Again jarestel, well said in your 'rebuttal' that anyone who dares to say that a room doesn't meet his particular needs is somehow ...and the leap of logic astounds me...saying that handicapped PEOPLE are inferior. Oh my goodness!!! I am trying to copy/paste your comments here, but I'm semi computer illiterate and not sure exactly how to do it,so here goes):
Quote:Originally Posted by CarolA
"Inferior is in the eye of the beholder..... And by saying this it appears that you behold those who need those rooms as "inferior". "
Jarestel: "Here comes the "if you don't like HA rooms, then you don't like HA people" rubbish again..."
Quote:Originally Posted by CarolA: "My theory is that the DVC CMs are flat out fed up with us whining about the rooms, views etc.... "
(Jarestel: "What a shame for the CMs. Maybe someone in DVC management should remind them who the owners are and who the employees are..."
Quote:Originally Posted by CarolA"If you can't live with the Request options may I suggest you click on the board sponsor. They will be glad to assist you in selling your membership thereby assuring you of no future inferior rooms."
Jerestel: "I wondered how long it would take for this "if you don't like it, sell" stuff to appear. Actually, it took quite a while, but here it is. How about the concept of trying to make things work better for all concerned, or is that too radical of a idea. We don't have to be vacantly grinning stepford members who are just grateful for the opportunity to spend our money at Disney in order to prove we like Disney as much as everyone else. If we didn't like it so much, we probably wouldn't be so concerned with trying to improve the experience."
________________________________________________________________ I don't think Carol quite got the point.
I had hit 'copy' to respond to the illogical leap of logic that if you think a HA room doesn't meet your needs that it somehow means that you think handicapped people are inferior. But then I saw your reply. Well said, and I would like to second all your comments. While a HA room AT DISNEY doesn't meet my needs or expectations at all, I have no reason to believe that the room itself is 'inferior' except as in meeting my personal needs. My personal handicap requires me to have a tub. For anyone to imply that because I need, expect, or even just want a tub that it also MEANS that I consider handicapped people inferior is obnoxious in addition to illogical and I resent the allegation.
As to anyone who expects that a DVC room will have a tub in it :
every piece of literature that Disney uses to advertise DVC accommodations shows a room layout that INCLUDES A TUB. Therefore, one shouldn't have to request a tub. Therefore , it isnt' wrong to EXPECT a tub. In effect, DVC purchasers were shown that their rooms would include tubs. However, it is interesting to note that none of the tubs in the layouts show that they have shower attachments! So, and I hate to be the harbinger of bad news, but LOGICALLY, we shouldn't EXPECT that the DVC rooms include showers (except those that are shown in one bedrooms and up as showers only). It seems to me that expecting a bathtub is the same as expecting a toilet since both are shown on the layout. However, shower attachments in the tub aren't shown...so point of fact, if you are given a room with only a bathtub and no shower attachement, then you actually don't have a legal leg to stand on if you complain. (Tho I will defend your right to complain about it
)Point of logic and reasonable expection: unless we are told when we make a reservation that our reserved room doesn't have a toilet, a tub, and yes, even a shower, then we should be able to assume that it does. And no one should be villified for expecting a common appliance shown in a Disney room layout to be supplied.
WHile we are on the subject, no one should be villified for complaining about a health concern in a room. If mercury is leaking from the air conditioner, if there is asbestos hanging out of the ceiling or if there is tar and nicotine oozing out of the comforters, the walls, the pillows...those are health concerns and it is reasonable to expect that no one wants to stay in a room that might endanger our health. Again, it is a reasonable expectation that when making a reservation we should be guaranteed a room that presents no health concern if we request same.
Why do you think Disney now posts OUTSIDE the park when certain attractions are closed? To protect themselves from people saying: Space Mt is closed and I didn't get my money's worth. Disney states 'requests noted but not guaranteed' so that in the event a request isn't given, they aren't liable. Traditionally, this would mean requests as to view, location to elevators, floor and it is fair that these just be requests. But to lump these traditional requests in with REASONABLE expectatiions of health concerns is unfair. I don't think when people bought into DVC that they thought they could only request a healthy room but not be guaranteed one.
To take this one step farther...should someone die as a result of say, as asthma attack that could be documented (and please realize that there is a plethora of expert witnesses who can be paid to testify to anything) as stemming from occupying a smoking room when a nonsmoking room was requested....the financial liability to Disney would be HUGE. And effect DVC owners too. I cannot fathom why DIsney would allow that liability problem by not guaranteeing nonsmoking rooms. (And no, I am not implying that people who smoke are inferior.
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Ok...I gotta go outside and enjoy my day. I think Disney needs to understand that by not guaranteeing CERTAIN requests that they are actually losing business and exposing themselves (and perhaps us) to legal liabilities.
Peace out,
Colorado Belle
