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Really??? :confused3

Person just tells you how lucky they are to work somewhere and you have the audacity to slam it ?

Nice. :rolleyes2

You wouldn't want to share your opinions about anything else would you? How about the decline of the USPS? :smokin:

Oh God, don't get me started. All they do is talk about losing money, but they continually cut customer service and raise postage every 6 months to tick off their customers.
 
Well the people on on site are probably paying more than off site people so why not give them they perks and say "here is extra magic for staying with us?"

Disney has specifically stated that FP+ is *not* and onsite perk. It will be included, free, with all theme park admission.

What many offsiters are frustrated about is the seemingly unending testing that is only open to Disney resort guests. I stayed at SOG in early October. Disney can't decide whether SoG is considered an onsite or offsite resort. We have access to EMH, but not the dining plan/free parking.

SoG is cheaper than all Disney resorts, and you get more space in the rooms than at any Disney resort. It's on par with Deluxe resorts in terms of location and amenities, but it's cheaper than a value resort.
 

That is unfortunate to say the least, but would you rather them not test at all and roll it out with major flaws that could potentially affect future trips?

Actually I wish they'd never started FP+. The old fast pass system worked fine for us. It was fair to everyone. Everyone had the same opportunity to get to rope drop and get the fast passes they needed. At rope drop stand by lines were not that long and there were plenty of FPs available. Granted if you were one who wanted to sleep in, they might be gone later, but you snooze, you lose. It was your choice and everyone had the same opportunity. Now we don't and as an AP who chooses to stay offsite, I am irritated. They took the $1800.00+ we paid for APs last spring and instituted a change that effects our trips in a negative way.
 
Actually I wish they'd never started FP+. The old fast pass system worked fine for us. It was fair to everyone. Everyone had the same opportunity to get to rope drop and get the fast passes they needed. At rope drop stand by lines were not that long and there were plenty of FPs available. Granted if you were one who wanted to sleep in, they might be gone later, but you snooze, you lose. It was your choice and everyone had the same opportunity.

Once this is officially rolled out wouldn't be the same thing? you didn't log in and make your selections in time, you snooze you lose..
 
The problem is, this was going to affect SOMEONE'S vacation at some point or another. There's just no two ways about it. If they would have done a full roll out, without testing, there would have been glitches then too, I'm sure.
 
Sorry, but that makes absolutely no sense. I can't be bothered to go searching that thread, but if they feel that way, then they have no idea what they're talking about.

Wait a sec...so because there are other AP holders who don't feel the same way you do, they have no idea what they're talking about? I'm pretty sure I've read posts from quite a few AP holders who have been in the parks during testing who have stated they felt like second class citizens w/o access to FP+. So they're AP holders, and they've experienced WDW currently...but they don't know what they're talking about? That's not condescending at all
 
Is it really "double dipping"? FP+ limits you to one park-3 fast passes. In the past we've been able to use up to 6 or 7 fast passes in one day and at multiple parks and for the same rides!
Yes I did take advantage of what you are calling double dipping.
The FP+ is in its testing phase. So there will be some tweaking I'm sure.
Just like anything it has its pros and cons.

Honestly I am not a big fan of FP+ because I think it has turned Fast Pass into SLOW Pass! But that's another thread! :)
 
Current resort guests are able to make Fastpass+ reservations AND pull regular fastpasses at the parks?

If so then no wonder all the fastpasses are gone so early! How unfair to the rest of us!!!!

So....people should test a system with no compensation and ONLY be allowed 3 FPs at all? While offsite people can get as many FPs as they can get?


Don't go to Universal then - guests staying onsite with them get instant "Front of the Line Access (better than FastPass) all day!

It is better than FP, but it's not front of the line. A line might be shorter, but there is usually a line of some sort.


Hopefully they cut the double dipping soon. Then those same people will be stuck with only three fp's and a glitchy system;)

Sounds like a perfect compensation to be a tester. Oh wait, it doesn't. When DH used to test things for Microsoft, he got free, valuable to him, pieces of software as compensation, or a fairly decent amount of money to go and play with computers for a couple hours.




$35???? I'm going to Orlando in April. The cost for a Universal Express pass is currently $89!!!! PER DAY, PER PERSON!

It's season-based. April is a busy time. Other times are not.


My thoughts exactly. Unless you're park hopping all over the place and going back and forth to your hotel a couple of times per day, you're not spending 2-3 hours on a bus.

You might not have, but others might. And the Disney transportation site itself tells you to give yourself something like 1.5 hours to get anywhere.


If it were any less, they'd have a tough time getting the money they do for the on site hotels.

I would invite you to check out the Universal forum, where you can find info on how you can quite often get the hotel bill a bit lower. I've seen prices in the 150 range for RPR, which is a lovely resort (though I personally prefer Portofino). The resorts there are fabulous, you can use the perks of all three of the deluxe resorts if staying at one (this privilege isn't expected to be offered to the future Cabana Bay though), and while they can be high at first, there are many ways to keep on checking and many find the prices will go down.


I felt privileged enough just having the magic band and walking right onto the 'E ticket' rides with my early reservation. There is no way I would have walked past the folks in line and pulled an additional pass, just because I 'could'. I feel sorry for the folks who haven't been able to have this advantage. Sure, we spent money to stay onsite, albeit at a discount plus my cheaptickets coupon and my ebates rebates. (:thumbsup2) My additional ticket pull meant one person who needed a fastpass wouldn't get one.

Meanwhile, the people holding paper FPs might well have more than one FP for that ride later in the day. What an odd reason to not do what they say we're allowed to do. (except for the rogue CMs who didn't pay attention in training)




If anyone should be complaining about things being "unfair", it's people like me who have paid to stay at a Disney Resort during the test period but haven't been chosen to participate in FP+. How is that fair?

What resort is that? I would have sworn that ALL resorts are now part of testing?

I think I've told you this before, but I never got the invite at all for testing. And yet I got the MB, did the FP+ reservations, used them, etc. If you're waiting for an invite (and I think you're still too far out for any of it to be showing up in your MDE), don't. If the MDE page changes and lets you customize things, DO IT!



I feel left out, but like I said, I'd rather deal with regular FP anyways. At least I can get more than 3 per day.

That IS true, but I'm not sure it will be your situation.






Yeah unfortunately. We figured we'll suck it up, get to Universal when the open, and try and hit the big stuff first. If we see the crowds are unmanageable, we'll consider buying the express pass at that time.

In a couple months the AP rates should show up. I'm not sure IF your time will get an AP rate, but check anyway (use APH on the loewshotels.com site). Check to see how many rooms one AP can book if the rate pops up. It's entirely possible it will never pop up given that you are going at a high-use time, but you never know.


Universal Express Unlimited was, for the LONGEST time (years and years), reserved for Hotel guests. I've looked, before...as recently as our trip in December 2012. I'm not sure when it changed, though..as it obviously has.

I really hate to do this to you, but here is an article last edited in September 2010 that states the unlimited version was available for purchase at the gates back then.


I am staying on site and I don't get FP+ access. How sad is that? The system is not fair.

WHERE are you staying? WHY don't you get access to it?


FP+ will be good for me. No extra walking to get a FP.

That's what finally brought me over to the "hey, maybe it won't be so bad" side. :)


Maybe Disney should let money do the talking and scrap FP all together. It's nice that they want FP to be free but free only takes you so far when it's offered to everyone.

Kind of like how when everyone gets a trophy, getting one is no big deal anymore. Either limit it to onsite, or charge for it.

Hmm. I got the same medal every other person got for running the TOT 10 miler, but it means a tremendous amount to me. That line of reasoning was cute in The Incredibles, but for many people who have done something brave or difficult (piano recital, run a race, tried their best in a spelling bee, etc), those medals DO mean a lot.


Again. Many of us love Disney transportation. I have never waited more than 10 minutes for a bus/boat/monorail ever.

Can I travel with you? We most definitely have.



I'm an Annual Passholder. I stay on site. I have no idea what you're talking about.

Once I was able to connect my AP to MDE it was all golden. I am across the country now and, from recent experience in playing with the system (sometimes having to try a couple times b/c of silly and meaningless error messages), I know I could make a FP+ reservation for a park tomorrow if I felt like it. So if I were in town, offsite, I could do that, too. Awesome!

But that's because I did have that onsite reservation....for those who never stay onsite, yep, the testing period is going to be hard...


What you and some others fail to seep through your mind that this is only during testing.. I pointed you to a link where Disney THEMSELVES stated that FP+ will be available to anyone with any "VALID PARK ADMISSION".

I look forward to their definition of "FastPass+ eligible Guests". It doesn't really make me nervous (as I firmly believe FP+ will be available to all once it rolls out completely), but that's a phrase that I knew would get to others. :)
 
Its the word "eligible" that would worry me as an offsiter.

It has been released in other places that FP+ will be for ALL guests with theme park admission.

Hi, Todd. Guests staying at Walt Disney World Resort hotels, and Annual Passholders will receive a band, as well as those guests who purchase a photography package. Guests who stay at non-Disney hotels will receive a ticket with features of touch to enter the park, touch to redeem FastPass+ and touch to pay. These guests can participate in My Disney Experience and purchase a MagicBand if they wish.

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UPDATE – 2 p.m. Jan. 7, 2013 -Disney has released a few more details:
• Disney FastPass+ service is included with theme park admission.
• The MagicBand is initially available to select Walt Disney World Resort hotel guests and guests who purchase other specific products.
• Other guests will be able to use their standard ticket to access the benefits of MyMagic+, such as making FastPass+ selections on the My Disney Experience website and app.

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The problem is, this was going to affect SOMEONE'S vacation at some point or another. There's just no two ways about it. If they would have done a full roll out, without testing, there would have been glitches then too, I'm sure.

They do have to test it at some point and it does suck some have spent a lot of money and are getting disappointment. I don't know what Disney can do, but something I would think. Maybe they hand out FP(3 paper good for any ride per family per day) to everyone who doesn't have MB. They could turn off the FP machines for people with MB to give those without it the opportunity to get some. It will suck for both groups, but at least it is a level playing field for all guests. They can't offer refunds b/c people will lose out on airline or other fees so that's out. I have sympathy for those booked during this testing phase and don't have MB. I wouldn't want to go right now. I am sure there is something WDW can do though, they just don't care. They are getting their money regardless.
 
When we went in August, our resort wasn't testing the MB and therefore couldn't partake in FP+, was I upset? No, honestly couldn't have cared less. We toured like we always do and took advantage of EMH both in the a.m. and p.m. and got fastpasses for all the rides we wanted with no issues and walked onto many with minimal wait (were the parks empty? Oh no they were not). DH & I just got back on Thursday from a 5 day trip and this time we had MB's and did FP+. We had no issues with linking our A/P's to our bands and everything went smooth. We didn't pull any paper fast passes and didn't feel the need to BUT could have done so as there were still plenty of paper passes to pull. What we did find was that "most" wait times posted in the standby lines were overly exaggerated with the exception of Soarin' which, IMHO, has always been a mess. Twice we got onto TSM within 30 min when both times the wait time listed was 120 min. Now, when it comes to the debate about whether or not FP+ is fair to offsite guests, I have to side with many that it should be a perk to onsite guests, sorry. Whether or not that changes, remains to be seen but I wouldn't get upset if I stayed offsite and didn't get the perk either. Since this whole test began, it's been said that testing was for "resort guests" only so not sure why people are getting so upset as we would have had no issues pulling paper passes for most of the headliners (again, with the exception of Soarin') and we weren't at the parks at rope drop either. And finally, as far as staying onsite vs. offsite, it is a personal choice and to say that staying onsite isn't worth it anymore, well, that would all depend on who you ask. For us, we've done both and I can tell you that I would never stay offsite again for many reasons and the busses aren't one of them as we are not bus people and rent a car always AND I can honestly say we don't spend a fortune staying onsite either.
 
We are going Jan 5 - 10. Military tickets to be purchased for most in the group at Shades of Green. Is there any process or way for off site guests to participate in the FP+ program once they arrive in the parks, with hard ticket in hand? Any kiosks etc.? I am seeing many, many threads on this and I understand that many FP- are simply gone for the day very early. What about FP+? Onsite access?
 
I don't find this Unfair at all, but rather a perk of staying on site.
I pay the extra money and I am grateful for the perk.
Nobody said life was always fair.
It is unfair for you to be able to double-dip,and someone off-site not to be able to get FP because they have been "sucked-up"by onsite guests...very selfish attitude.:sad2: By the way,we stay onsite.....
 
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