True Life Miracle

If I personally were involved in the official investigation (as in it was my responsibility), I would agree with what you have said.. But since I'm not - I'm just a person on the outside looking in on a news story - I more inclined to give people the benefit of the doubt until such time that there is a valid reason to feel otherwise..

I don't think it's emotionally healthy for people to automatically veer off in the direction of a "worst case scenario" in regards to a person and/or situation such as this - especially if there's no action they can take in an attempt to change the outcome.. Causes ulcers..;) :rotfl:
How is it being emotionally unhealthy to hear a news story and speculate/discuss the validity of it? :confused3 I'm willing to bet we're not all freaking out and getting ulcers if we don't automatically accept it for a miracle. Don't most people think it should be investigated, no matter who/what led to the favorable outcome? Maybe it is a miracle; maybe the guy knows more than he's saying...that's up to the police to find out. But it doesn't mean everyone else not personally involved, nor able to change the outcome, can't think.
 
I simply think that it is in the best interest of society for law enforcement to look further into this matter. .

And I'm sure the law enforcement will..:goodvibes
 
And I'm sure the law enforcement will..:goodvibes

Oh, absolutely! I'm sure they already are. ;) But there's no harm in people discussing all of the different aspects here, either. That's what makes this place so interesting (and such fun to read)! :goodvibes
 
Just to set something straight, the gentleman who found her is NOT a church pastor; he is merely a member of the family's church (which btw is a megachurch; the Metro Church of Winter Springs).

The man who found the girl is named James King. Metro's pastor is named Dan Holland.
 

Just to set something straight, the gentleman who found her is NOT a church pastor; he is merely a member of the family's church (which btw is a megachurch; the Metro Church of Winter Springs).

The man who found the girl is named James King. Metro's pastor is named Dan Holland.

Thank you for pointing that out. I don't know how I picked up the wrong information. I've edited my posts, but unfortunately the times I was quoted won't be changed unless the people who quoted me edit their posts.
 
Thank you for pointing that out. I don't know how I picked up the wrong information. I've edited my posts, but unfortunately the times I was quoted won't be changed unless the people who quoted me edit their posts.

Pleaee don't think I meant to pick on you. I just couldn't figure out how suddenly a reference to a pastor kept turning up. This board being what it is, I thought it best to clear that up before the thread went off topic.
 
Pleaee don't think I meant to pick on you. I just couldn't figure out how suddenly a reference to a pastor kept turning up. This board being what it is, I thought it best to clear that up before the thread went off topic.

Oh my gosh - no offense taken at all! :goodvibes

But I do have to say, the one thing I've learned since joining is that threads going off topic almost seems to be a requirement :rotfl:
 
How is it being emotionally unhealthy to hear a news story and speculate/discuss the validity of it? :confused3 I'm willing to bet we're not all freaking out and getting ulcers if we don't automatically accept it for a miracle. Don't most people think it should be investigated, no matter who/what led to the favorable outcome? Maybe it is a miracle; maybe the guy knows more than he's saying...that's up to the police to find out. But it doesn't mean everyone else not personally involved, nor able to change the outcome, can't think.

I'm pretty sure even the Vatican investigates miracles, they don't just put their faith in the honesty of the person claiming it. It's human nature to question the unbelievable when it happens. I'd say it's unhealthy not to.
 
Not to sound like a cynic, but when I read that the man had a dream that led him to directly to the child, and belonged to the same church as the family, my thought was,
"Did the family and the man stage this to get people to believe in God and miracles?"
I'm sure that's not the case, but people have done crazier things in the name of religion.
 
Yes. It definitely crossed my mind. I hope she hasn't been victimized, but I am also relieved she is alive and with her family. Kids with autism aren't very good liars. If there is more to the story it will come out.

You're right about the lying and autism. My son was almost a teen before he learned how to lie. Did you know that lying is a developmental milestone?

If that man is involved I bet that girl will talk!
 
I have points from a religion thread already, so I'm not commenting on that aspect.

I will comment that it is not normal to accept a circumstance at face value....ever.

Now, lynching the guy--that would be over the top inappropriate. But wondering how all the puzzle pieces fit together that he should find the girl....that's a normal reaction.
 
Ok - they released the 911 call James King made and it is weird. He gets annoyed that the dispatchers are asking him questions about where his car is. She is SUPER polite and sounds like she isn't in distress at ALL! The whole thing is weird.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-nadia-bloom-911-call-mp3,0,5823775.mp3file

To me, he just sounded excited to have found her. He got a little frustrated because he wanted them to get to her. He told them that coming in from the 417 was not a good idea. I think he did great with Nadia. He is obviously a deeply religious person. Much more than I am, but I didn't pick anything up from the conversation that sounded suspicious.
 
something is fishy here. and "unhealthy"? please. If it were unhealthy there would be no LE.

and please, leave the religious aspects out of this thread. How many other cases has someone dream led them DIRECTLY to the person? maybe vicinity...??
 
Article from CNN-

CNN) -- Rescuers carried an 11-year-old girl out of dense, swampy forest in Florida on Tuesday, four days after she disappeared.

The team, carrying Nadia Bloom in a cloth stretcher, trudged through brush for nearly two hours to bring her out of the area near Lake Jesup, northeast of Orlando, Florida, said Chief Kevin P. Brunelle of the Winter Springs Police Department.

He said that Nadia, who has been described as mildly autistic, was found shoeless and covered in insect bites. She was otherwise in good condition.
"She was not complaining of anything other than the fact that she had insect bites," Brunelle said.

"She did make two comments to the officers when they got there: 'Glad you guys found me, can't believe you rescued me,' " he said.
Video: Missing girl found in good condition

A paramedic with the group administered intravenous fluids to the girl, he said. Nadia was taken to a hospital for evaluation, and a doctor there said she smiled when she arrived and was "doing wonderfully," CNN affiliate WESH-TV reported.

"Her vitals were stable. She clearly has had the effects of being outside for five days," said Dr. Rakish Parekh at South Seminole Hospital in Longwood, Florida, according to WESH. "But she's handling it very, very well."

A member of the Bloom family's church who was participating in the search found Nadia, who had been missing since Friday, HLN reported.

James King called authorities around 8:30 a.m. ET on Tuesday to tell them that he had found her, Brunelle said.

Authorities used King's cell phone to track down his location, and then had a helicopter fly around the area to find him.

"Mr. King, himself, climbed a tree and was able to throw toilet paper on top of the tree back and forth in order to give us a location," Brunelle said.
"Mr. King is a hero. He led us to her," he said.

He said the rescuers had to chop through bushes and trees to carry Nadia back to where her family and reporters were waiting.

"It just shows the compassion of the human spirit when things like this happen. It should give everyone encouragement," Nadia Bloom's father, Jeff Bloom, told reporters after seeing his daughter.

Nadia was on a bike ride when she stopped to take some pictures and got lost, her father said.

"Our daughter's a nature lover," he said.

Authorities are interviewing King for further details, Brunelle said.
Authorities canceled an Amber Alert for the girl on Tuesday morning; the cancellation said "the case has been resolved" but provided no further details.

Another article from the local news with lots of additional info-



Nadia To Rescuers: "Glad You Guys Found Me"



SEMINOLE COUNTY, Fla. -- It was an answer to many prayers. After days of being lost in dangerous woods near alligator-infested waters, an 11-year-old Seminole County girl was found alive Tuesday.

Nadia Bloom’s family laid eyes on her for the first time in days when she was carried out of the woods and placed into an ambulance (see images | raw video) and taken to South Seminole Hospital. She had been missing for nearly 90 hours.



“She did make two comments to the officers when they got there. ‘Glad you guys found me,’ ‘Can’t believe you rescued me.' So, they were very, very, very excited about that,” Winter Springs Police Chief Kevin Brunelle said during a press conference early Tuesday afternoon.
Nadia disappeared in the woods behind her home in the Barrington Estates subdivision in Winter Springs and was found Tuesday morning by a volunteer who used to attend her church, 45-year-old James King.

“The love of everybody, from everybody across the country praying,” Nadia’s father said shortly after the girl emerged from the woods (watch interview with parents). “It all came so fast and just shows the compassion of the human spirit.”
Chief Brunelle said Nadia did sustain a lot of bug bites and was dehydrated. The chief said an IV of fluids was given to her before she was removed from the woods.

Dr. Rakesh Parekh, from South Seminole Hospital, spoke briefly to the media Tuesday afternoon about Nadia's condition (watch full presser).


Nadia was found dehydrated and covered in bug bites, but otherwise well.

“Nadia is doing wonderfully,” he said. “Medically speaking, she’s done remarkably. She’s clearly dehydrated … But generally she’s doing remarkably well.”

Parekh said he expects Nadia to have a short stay at the hospital with their main goal to hydrate her and tend to her wounds and abrasions.
“Our goal is to stabilize her here,” Parekh said.

WFTV learned late Tuesday afternoon that Nadia was "moved" from the hospital, but officials wouldn't clarify if that meant she was moved to another hospital or was discharged.

Around 11:40am, Nadia emerged from the woods, being carried by a team of rescuers, including the man who found her. It took the rescue crew about two hours to remove her from the location where she was found.

“Everyone here at the city felt personally touched by these events,” Winter Springs Mayor Mayor John F. Bush said. “Our hearts were with the family during the awful period of uncertainty and we are all relieved that she’s back in the embrace of her loved ones.”
Chief Brunelle said police received a phone call from King around 8:30am saying he found Nadia just slightly east and north of the 417.
"He was able to tell us that he located her,” Brunelle told reporters early Tuesday afternoon “He talked us in there. And what we did from that point was triangulate the cell phone call.”


Nadia Bloom was loaded into an ambulance after being pulled out of the woods days after she disappeared.
Brunelle said Nadia's feet were very water-logged, but that she did make two comments to the rescuers: "Glad you guys found me” and "I can’t believe you rescued me."

“Mr. King is a hero right now," Brunelle said. Brunelle said Nadia told rescuers "she hadn't seen a soul" until she was found Tuesday morning.

“I never believed in miracles, but I sure do now,” Brunelle said.

James King, who found Nadia, was a member of Metro Church of Christ and knew her family, though he said he didn't know them well. That certainly didn't stop him from searching the woods for Nadia with fellow church members on Monday or dissuade him from returning alone Tuesday.

King was hard to miss as he left the scene Tuesday literally covered in mud (see images). He told one of his pastors that he was nearly waist-deep in mud to get to where Nadia was found, walking alone with a water pack on his back.

King had been part of the search for days, but Tuesday, just hours before experts said Nadia should have been dead, he decided to trek into an area where no one had gone before.

"In all your ways acknowledge him and he will direct your path and he directed my path straight to her," King shouted to the crowd, reinforcing the role he says his faith played, after finding Nadia and returning with the rescue crew. "Because I prayed that all the way."


James King (pictured) believes divine intervention helped lead him to where Nadia Bloom was in the woods.
The 45-year-old man told WFTV he works for Elbit Systems, an Israeli defense electronics company with U.S. divisions. He said his boss was very understanding of him missing work to go search.

“Before it was daylight, I got ready, I taped my boots. I got hydration for me and for her,” King told WFTV Tuesday afternoon (watch full interview). “I went into the woods. It was rough. At one point I got a stick in my eye."

King, a deeply religious man, said his faith in God led him to Nadia.

“The Lord said, ‘Nope, go east. Look at the sunrise, follow the sun.’ So I did,” he said.
It took him nearly two hours before he found her.

“She was sitting on a log. She seemed very calm,” King explained.

“She was eaten up with mosquito bites from top to bottom.”

King said Nadia remembered him from church.

“Sat with her. Got out the stuff that I had for her. She was a little disappointed that the trail mix didn’t have M&Ms,” King said.

After emerging from the woods with Nadia and a team of rescuers, King was taken in for questioning.

“They need to make sure that I’m not some kind of guy that dragged her into the woods to be a hero. They were doing their job and they did it well,” King said.


Nadia's family (father and sister pictured) were visibly happy as they anxiously waited for her to emerge from the woods with rescuers.
King had no unkind words for the police department. He said they were professional and didn't subject him to any tests. King said Nadia told him she went for a nature walk and got lost, but never lost faith someone would find her.

“I'm glad he was an instrument used by God. He wasn't out there trying to be a hero. He loves the Lord and it's very obvious and he loves children,” King’s wife Diana said.

Nadia's family was anxiously waiting at an area just on the edge of the woods for the little girl's arrival. The girl's parents and sister were visibly elated (see images).

“You’ve got to believe God’s hand was in it,” said Dan Holland, senior pastor at the family's church, Metro Life Church in Casselberry. “She was able to talk.”

King was searching the woods for Nadia on his own and found the girl alive Tuesday morning, saying he could only see bug bites when he found her. Holland said King told him he said a prayer and asked God to lead him to Nadia. According to Holland, King was pushing through a swamp-area when he made the discovery. "He said he went straight out through the swamps and found her,” Holland said.

Investigators said Nadia was found in an area they called Zone 13 (see map), which had not been previously searched and is possibly the most dense woods of the search area. It's only about a half-mile from the family's home on Wescott Loop (see map).
Zone 13 would've been searched Tuesday by police. It's covered in brush so thick that investigators didn't think Nadia could get through, so they saved it for last (take airboat ride through area).

Search teams had been looking for Bloom since she was first reported missing last Friday after her bicycle was found parked near a wooded area in her neighborhood. The mildly autistic girl is fascinated by the outdoors and wildlife, so investigators thought she might have tried to explore the dense woods behind her house off SR-434 near Lake Jesup.

Friday, Nadia's bike was found at the end of a cul-de-sac in her Barrington Estates subdivision (see map), near only one home, standing deliberately with the kickstand down and her helmet hanging on the handlebars.

WFTV learned about Nadia's fascination with a popular "American Girls" doll. The fictional character, Lanie (more about Lanie character), is an outdoorsy nature-lover who explores her own backyard. WFTV learned Nadia had a book about Lanie and two cameras with her in the backpack she was wearing Friday.

Nadia has a form of autism similar to Asperger's Syndrome. Friends said she's extremely bright, a spelling bee winner, but also the type to get lost in her own world.

http://www.wftv.com/news/23134610/detail.html
 
If he's innocent (which I think he probably is; it's not unusual for people to have these "gifts" - even police use "visionaries" regularly now in missing persons cases even though they keep it quiet), then it's a testament to his goodwill and spirit that he went forward and got involved *knowing* that he was going to be subject to suspicion and disbelief. His mindset was obviously elsewhere. If he's found innocent of wrongdoing, then I hope he's recognized as the hero he is. :goodvibes

They need to make sure that I’m not some kind of guy that dragged her into the woods to be a hero. They were doing their job and they did it well,” King said.
 





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