Transgenders and bathrooms....

[DLgal]

I find all these ridiculous state laws very helpful. They let me know which states to NEVER visit, spend money in, consider living or working in, etc. Really narrows things down for me.

 

[sunshinehighway]

OK. Well if people are so worried about cis people harming children in like gender restrooms, and there are more cis people than trans, why is the only

and perverts may masquerade as deeply religious people in order to gain access to kids in church youth groups, or as coaches who only care about helping kids enjoy and excell at a sport in order to gain trust and access to children, or as close family friends in order to gain access to and trust of a child and their family, etc ,etc (and those examples actually happen, repeatedly, and there is a real history there, but that doesn't mean we make laws that specifically put priests, coaches, scoutmasters, and family friends into at best awkward and at worst historically dangerous positions just in case someone is using their position for pervy reasons.

Don't forget politicians! They've got plenty of pervs too.

 

[tzolkin]

I find all these ridiculous state laws very helpful. They let me know which states to NEVER visit, spend money in, consider living or working in, etc. Really narrows things down for me.

The trouble is laws like this aren't really representative of the state. To assume most people in the state think a certain way is not accurate in my experience.

I live in NC. I personally don't know anyone here (even conservative Christians) who agrees with this law (but have seen plenty of people I know from more "liberal" states like NY posting their support on FB). My DD will be attending a state school here next year and she started receiving info immediately about what they were doing to make accommodations for the restrooms (to ensure trans students wouldn't have to follow this new law). Every major NC city has expressed that they don't agree with this and basically begged for it to be reversed.

 

[mnrose]

How on earth has everyone been figuring out which bathroom to go to without the government's help???? I mean I don't think all transgenders have been holding it all these years. I just don't get why anyone is so up in arms now.

Anyone know WHY NC decided to make this law? Have they had some kind of problems in that state over who goes to what bathroom?

I can't explain the REAL purpose behind this law without getting all political, but look at the other provisions in the law and you can get an idea. Then look at who funds the people behind this law and you get an even clearer picture. The "bathroom issue" was inserted to get the bill passed (it's pretty easy to get people riled up when you scream "perverts in the bathroom, protect our daughters!", but it was a convenient way to get other provisions passed which serve the purposes of those behind the bill very well.

 

[mnrose]

Don't forget politicians! They've got plenty of pervs too.

LOL. You mean like a certain former Speaker of the House? And, how about all those Catholic priests molesting alter boys? Yes, let's not worry about ACTUAL perverts, lets spend all our time demonizing a group of people who have NEVER (no documented cases, ever) attacked anyone in a locker room.

 

[DizBelle]

If your only concern is that non trans men who are perverts will now masquerade as trans women to get into women's restrooms, why is this something you are suddenly concerned about? What's changed in your world to make you suddenly worried?

As you know, trans people have been using public restrooms for years without issues. You mean there wasn't a single pervert who noticed this the entire time and decided to give it a try himself? It took the idiot law makers in NC for perverted guys to say, "OMG! This is fantastic! I am going to dress like a female and prey on little girls in restrooms everywhere. If only I had thought of this earlier." You know for a fact that 99.9% of public restrooms aren't guarded. There is absolutely nothing in place to stop people from going into the restroom of their choosing and there never has been. As we have discovered, most sick individuals don't prey on kids in restrooms, thankfully. Why are you expecting that to suddenly change?

Nothing changed about my world. I think about lots of things all the time. Today, this one floated to the top so I posted about it.

 

[DizBelle]

That argument doesn't make sense because it's not something that's happening.
The other problem with it is you are saying it's ok to be suspicious of transgendered people because they might just be perverts in disguise. While it's not coming out and saying all transgender people are perverts, it is saying they could be so let's treat them like they are.

I never said it was ok to be suspicious of transgendered people for any reason.

 

[DizBelle]

OK. Well if people are so worried about cis people harming children in like gender restrooms, and there are more cis people than trans, why is the only

and perverts may masquerade as deeply religious people in order to gain access to kids in church youth groups, or as coaches who only care about helping kids enjoy and excell at a sport in order to gain trust and access to children, or as close family friends in order to gain access to and trust of a child and their family, etc ,etc (and those examples actually happen, repeatedly, and there is a real history there, but that doesn't mean we make laws that specifically put priests, coaches, scoutmasters, and family friends into at best awkward and at worst historically dangerous positions just in case someone is using their position for pervy reasons.

Then, maybe the answer is that there isn't anything we can do and we'll just have to learn to deal with it. This is a valid answer.

 

[sunshinehighway]

I never said it was ok to be suspicious of transgendered people for any reason.

Yeah you did, not outright of course, because those types of things are never said outright. That way it can be denied later.
You're logic seems to be you are afraid pervert will pretend to be transgender to get into the ladies room and do their pervert things. To prevent that completely made up problem, you want to treat all transgender people like they are potentionally just really perverts looking to do pervert things in the restroom. That is saying it's ok to be suspicious of them.

 

[lovemygoofy]

Then, maybe the answer is that there isn't anything we can do and we'll just have to learn to deal with it. This is a valid answer.

Dealing with what?? Can't do anything about what? People have been using restrooms for many many years successfully without states's help of sorting out a non problem.

I'm in favor of people just going to go do their business. I don't care what bathroom is used.

 

[mickeyboat]

Why do we need to legislate this issue? Why can't be all be kind, compassionate, understanding and accommodating people who respect one another's privacy and don't flash our junk in public?

Beyond the bathroom policing, the NC legislation further damages the civil rights of gays and transgenders by limiting their access to state court to file workplace discrimination claims based on sexual identity and sexual orientation.

 

[NHdisneylover]

Then, maybe the answer is that there isn't anything we can do and we'll just have to learn to deal with it. This is a valid answer.

I can agree with that--making laws requiring people to use certain bathrooms does not make anyone safer and in fact puts some people in more danger--so we should not make such laws and should all learn to deal with not knowing or needing to know or having any right to know what genitalia the person peeing in the next stall has.
Done.

 

[sunshinehighway]

Why do we need to legislate this issue? Why can't be all be kind, compassionate, understanding and accommodating people who respect one another's privacy and don't flash our junk in public?

Beyond the bathroom policing, the NC legislation further damages the civil rights of gays and transgenders by limiting their access to state court to file workplace discrimination claims based on sexual identity and sexual orientation.

And that's the real purpose of such laws. The bathroom issue gets more attention because trans issues are a hot topic right now. Besides as someone else mentioned, it's a lot easier to yell "Perverts in the bathroom!" and get support than "Yay discrimination!"

 

[DizBelle]

Yeah you did, not outright of course, because those types of things are never said outright. That way it can be denied later.
You're logic seems to be you are afraid pervert will pretend to be transgender to get into the ladies room and do their pervert things. To prevent that completely made up problem, you want to treat all transgender people like they are potentionally just really perverts looking to do pervert things in the restroom. That is saying it's ok to be suspicious of them.

Well, this wasn't in my head when I posted. Still isn't in my head.

 

[sunshinehighway]

Well, this wasn't in my head when I posted. Still isn't in my head.

You have repeatedly mentioned peverts pretending to be transgender to get in a bathroom. If that's not what is in your head then you need to realize that's what is coming across. By continuously mentioning perverts pretending to be transgender all you are doing is continuing that ridiculous and made up idea.
Its word games. You keep saying things like "well I just don't know what's to stop a man from pretending to be transgender and going to the ladies room to act all perfect" but there's no reason to even entertain that idea because it's not a real problem. The only people saying such things are those that support these bathroom laws.

 

[DizBelle]

Dealing with what?? Can't do anything about what? People have been using restrooms for many many years successfully without states's help of sorting out a non problem.

I'm in favor of people just going to go do their business. I don't care what bathroom is used.

"Dealing with what?" - Dealing with that there may be someone saying they are female just to get into the women's restroom. I don't think anyone can say that this won't happen at all. Previous posters have pointed out that people have probably been doing this for ages (before any of this transgendered stuff) and dressed up as women to get into the women's restroom to get their jollies. Now, they don't have to dress up. All they have to do is say they identify as a women.

"People have been using restrooms for many many years successfully without states's help of sorting out a non problem." - So no one ever, in the history of public restrooms, has had an issue with being the subject of someone elses naughty behavior in the restroom?

"I'm in favor of people just going to go do their business. I don't care what bathroom is used." - I agree with this. However, there are people that DON'T just go in there to do their business. As much as you don't like it, if you use public restrooms, at some point you'll have someone in there with you that is going to do something naughty.

It is not the transgendered people that are an issue. It's the people that will claim to be whatever gender gets them into the bathroom they want to go in. Addressing this aspect of the issue may put too much of a burden on the transgendered and that may be unacceptable. If that's the case, then we'll have to deal with it and everyone will have to share the burden. This is a perfectly valid answer to the situation.

 

[mickeyboat]

Why would any pervert who is trying to get their jollies off go into a women's room looking like a man and claim to be a transgender so they don't get into trouble for being there? Perverts are perverted, but not stupid. Why would someone draw attention to themselves in that way? It is just ridiculous! If we are concerned about perverts in the bathroom, then we should legislate stiff penalties for people being perverted, not legislate against a sexual identity.

 

[threeboysmom]

"Dealing with what?" - Dealing with that there may be someone saying they are female just to get into the women's restroom. I don't think anyone can say that this won't happen at all. Previous posters have pointed out that people have probably been doing this for ages (before any of this transgendered stuff) and dressed up as women to get into the women's restroom to get their jollies. Now, they don't have to dress up. All they have to do is say they identify as a women.

"People have been using restrooms for many many years successfully without states's help of sorting out a non problem." - So no one ever, in the history of public restrooms, has had an issue with being the subject of someone elses naughty behavior in the restroom?

"I'm in favor of people just going to go do their business. I don't care what bathroom is used." - I agree with this. However, there are people that DON'T just go in there to do their business. As much as you don't like it, if you use public restrooms, at some point you'll have someone in there with you that is going to do something naughty.

It is not the transgendered people that are an issue. It's the people that will claim to be whatever gender gets them into the bathroom they want to go in. Addressing this aspect of the issue may put too much of a burden on the transgendered and that may be unacceptable. If that's the case, then we'll have to deal with it and everyone will have to share the burden. This is a perfectly valid answer to the situation.

I agree.

I have absolutely NO issue whatsoever sharing a bathroom with a transgendered individual. None whatsoever. I DO have a problem sharing a bathroom with a MAN who is pretending & taking full advantage of this new law in order to get a peek at girls. And I'm not necessarily talking about a pervert that is looking to harm a woman or child, but just a full-blooded, testosterone-charged male looking for a cheap thrill. Not sure about you all, but in my teens and early 20's, I knew PLENTY of guys that would JUMP at the chance to enter a women's locker room, fitting room, or restroom... and now they can legally. I'm not comfortable with that at all. Women will have absolutely no privacy. Sorry, but I don't want to pee in front of a normal male that is standing outside my stall just so he can get his jollies.

Honestly, we go in this direction, we might as well make every bathroom, fitting room, and locker room unisex in every public place and school. Just get rid of all gender separations. What's the point of having male/female if we can go in either that we choose?

Sad that in order to give someone else their "right to choose", it takes away my "right to privacy, decency, & dignity."

 

[msjprincess]

I agree.

I have absolutely NO issue whatsoever sharing a bathroom with a transgendered individual. None whatsoever. I DO have a problem sharing a bathroom with a MAN who is pretending & taking full advantage of this new law in order to get a peek at girls. And I'm not necessarily talking about a pervert that is looking to harm a woman or child, but just a full-blooded, testosterone-charged male looking for a cheap thrill. Not sure about you all, but in my teens and early 20's, I knew PLENTY of guys that would JUMP at the chance to enter a women's locker room, fitting room, or restroom... and now they can legally. I'm not comfortable with that at all. Women will have absolutely no privacy. Sorry, but I don't want to pee in front of a normal male that is standing outside my stall just so he can get his jollies.

Honestly, we go in this direction, we might as well make every bathroom, fitting room, and locker room unisex in every public place and schools. Just get rid of all gender separations. What's the point of having male/female if we can go in either that we choose?

Sad that in order to give someone else their "right to choose", it takes away my "right to privacy, decency, & dignity."

Unless you live in Charlotte NC there is no new law and absolutely nothing has changed. 99% of the country allows transgender people to use the bathroom they choose. There aren't any laws about which bathroom you have to use.

And no, I don't know any teens or young men that will don a dress and wig to get a peak at the women's bathroom.

 

[DizBelle]

Unless you live in Charlotte NC there is no new law and absolutely nothing has changed. 99% of the country allows transgender people to use the bathroom they choose. There aren't any laws about which bathroom you have to use.

And no, I don't know any teens or young men that will don a dress and wig to get a peak at the women's bathroom.

They don't have to don a dress and wig to legitimize their visit to the women's bathroom. They can walk in as-is.