everyone. We all pay the same theme park admission for the regular park hours, regardless of what hotel you are staying at. With that equal cost of admission should be equal access to the attractions that you are paying for with that admission.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Does this strike a cord??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg_8knBHEyw

 

[Postal68]

The part that gets me is "unfair". Unfair is people that have unbelievable circumstances that they have to face in life. Unfair is severe illness of a loved one. Unfair is people who take advantage of a program designed to assist people with special needs.

Oh Christ, give me a break. I think most people know that it's unfair that my mother and father died of cancer in the last 4 years both around the age of 60. I think most people know it's not fair that priests molest little kids. I think most people know that some lunatic going in a school and shooting up a school isn't fair, but that is all a relative life experience.

This forum discusses problem in respect to Disney and this happens to be one.
People spend thousands of dollars on a vacation, and many people struggle to save that money to give their children the Disney Experience, something EVERY child should get. But no, it's not fair that a person staying offsite that is paying the same exact admission price as an on site guest is not getting the option of having the same value for that same price.

 

[ShayBells]

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[BayouMickey]

lol see 2 post up

 

[mommyrosa2]

As I posted in post #311, FP+ is NOT an onsite perk. Disney has officially stated that it will be included with theme park admission for everyone.

Obviously that's not the case during the *testing* phase right now, but that is just for the *test*. When this is fully rolled out, ALL guests will have access to the system - whether onsite guests like it or not.

I get that but was merely trying to say that IF it did become an onsite guest perk only, I wouldn't be upset over it.....

 

[pooch]

maybe then they should have rooms other than crap motel quality rooms with Disney decor for $100 a night. I CAN'T stay in a crap Disney motel room because I have 2 teens, a boy and a girl that aren't sharing a bed. And almost every Disney room gives you 2 beds unless of course you would like to pay $500 a night for a slightly less crap room that is bigger. And no, I'm not paying $100 for a room in those garbage value resorts so why would I get TWO of them


EVERYTHING about staying on Disney's property stinks, from room size, to transportation to expense to eat.

then I guess you shouldn't stay on property. My family regularly traveled and stayed in 2 bed hotel rooms while our kids, a boy and a girl, were growing up. When they became too old to sleep in the same bed, I slept with my daughter and my husband slept with my son. not a big deal that I could see. Disney rooms are clean and comfortable - not sure what else you want/need.

 

[Angel Ariel]

I get that but was merely trying to say that IF it did become an onsite guest perk only, I wouldn't be upset over it.....

If Disney ever decides to go that route, I would hope that they would decrease the cost of admission for those offsite accordingly. Staying at a Disney hotel doesn't grant anyone access to the parks/rides. You still have to have valid theme park admission to enter the park. Since we all pay equally for admission, all should have equal attraction access w/i the park.

 

[disneyworld1977]

Oh Christ, give me a break. I think most people know that it's unfair that my mother and father died of cancer in the last 4 years both around the age of 60. I think most people know it's not fair that priests molest little kids. I think most people know that some lunatic going in a school and shooting up a school isn't fair, but that is all a relative life experience.

This forum discusses problem in respect to Disney and this happens to be one.
People spend thousands of dollars on a vacation, and many people struggle to save that money to give their children the Disney Experience, something EVERY child should get. But no, it's not fair that a person staying offsite that is paying the same exact admission price as an on site guest is not getting the option of having the same value for that same price.

I kind of disagree, some may stay onsite AND pay more for the hotel room just to get that "perk", so they are paying extra for that "perk" by staying onsite where someone offsite may be paying less for their hotel. That is how I view it off the top of my head, not saying I am right or wrong but that is how I see it. Anyone else? I see both sides of it to an extent.

 

[ShayBells]

If Disney ever decides to go that route, I would hope that they would decrease the cost of admission for those offsite accordingly. Staying at a Disney hotel doesn't grant anyone access to the parks/rides. You still have to have valid theme park admission to enter the park. Since we all pay equally for admission, all should have equal attraction access w/i the park.

Why would Disney do that? Where's the logic? They are a business and make money from on site guests so they wouldn't lower off site guest tickets. What would that do for them???

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[bdklein]

If Disney ever decides to go that route, I would hope that they would decrease the cost of admission for those offsite accordingly. Staying at a Disney hotel doesn't grant anyone access to the parks/rides. You still have to have valid theme park admission to enter the park. Since we all pay equally for admission, all should have equal attraction access w/i the park.

So how do you feel about Extra Magic Hours only for onsite guests?

 

[ShayBells]

I kind of disagree, some may stay onsite AND pay more for the hotel room just to get that "perk", so they are paying for it where someone offsite may be paying less for theirs. That is how I view it off the top of my head, not saying I am right or wrong but that is how I see it. Anyone else? I see both sides of it to an extent.

If you gave this dude everything he wanted he'd find something to wrongly complain about.

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[BayouMickey]

If you gave this dude everything he wanted he'd find something to wrongly complain about.

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pssst... purple MB's...

 

[mommyrosa2]

If Disney ever decides to go that route, I would hope that they would decrease the cost of admission for those offsite accordingly. Staying at a Disney hotel doesn't grant anyone access to the parks/rides. You still have to have valid theme park admission to enter the park. Since we all pay equally for admission, all should have equal attraction access w/i the park.

While I hear what you're saying, how would it be any different than onsite resort guests who are entitled to EMH's and therefore a "jumpstart" to rides and paper fastpasses? Right now, that is a perk for onsite guests who are paying the same ticket price as an offsite guest who doesn't get that perk but are paying more for a room to get that perk

 

[GrimGrinningGhost25]

EMH may not be "worth it to you," but it IS a perk that onsite guests get that offsite doesn't. Onsite guests also get access to the dining plan, free parking at the parks, and free airport transportation. Those may not be important to *you* but they *are* perks that onsite guests already get that offsite guests don't. Personally, I am glad WDW has already said FP+ will be included in park admission for everyone. We all pay the same theme park admission for the regular park hours, regardless of what hotel you are staying at. With that equal cost of admission should be equal access to the attractions that you are paying for with that admission.

Yes those are all perks and you are right they are for resort guests only. While we pay the same price for tickets, we don't all pay the same price for a hotel, we don't all choose to stay with Disney and I feel that resorts guests should get those for staying on property. You want those perks, stay at a Disney resort. Pretty simple.

EMH hardly seem like that big of a perk to convince me to stay at a resort. Like I said, that's where I like to stay.

As for transportation, parking,DP... In my mind those fall into "resort category". I don't expect Disney to run all over Orlando dropping off everyone at their hotel. DP is part of a package that includes a stay, and parking is free but I feel that most people staying there will be using Disney transportation. Most people that drive to a park ARE staying off property.

My point is that to cry unfair is silly. Is it unfair enough to keep you from going? Are you so unhappy with everything that you will never go back? People have a sense of entitlement and complaining just makes things worse. You can complain and go and be miserable or you can get over it and enjoy your time at Disney.