Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes are divorcing.

[Imzadi]

Good for her. I always liked Katie Holmes and never understood why she got involved with Tom.

DH's uncle is a scientologist. He's a special guy. We once visited their house and I asked if they had any aspirin since I had a migraine - he suggested that I go outside and focus on the positive energy radiating from an oak tree. He said that would cure it.

It didn't, and I felt like a fool stood in their front yard staring at a tree.

He didn't try a Touch Assist after that?

Or explain you probably have deep rooted issues, need to take some Sci courses, get auditing, to heal the migraine?

 

[Lehuaann]

Msnbc is reporting that all 3 of Tom's wives were
33 yrs old when they separated/divorced...coincidence?

 

[Tiger926]

Msnbc is reporting that all 3 of Tom's wives were
33 yrs old when they separated/divorced...coincidence?

Oh my! That is an amazing coincidence...

Actually there was an old printed magazine article in which Mimi said it. She posed for some rather risque photos to shed her matronly image of being in the shadow of Tom's wife. It might have been Vanity Fair, or something like that. And I vaguely recall seeing a TV interview where she claimed the same thing.

Hmmm? I'm going to see if I can locate that article. Honestly, I haven't really seen much of her in the media, so perhaps she doesn't talk much anyway, but even Nicole hasn't said much, and neither has Katie, so I am surprised if indeed Mimi did spill intimate details...especially something as private as that.

Tiger

 

[RadioNate]

Both cases predate the Act, which was first approved in 2000 and a revised version in 2002.

In cases of assisted conception, the couple who consented to it are the legal parents. "The donor cannot be the legal parent under any circumstances."

But Suri was born before they were married. We don't know what her birth certificate says. IF Tom is not listed on the BC where does the legality of his parental rights fall then? Even if he is listed, they weren't married so would he have needed the court to establish legal parenthood. Obviously it varies by state and I don't know about CA.

 

[Janepod]

Hmmm? I'm going to see if I can locate that article. Honestly, I haven't really seen much of her in the media, so perhaps she doesn't talk much anyway, but even Nicole hasn't said much, and neither has Katie, so I am surprised if indeed Mimi did spill intimate details...especially something as private as that.

Tiger

I remember it too. I think it might have been Playboy or Esquire - it was definitely more male-oriented than general interest. She also says something like, "and he's not gay - I should know."

It was before he hooked up with Kidman so I would guess 1993ish.

More fun conspiracy stuff, on Suri's birth certificate:
http://hollywoodconspiracy.blogspot.com/2006/07/discrepancy-on-suri-cruise-birth.html

 

[minnie56]

Initially I thought it sad, still do really,

Then remembered something my DD told me about a year back...

She works for a PR firm in Manhatten. A girl joined their company who had worked for Katie Holmes, can't recall in what capacity. Anyways....she told my DD that K & T had a marriage contract that stated she had to stay with him at least 5 years and that the marriage was in name only. I told my DD nonsense..didn't buy it.

Now I am having a hmmmm moment?

 

[goofinoff]

Initially I thought it sad, still do really,

Then remembered something my DD told me about a year back...

She works for a PR firm in Manhatten. A girl joined their company who had worked for Katie Holmes, can't recall in what capacity. Anyways....she told my DD that K & T had a marriage contract that stated she had to stay with him at least 5 years and that the marriage was in name only. I told my DD nonsense..didn't buy it.

Now I am having a hmmmm moment?

I remember hearing this as well. I also remember that Katie wasn't his first choice. I heard that she was 3rd on the list and the other 2 refused to sign a contract.

 

[brookmey]

OK, now I'm jumping on the gossip/conspiracy train!

I remember hearing years ago that Nicole Kidman had a miscarriage when she and Tom were married. Everything she said would lead one to believe that Tom was the father.

http://www.sheknows.com/entertainme...e-beans-on-marriage-and-divorce-to-tom-cruise

 

[RadioNate]

But Suri was born before they were married. We don't know what her birth certificate says. IF Tom is not listed on the BC where does the legality of his parental rights fall then? Even if he is listed, they weren't married so would he have needed the court to establish legal parenthood. Obviously it varies by state and I don't know about CA.

I remember it too. I think it might have been Playboy or Esquire - it was definitely more male-oriented than general interest. She also says something like, "and he's not gay - I should know."

It was before he hooked up with Kidman so I would guess 1993ish.

More fun conspiracy stuff, on Suri's birth certificate:
http://hollywoodconspiracy.blogspot.com/2006/07/discrepancy-on-suri-cruise-birth.html

Ok so we know Tom is listed as the father. But there are other "problems" with the certificate. Hummmm lol

http://www.tmz.com/2006/07/10/exclusive-suri-cruise-birth-certificate/

 

[Janepod]

It was her doctor from the set of Moulin Rouge (knee doctor?) who got her pregnant. She also slept with Ewan McGregor.

 

[mhsjax]

Scientlology was her breaking point. She is worried for Suri.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/06/29/katie-holmes-scientology-tom-cruise-divorce-suri/

Oh man, after watching that video I know she is worried for Suri. I don't know that stats but it seems to me that most of the Scientologists are celebs. I could be wrong, but it just goes to really drive home my belief that a lot of the celebs are just really missing a few good chemicals in the brain. They are so desperate for something that they turn to this non sense. I hope Katie gets Suri free from Tom. HE and John Travolta (another idiot) can go off into the Scientology sunset together.

 

[Imzadi]

Oh my! That is an amazing coincidence...



Hmmm? I'm going to see if I can locate that article. Honestly, I haven't really seen much of her in the media, so perhaps she doesn't talk much anyway, but even Nicole hasn't said much, and neither has Katie, so I am surprised if indeed Mimi did spill intimate details...especially something as private as that.

Tiger

Tom married Mimi just as he was becoming famous for Risky Business. I think she was also a Scientologist. So between, his previous lack of fame, Mimi being a Sci and a bit older than him, it was probably a time before he developed the sophistication & savvy to make his GFs/wives sign non-disclosure agreements. SINCE Mimi, I'm sure he has.

 

[ladypage]

http://www.startrip.tv/images/holmesfakepregnancy.jpg

That looks like a really bad photoshop.....

 

[Janepod]

Tom married Mimi just as he was becoming famous for Risky Business. I think she was also a Scientology. So between, his previous lack of fame, Mimi being a Sci and a bit older than him, it was probably a time before he developed the sophistication & savvy to make his GFs/wives sign non-disclosure agreements. SINCE Mimi, I'm sure he has.

Mimi introduced him to $cientology.

 

[RadioNate]

Initially I thought it sad, still do really,

Then remembered something my DD told me about a year back...

She works for a PR firm in Manhatten. A girl joined their company who had worked for Katie Holmes, can't recall in what capacity. Anyways....she told my DD that K & T had a marriage contract that stated she had to stay with him at least 5 years and that the marriage was in name only. I told my DD nonsense..didn't buy it.

Now I am having a hmmmm moment?

I'm asking this is all seriousness because I've heard that from a few people. I've also read on Twitter where a few people are genuinely shocked they are getting divorced.

What made you think that it was "nonsense" and that there was no marriage contract? Trust me, you certainly aren't alone. And I'm not "picking on" you. I just wondered because you are the 1st person I noticed that said they didn't think the marriage was a sham.

My thoughts were that arranged marriages and contractual relationships have been around in hollywood for basically forever. The studios used to arrange 'relationships' for stars and to promote things all the time. Several actresses have said that they were approached by Cruise's people. Scarlett Johansson did meet him and has talked about the meeting at the Scientology center.

There whole relationship didn't make much sense to me. It seemed too scripted. Too Hollywood. A young, pretty C-list Hollywood actress asked to meet the A list star she had a crush on as a teenager...he agrees and they are immediately couch-jumping madly in love?

Clearly I'm no romantic.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

I'm sorry, I just don't buy "marriage contracts" and "nondisclosure agreements". I don't see how either of those would be legally binding to begin with.

Although Tom is still crazy.

 

[Octoberbride03]

As for what will likely be a NASTY battle, just keep in mind that Scientologists can and will use EVERYTHING a member ever told them during an "auditing" session in court against them. They're well known to badger auditors (verging on verbal abuse) until the auditor finally "admits" (some people will admit to stuff they never did or thought about just to get the auditor to stop badgering them)to whatever trauma, drama, stress or evil thought they've had.

I REALLY hope Katie didn't say anything nutty.

I looked up the test years ago out of curiosity and used fake name/address since you had to schedule an auditing appointment. Just wanted to see how nuts it was. And if she did the test and got audited afterwards, I have a hard time wondering how she could say anything sane It looked designed to see how nuts you are while agreeing with the Scientology principles.

Now I don't know enough about its current practices to call it a cult. However, what I have read about L. Ron Hubbard and how the whole Scientology bit came about has me believing he did it as a tax scam, create a religion and then screw the taxes from the "church" earnings. And I amazed at how many people he got to join him in this scam.

 

[Octoberbride03]

I'm sorry, I just don't buy "marriage contracts" and "nondisclosure agreements". I don't see how either of those would be legally binding to begin with.

Although Tom is still crazy.

Both are decades old practices in Hollywood, likely for the same reasons that Tom and Katy had in theirs, to hide homosexuality and other habits that might be deemed "income threatening."

 

[alex9179]

But Suri was born before they were married. We don't know what her birth certificate says. IF Tom is not listed on the BC where does the legality of his parental rights fall then? Even if he is listed, they weren't married so would he have needed the court to establish legal parenthood. Obviously it varies by state and I don't know about CA.

It doesn't matter if they were married or not. If the father is named on the birth certificate then he is the presumed legal father. In the case of unmarried partners, there are usually some documents to sign after the birth. There isn't any evidence that he's contested his paternity.

If he's not listed, that's a whole 'nother matter.

However he has claimed to be, and acted, as her parent for 6 years. The court isn't going to ignore that and they won't require him to prove any genetic tie based on media rumors. There would need to be a compelling reason, brought forth by either parent, for the court to require further proof.

I can't imagine Suri's parents putting her through something like that. She's an innocent in all of this.

 

[RadioNate]

I'm sorry, I just don't buy "marriage contracts" and "nondisclosure agreements". I don't see how either of those would be legally binding to begin with.

Although Tom is still crazy.

There are contractual agreements for everything. Heck, I've worked for companies that make you sign nondisclosure agreements. A marriage, by definition, is a contract. There are arranged marriages in many cultures today. What is there to "buy?" That people would enter a marriage w/out being "in love" to benefit themselves in some other way (financially?) You really don't believe that can happen?