TSMM - Rant

[cypressmom]

...DH stood right there, waiting, did NOT advance in line, just kept letting people in front of him. (which is the way to do it, in our opinion)....

Definitely the right way to do it!

So sorry about your son.

A bit off topic, but I habe to share one more story about something that left me in disbelief last week. We were boarding the train in New Orleans Square and our line slowed down. Imagine my horror, when I see a mom and her 3 or 4 year old son, standing against the rail, with his pants dropped, peeing into the bushes!!!!!!! My son looked all confused and said, "Hey - I want to try that!" Ummm... I don't think so!!!

 

[Mcky36]

A bit off topic, but I habe to share one more story about something that left me in disbelief last week. We were boarding the train in New Orleans Square and our line slowed down. Imagine my horror, when I see a mom and her 3 or 4 year old son, standing against the rail, with his pants dropped, peeing into the bushes!!!!!!! My son looked all confused and said, "Hey - I want to try that!" Ummm... I don't think so!!!

 

[GrandBob]

It's a good way to put it. Now if only my husband, who IS Asian, would stop referring to himself as Oriental! But eh, as he says, he gets to call himself whatever he wants. Oh well. His mom says "oriental" too, when referring to her fellow Koreans.

Yes, I think it's common. My Osaka born wife refers to herself as an "ornamental" Whatever - she's the most beautiful woman in the world to me.

-Bob

 

[mommy2allyandaveri]

Everyone should get in line at once....no cuts for no reason. I am sorry before getting in what appears to be a LONG line take the kids to the bathroom. Simple as that. We have been to Disneyland and Disney World over 10 times since our kids were 3 and 5. NEVER once did we cut in line or leave line because of the potty issue. Kids need to learn that cutting is wrong and not fair. it is not fair for one child to learn to go potty before mom and dad wait in line with them while another can have mom and dad hold place in line, the other parent take potty and in some cases get them a treat and then join them in line. Thankfully last month we didn't experience cutting in line but I do say something when people cut. It is not fair for any reason. Yes, I can understand an extreme potty emergency....but don't make it a habit. Ask children before getting in a long line if they need to go...if they haven't gone in a long time make them try especially if they have been drinking lots.

Sorry that is my view on this....kids need to learn and I agree the Disneyland line is terrible for cutting. We got in line right when ride opened and saw LOTS and LOTS of cutting because of the mad rush of people getting in line and then party not keeping up and "catching up halfway thru line".

Guess my rant would be people not keeping up in line...leaving huge space cause they are turned around talking. Kids walking on rails, licking them, sitting on them, etc.

Sorry, this is TOTALLY unrealistic and will never happen. I have a 3 year old. I can ask her if she has to go to the bathroom and she says no, 10 minutes later she is dancing around and needs to go. You are at Disneyland with thousands of kids, not all of them go to the bathroom on your schedule.

I see your point about a group cutting. When I need to leave the line and come back or just show up late to a line, I always apologize on the way in stating my kid had to go to the bathroom.

 

[SlpgBty]

I really don't mind letting a mom or dad with a little one re-join their family. A couple years ago, we had had it with kids joining their friends in line and finally, 5 of them were "excusing" their way through the line and when they got to us (me & my 16 year old, and my friend, and her 15 and 9 year old), we said, "No, you have to wait just like the rest of us." The people behind us said the same thing, and so on, and soon they were at the end of the line! Just because you excuse yourself, doesn't mean you can plow right through all the people in front of you. You are not obligated to let people cut in front of you.

 

[Mugglemama]

We have 4 kids, and if somebody has a bathroom emergency, one of us takes them to the restroom and then just doesn't get to ride. We don't meet back up with them in line. But that's just us. And, we got sick of having to do that (because, like everyone is saying, even when you take your little ones to the bathroom right before the line, you can't always guarantee that they won't have to go before your turn on the ride), so we just started going only during off-season and when we couldn't do that, we used RideMax. We just don't get into long lines anymore, it's not worth it. One time, when my 18 year old was 4, I kid you not, we waited in POTC line for 25 minutes, got out to take her to the bathroom. Got back at the END of the line, waited again...about 30 minutes..she had to go again! UGH! Back out of line we went. Back to the end of the line we went when we got back. 3rd time was a charm, fortunately!

We haven't stood in a line longer than 30 minutes in probably a decade (and that's long for us - we almost never get into lines that are going to be longer than 20 minutes). My youngest is now 5, so we're moving into the "don't-have-to-worry-about-potty-emergencies" phase of our parenting lives (Thank God!).

As far as TSMM goes, I'm glad it's not one of my favorite rides. I don't even know if we're going to bother with it on our trip this time. If somebody was blatantly cutting in line, I'd probably say something to them. Like those teenage boys that were in Target a few weeks ago, throwing bouncy balls at the flourescent lighting fixtures on the walls and saying stupid things and knocking things off shelves....I said to the one that threw something particularly close to me, "Hey, idiot, what the he** is wrong with you?!!" He was like, "Wha?" I go, "Wha? Aren't you used to people calling you an idiot when you behave like one?" They walked off quickly and his friend was all like, "Dude, that lady called you an idiot"....HAHAHAHAHA!!!

 

[Funball]

"Things" are Oriental, people are Asians.

This is how I feel about people holding spots for parades. It is the same thing. It is rude and not fair to people who either have waited in the line, or waited on a spot for a parade.

WELL SORRY!! i didn't know how to put it with out offending anyone

 

[carebee21]

This is just one of those you're never going to be able to please everyone type of things.

The line for TSMM is wheelchair and electric scooter accessible. If i recall correctly the line has to have those large chains so individuals in wheelchairs and electic scooters can exit easily, if needed. Some people complain about people in wheelchairs getting to cut the line or abusing wheelchairs to cut, or having excessive groups of people, so Disney did something different and made the line accessible and now people are complaining about the chains in the line. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it doesn't suck to have a large group cut in front of you, but I just don't see Disney putting a CM there to monitor the chains or the people who use them. So I guess it's like a which would you rather, people abusing wheelchairs to cut in line, or people blatantly cutting in line???

 

[PoohNFriends]

I really don't mind letting a mom or dad with a little one re-join their family. A couple years ago, we had had it with kids joining their friends in line and finally, 5 of them were "excusing" their way through the line and when they got to us (me & my 16 year old, and my friend, and her 15 and 9 year old), we said, "No, you have to wait just like the rest of us." The people behind us said the same thing, and so on, and soon they were at the end of the line! Just because you excuse yourself, doesn't mean you can plow right through all the people in front of you. You are not obligated to let people cut in front of you.

More guests need to do this with the larger groups that try to push their way thru the line. I don't mind a parent with a couple of kids meeting the rest of the group or even 1 adult meeting another adult, but anything beyond that is annoying and rude.

 

[Disney Dreams]

...I don't mind a parent with a couple of kids meeting the rest of the group or even 1 adult meeting another adult, but anything beyond that is annoying and rude.

But this is the key on this issue.

1 adult, 1 kid = OK
1 adult, 2 kids = OK
1 adult, 15 kids = not OK?

Where's the line?

If 1 adult, 1 kid = OK, are 2 adults OK? It's still 2 people.
And if so, 3 adults?

What if 1 of those adults (unbeknown to you) has special needs? Then is it okay?

- Dreams

 

[Capt Silly]

But this is the key on this issue.

1 adult, 1 kid = OK
1 adult, 2 kids = OK
1 adult, 15 kids = not OK?

Where's the line?

If 1 adult, 1 kid = OK, are 2 adults OK? It's still 2 people.
And if so, 3 adults?

What if 1 of those adults (unbeknown to you) has special needs? Then is it okay?

- Dreams

There is no "line." It all depends of the circumstance as we perceive it. If it is something we would consider doing, then it is alright for others to do it too. If it is something we would not, then we consider it wrong for others to do.

As for someone with special needs, I don't think anyone would mind if the people gave a brief explanation as they approached each group. Communication is a wonderful tool. But there other ways to handle many special needs, including a GAC for many situations.

As for being rude in line, it is not just for rides. At the refreshment center on Main Street the person in front of my wife used his cell phone to call his friends when he was next in line. Then proceeded to stall at the counter, asking about the make-up of the hot dogs, ordering things then changing his mind, asking about the various treats. Then when his friends showed up, he continued to stall until they figured out what they wanted. He was at the window for close to 15 minutes, while everyone behind him waited.

 

[Disney Dreams]

There is no "line." It all depends of the circumstance as we perceive it. If it is something we would consider doing, then it is alright for others to do it too. If it is something we would not, then we consider it wrong for others to do.

Exactly my point.

As for someone with special needs, I don't think anyone would mind if the people gave a brief explanation as they approached each group. Communication is a wonderful tool. But there other ways to handle many special needs, including a GAC for many situations.

I am not referring to special needs that apply to GAC cards. Let's say someone has to take some medication and needs to get out of line to get water. Should they have to explain that to everyone in line to get their spot back? I don't think so. What if someone has bladder control issues, but is older than 10. Should they have to tell everyone in line their special need to exit the line? No, not in my opinion. We never know the situations of those around us. Maybe the person/people that appears to be acting in a rude fashion has a truly legitimate reason for their actions - unless no one, ever should step out of line and be allowed back in ever.

- Dreams

 

[quantumottle]

Unfortunately, this was rampant at DL & DCA when we were there last week. One thing I didn't like about DL. It doesn't happen very often at WDW.

WOW! My soda just came out of my nose as I choked hard after reading that... "It doesn't happen very often at WDW?" Obviously, you and I are not attending the same WDW.

 

[quantumottle]

A bit off topic, but I habe to share one more story about something that left me in disbelief last week. We were boarding the train in New Orleans Square and our line slowed down. Imagine my horror, when I see a mom and her 3 or 4 year old son, standing against the rail, with his pants dropped, peeing into the bushes!!!!!!! My son looked all confused and said, "Hey - I want to try that!" Ummm... I don't think so!!!

Reminds me of the time my family and I were eating at EPCOT when a lady 2 tables down from us plopped her kid on the table in front of her and changed his diaper, RIGHT ON THE TABLE! WHERE PEOPLE EAT!

Fortunately, my 2 kids just looked the other way and said nothing - I would not have known what to say had they asked me why this happened. lol.

 

[momtotwolittleones]

I think everyone needs to lighten up a little bit. Focus on having fun, and not on judging how everyone else is so wrong or unfair. You don't know their circumstances, and in the end it's really only your own reaction that's bumming you out. It's really not that huge of an impact on your wait time.

 

[MCSfromWA]

I noticed that the there is wider space to drive a scooter at the TSM line when we were there the other day. But even so, my mom is not very adept at making tight corners and didn't want to run anyone over so we all stood in the line while she waited with the CM's in the area where people with disabilities can wait for their party. She joined us AFTER we had waited in line. She just cannot stand in the line for that length of time. And she has gotten her scooter stuck in other ride lines before. I think in the best situation people should all stand in line. But sometimes that isn't possible. Or it creates more problems.

But not everyone feels that way.

Last fall my DSIL and her family went to DLR for the first time ever. When she got home she was telling me how easy it was to get on all of the rides during busy Halloween-time. I asked her how they managed that and she told me that one adult would stand in line and then as they got close to the front the kids would join the adult. Of course the kids were on other rides during the long line. When I told her that was NOT okay, she told me that a CM told them to do that. I explained that while she might have understood a CM as saying that -- everyone around her would be upset because it would cause them to stand in line longer. She kept saying that it was okay because a CM told her to do that.

 

[PoohNFriends]

But this is the key on this issue.

1 adult, 1 kid = OK
1 adult, 2 kids = OK
1 adult, 15 kids = not OK?

Where's the line?

If 1 adult, 1 kid = OK, are 2 adults OK? It's still 2 people.
And if so, 3 adults?

What if 1 of those adults (unbeknown to you) has special needs? Then is it okay?

- Dreams

There is no "line." It all depends of the circumstance as we perceive it. If it is something we would consider doing, then it is alright for others to do it too. If it is something we would not, then we consider it wrong for others to do.

As for someone with special needs, I don't think anyone would mind if the people gave a brief explanation as they approached each group. Communication is a wonderful tool. But there other ways to handle many special needs, including a GAC for many situations.

As for being rude in line, it is not just for rides. At the refreshment center on Main Street the person in front of my wife used his cell phone to call his friends when he was next in line. Then proceeded to stall at the counter, asking about the make-up of the hot dogs, ordering things then changing his mind, asking about the various treats. Then when his friends showed up, he continued to stall until they figured out what they wanted. He was at the window for close to 15 minutes, while everyone behind him waited.

I should't have used specific numbers of people because I'm not going to stick to those exact numbers - i.e. dad with 3 children; me - oh sorry that's past my quoata, 1 child has to stay behind . I was just trying to convey the point that I don't have a small number of people, but I'm much more likely to be irked with 6 teenagers, 10 family reunion members, or 8 tour group members...(again numbers are just made up, but much more realistic). And I'm not going to quiz the smaller group of people that need to get by, a polite excuse me will do. Like Capt Silly said better than I, there is no "drawn line", it's really going to depend on various circumstances.
I promise I'm a very nice and patient person so dad with 3 kids, I'll let you by me - no questions asked!