TSA mess and the police

[LuvOrlando]

When I first started this I was upset but now I'm just sort of resigned to the fact the TSA won't change and we'll never fly again until the wars are over. DH and I sat around yesterday looking at places we can go locally and we have a fairly decent list of shorter trips for 2011, Cape Cod, Cape May, Hershey, NJ Shore & Cedar Point. What can I do? When the world changes only a fool doesn't change with it, I can't abide by the changes so I'm going to have to do without. It stinks but what other choice is there? Too bad, I really used to love flying but I guess I can make an adventure out of embracing the way my generation traveled as kids. In the 70's people didn't fly. No-one flew, it was way too expensive. Instead families packed up cars ala Clark Griswold style and saw the country, stopping at roadside diners and motels. Look out AAA I see Trip Ticks in my future.

Between the way the economy is going and this hostile flying climate I think there could be some new trends, we all got here for different reasons but here we are anyway. Could be fun!

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

I agree that the critics are simply engaging in cynical fear-mongering propaganda - that's really the only weapon in their arsenal that has a chance of being effective - and by effective, I mean prompting a change in policy from a policy based on reason and rational consideration of all the factors to a policy based on fabricated fear. Perhaps it is time to start pointing the kind of off-the-wall conspiracy-theory suspicion that critics have been directing at this policy at the critics instead?

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

Then the law of averages is truly skewed... or people are making a big deal out of nothing.
The new procedures have been in effect for almost a month. In all that time, of all the millions of air passengers, only ONE menstruating passenger has gone through the backscatter scanner and needed additional screening and been so traumatized she took her experience to the media? Really? Yes, I read the article; yes, I realize this passenger had been sexually assaulted some time in the past.

What I find difficult to believe is that no other passenger using pads or diapers in the last month went through the scanner and then still had to be patted down - and didn't complain about it. None. Not one.

Edited to remove a joke that has been poorly received. I apologize to any who might have been offended.

 

[OceanAnnie]

When I first started this I was upset but now I'm just sort of resigned to the fact the TSA won't change and we'll never fly again until the wars are over. DH and I sat around yesterday looking at places we can go locally and we have a fairly decent list of shorter trips for 2011, Cape Cod, Cape May, Hershey, NJ Shore & Cedar Point. What can I do? When the world changes only a fool doesn't change with it, I can't abide by the changes so I'm going to have to do without. It stinks but what other choice is there? Too bad, I really used to love flying but I guess I can make an adventure out of embracing the way my generation traveled as kids. In the 70's people didn't fly. No-one flew, it was way too expensive. Instead families packed up cars ala Clark Griswold style and saw the country, stopping at roadside diners and motels. Look out AAA I see Trip Ticks in my future.

Between the way the economy is going and this hostile flying climate I think there could be some new trends, we all got here for different reasons but here we are anyway. Could be fun!

The roll out isn't even a month out. There are experts in the field of law that are divided on this issue. Lawsuits abounding. Really too soon to tell the outcome.

 

[LuvOrlando]

Sorry, you are applying logic in a thread driven by, well, other things.

What exactly is wrong with you and your need to dominate, not just you but the others like you? Parenting is driven by part logic and part emotion. It's isn't logic that keeps me from sleeping at night when my kids are running high fevers. It wasn't logic that kept me sleeping on a cabinet for 10 days last year when my DD was hospitalized for H1N1. It isn't logic which drove me to quit an exceptional job to be a SAHM. It wasn't logic which drove me to have kids at all, they cost a hundred thousand dollars then leave. It wasn't logic which caused me to get each of my kids a $3,000 first haircut at the Barber Shop on Main Street in WDW and it isn't logic that causes me to spend a fortune on Christmas gifts to make my kids happy.

You just don't get it do you, you and your little group just don't get it at all.

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

What exactly is wrong with you and your need to dominate?

I am just having fun. That was a joke. You are the one being aggressive. Also, you have over 130 replies in this thread - far and away the most. So, it would appear that you are the one trying to "dominate".

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

...You just don't get it do you, you and your little group just don't get it at all.

So, because we don't agree with you, we don't get it?

Can't we just have fun and agree to disagree? Does every thread have to be life or death serious?

 

[OceanAnnie]

So, because we don't agree with you, we don't get it?

Can't we just have fun and agree to disagree? Does every thread have to be life or death serious?

I see her point.

It's "having fun" at the expense of others. There is no corner market here on logic or gray matter. It's not "fun" to read that stuff.

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

I see her point.

It's "having fun" at the expense of others. There is no corner market here on logic or gray matter. It's not "fun" to read that stuff.

At the expense of who, exactly? You? Her? Or anyone who didn't agree with the joke? Not everyone is going to enjoy every joke. I don't really care if you liked it or not. It doesn't make it any less a joke. If someone decides that they are going to get offended, there is nothing that I can do to stop that. Frankly, there are people in this thread who seem to get offended just because everyone doesn't agree with them.

As for the "logic" comment - I never claimed to have the market cornered. In fact, I was quoting someone else, so it wasn't even my logic.

I was only making a joke.

 

[chicagodisneyfan]

What exactly is wrong with you and your need to dominate, not just you but the others like you? Parenting is driven by part logic and part emotion. It's isn't logic that keeps me from sleeping at night when my kids are running high fevers. It wasn't logic that kept me sleeping on a cabinet for 10 days last year when my DD was hospitalized for H1N1. It isn't logic which drove me to quit an exceptional job to be a SAHM. It wasn't logic which drove me to have kids at all, they cost a hundred thousand dollars then leave. It wasn't logic which caused me to get each of my kids a $3,000 first haircut at the Barber Shop on Main Street in WDW and it isn't logic that causes me to spend a fortune on Christmas gifts to make my kids happy.

You just don't get it do you, you and your little group just don't get it at all.

Our little group gets it. You are the dominating person who has made more than 10% of the posts in this thread.

We are just choosing not to surrender our lives due to a simple policy. We want to travel the world and expose our children to fantastic experiences abroad. I want to be able to take my nieces to New York next weekend for holiday shopping. We want to be able to get to Disney in 2 hours via plane.

It seems like you are your family are being hurt by your decision. And you know what - that is fine. You are able to do that.

But do not make the same decision for me and mine.

 

[LuvOrlando]

So, because we don't agree with you, we don't get it?

Can't we just have fun and agree to disagree? Does every thread have to be life or death serious?

No, that's not my point. The fact you dismiss and mock where people are coming from is the point.

You sound like my 11 year old daughter. The meanest things come flying out of her mouth and when she gets called on it DH & I get a "JK JK giggle"

I think you've made more than enough questionable posts to completely undermine your claim of 'fun', you are sardonic, which is light years from fun

 

[OceanAnnie]

Not everyone is going to enjoy every joke. I don't really care if you liked it or not. It doesn't make it any less a joke.

As for the "logic" comment - I never claimed to have the market cornered. In fact, I was quoting someone else, so it wasn't even my logic.

I was only making a joke.

Nice.

Tell a "joke" about others and then be defensive when people don't find it "funny". Okay.

 

[bicker]

Parenting is driven by part logic and part emotion.

The government shouldn't be engaging in parenting. They should be engaging in governance. Perhaps that's really the problem: Some folks are expecting their preferences and choices as a parent to prevail over the law that affects more than just their own family.

You just don't get it do you, you and your little group just don't get it at all.

That kind of statement, directed at a specific poster, even if that specific poster posted a similarly in appropriate statement, contributes nothing to the discussion other than perhaps inciting a hostile response. Let's avoid that sort of thing, eh?

 

[OceanAnnie]

At the expense of who, exactly? You? Her? Or anyone who didn't agree with the joke? Not everyone is going to enjoy every joke. I don't really care if you liked it or not. It doesn't make it any less a joke. If someone decides that they are going to get offended, there is nothing that I can do to stop that. Frankly, there are people in this thread who seem to get offended just because everyone doesn't agree with them.

As for the "logic" comment - I never claimed to have the market cornered. In fact, I was quoting someone else, so it wasn't even my logic.

I was only making a joke.

I'm not offended. It was unkind.

Comments like that snowball and get threads closed.

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

I'm not offended. It was unkind.

Comments like that snowball and get threads closed.

What about her comment that we "just don't get it"?

 

[LuvOrlando]

Our little group gets it. You are the dominating person who has made more than 10% of the posts in this thread.

We are just choosing not to surrender our lives due to a simple policy. We want to travel the world and expose our children to fantastic experiences abroad. I want to be able to take my nieces to New York next weekend for holiday shopping. We want to be able to get to Disney in 2 hours via plane.

It seems like you are your family are being hurt by your decision. And you know what - that is fine. You are able to do that.

But do not make the same decision for me and mine.

In case you missed it, this is my thread which means a good number of the posts are going to be from me. That is sort of how it works

 

[OceanAnnie]

What about her comment that we "just don't get it"?

She did say that in defense. Maybe she's right.

It's an important issue.

Maybe it's not "as important" to others. I have read posters say exactly that.
Maybe posters don't understand how important it is to those with opposing opinions.

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

No, that's not my point. The fact you dismiss and mock where people are coming from is the point...

No, your point is that you somehow felt that the joke was directed at you when it was not. You took it personally, even though it was not directed at you. Everything isn't about you.

Also, you have done worse by actually saying that me and people like me don't get it. Pot, meet kettle...

 

[LuvOrlando]

What about her comment that we "just don't get it"?

Because you don't, I think I have tried on numerous occasions to be generous and accept that an opposing conclusion is valid. It's not my way but it's valid anyway. When did you do that?

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

She did say that in defense. Maybe she's right...

See, and this sums up the difference between me and you (and her). I can accept that and not be offended. I can laugh it off. I don't mind that we disagree. I do not see this as a thread that can be "won".