tired already by the people helping the needy

[shrubber]

Im confused. How is that poster not supporting diversity?

Well, she said
Originally Posted by Holly
I never give to SA because they are not LGBT friendly.

I would never say so under normal circumstances, I would just smile and pass on by, but I also encountered an overbearing bell-ringer this past weekend and I did tell her why I wouldn't give.

Maybe because of the economic conditions the higher ups at SA have told the bell-ringers to be more aggressive.

And this is pretty close to on topic I think.
I would never think to go up to someone collecting for the needy or any charitable cause and tell them' No, I won't support your cause because I think what you/your organization is wrong'
How unbelievably rude and arrogant. If someone really supported diversity, why not simply say 'No, Thank you' and leave it at that?

 

[ogreenlee]

Im confused. How is that poster not supporting diversity?

Sometimes, the religious right use this against people who stand for equal rights, as if they're being discriminated against. I'm not sure if this is what is happening, but it's how I'm sensing it. I could be wrong.

 

[luvmy3]

If you aren't willing to talk about something then don't bring it up END OF STORY!

I never said I wasn't willing to talk about it, but its posters like you who turn the threads ugly and I didn't want it to go there, but thanks for bringing it down
Like I said, the PM function works both ways

 

[happygirl]

I never said I wasn't willing to talk about it, but its posters like you who turn the threads ugly and I didn't want it to go there, but thanks for bringing it down
Like I said, the PM function works both ways

LOL there were many that agreeded with me, but thinks for singling me out. If you don';t want to share that fine it's not me that looks like they don't have any idea what they are talking about

 

[shrubber]

Sometimes, the religious right use this against people who stand for equal rights, as if they're being discriminated against. I'm not sure if this is what is happening, but it's how I'm sensing it. I could be wrong.

How in the world does SA deny anyone equal rights fer crying out loud?

 

[ogreenlee]

LOL there were many that agreeded with me, but thinks for singling me out. If you don';t want to share that fine it's not me that looks like they don't have any idea what they are talking about

There were? I also think she singled you out because you're the one making the stink about it.

How in the world does SA deny anyone equal rights fer crying out loud?

They make it pretty clear that they do not support gay rights and use their religious affiliation to back up their stance. As far as specific incidents, you'll also have to google, as I don't feel like it, but there were shady things that happened during Katrina and other disasters from things I have read. I don't feel like looking those things up.

 

[merryweather20]

A qoute from the Advocate? Srsly?

Looks like its a quote from "Wikipedia"

I'd quote Salvation Army Ethics page, but it brings religion into every sentence (not Dis approved)

I think I can avoid politics with the reason I don't donate

This is a quote from the founder and the first General in the Salvation Army

“We have a problem. When two officers marry, by some strange mistake in our organization, the woman doesn’t count.”

This was in 1888, and its gotten worse since William Booth!

Its a nice idea to ordain women, but you can't just turn around and discriminate against married women. This wasn't even something Mr. Booth wanted.

 

[happygirl]

There were? I also think she singled you out because you're the one making the stink about it.




They make it pretty clear that they do not support gay rights and use their religious affiliation to back up their stance. As far as specific incidents, you'll also have to google, as I don't feel like it, but there were shady things that happened during Katrina and other disasters from things I have read. I don't feel like looking those things up.

Go back and look there were several, I don't know how to muliti quote or I post them.

How funny I'm making a stink because I'm stating my opinion but you are fine and dandy to post yours. WOW

 

[merryweather20]

How in the world does SA deny anyone equal rights fer crying out loud?

They don't pay female married officers. If it were in a private business it would be illegal!

This has devastated families who have lost one partner, or where one officer has become disabled, or where there is a breakdown in the marriage.

 

[luvmy3]

LOL there were many that agreeded with me, but thinks for singling me out. If you don';t want to share that fine it's not me that looks like they don't have any idea what they are talking about

I singled you out because of the air of entitlement in your post I quoted.
Maybe you should have looked at the posts, I did share, and I also answered a poster who thought they would ask in a PM, where I shared a more personal view that I didn't feel everyone on the DIS needed to see, again because I didn't want this thread to turn way OT. This is a thread about overbearing charities and stating that you do not donate to one still is perfectly acceptable and O(n)T, but unfortunately there are those, like you for instance who for some reason think they are entitled to know why. If you didn't see it in the thread and really wanted to know, instead of argue and throw insults then you could have simply PM'd those who said they didn't donate to SA. I'm guessing you really could care less and are just in it to argue, and you have yet to prove me wrong

 

[C.Ann]

I'm guessing you really could care less and are just in it to argue, and you have yet to prove me wrong

I have been on the DIS since 2001 or so and while it did take me some time to figure it out ( a little slow on the uptake - LOL), I have found that when some posters demand more information (or "specifics"), 9 times out of 10 they are looking for something to argue about or pick apart..

There is one thread in particular right now where I could demand or insist that a poster give me specifics and I can assure you the poster would not be willing to give that info - even though the poster is fully engaged in the topic of that thread..

There are many, many posters on here who prefer not to go into every minute detail of every one of their opinions; personal situations (thus the posting under an "alias" for a sensitive subject that they don't care to be ripped apart for); ethics; morals; religious beliefs; political beliefs; style of parenting; announcing their annual income; etc.. Questions can be answered in a satisfactory manner - without having to write a "tell all" - if one so chooses.. If others have a problem with that, it's best to just skip over those posts/threads or put those posters who won't give in to their demands on "ignore".. It's really not worth getting upset about.. It does often seem as though some people are just itching for a fight..

 

[shrubber]

They don't pay female married officers. If it were in a private business it would be illegal!

This has devastated families who have lost one partner, or where one officer has become disabled, or where there is a breakdown in the marriage.

I do not believe that is true. Cite?

 

[TDC Nala]

My opinion is that they can say anything they want (as long as they don't get in your face) but once you say "no" they should leave you alone. Obviously most people can't give to everyone with a bucket out. If they started lecturing me about saying "no" I think I might go into the store and talk to a manager about their confronting customers and I was thinking about not shopping there as long as that goes on (and others might, too)

 

[shrubber]

They don't pay female married officers. If it were in a private business it would be illegal!

This has devastated families who have lost one partner, or where one officer has become disabled, or where there is a breakdown in the marriage.

It's not a private business, It's an arm of the Church.
You seem intolerant of other peoples beliefs.

 

[AndreaDM]

Back to the origional topic...this is one of the reason I LOVE shopping online or at Target, no solicitors. I can't go into Walmart (anytime of the year, not just now) without being accosted by someone hounding me to help the veterans, buy cookies, save the squirrels, whatever. We give generously all year too, our church, the CF Foundation, Susan G Koman Foundation, not to mention food drives and sponsoring people doing charity walks, etc. We cannot give to every cause and I refuse to feel guilty about it.

I also just want to give you our family's experience with the Red Cross. My 13 year old neice died of CF 2 years ago. My nephew was in Korea with the Army at the time and was trying to get home to see his sister one last time before she died (she was in the hospital for 2 weeks and we knew it was inevitable). The Army doesn't pay for transportation for things like that so he (a young 19 year old with no money) borrowed $1500 to get a ticket home. Someone referred him to the Red Cross after he got here, and they reimbursed almost his entire ticket. It didn't take weeks or months, but only a few days to get it all in place. Our family will forever be grateful to them.

 

[FireDancer]

Wow, this is turning into the Boy Scouts debate all over again. The SA are entitled to their beliefs as are all of us. If you support their views and want to give to them, give. If you don't support their views then give elsewhere or not at all. Let your views be expressed with your dollars, seems pretty simple to me.

I have never had an overly pushy person ask for anything around Christmas but I do almost all of my shopping online and avoid retail establishments in December as much as possible. I have a particular charity I give all my extra to and I do a lot of local 5K's and almost all are a fundraiser for one organization or another. Charity giving is down this year so it might be a bit worse than normal but that hasn't been my experience.

 

[merryweather20]

I do not believe that is true. Cite?

Googling is free, quick and easy. You'll find most of the discussion on former salvation army officers boards like this one:

The current Salvation Army (USA) policy on allowances for married officers which provides for one allowance that is in the husband’s name is one that has been in place for many years, with varying impact upon Salvation Army families and individual officers, particularly married women officers, who make up approximately 45% of the officer corps. The common rationale for the current policy is that it maximizes the financial benefit for married officers in retirement, but the downside to that policy has implications that I believe outweigh any possible financial advantage. As a policy, it is built upon cultural assumptions regarding the roles of women that are not accurate in this century.

http://fsaof.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2009-11-12T13:53:00-05:00&max-results=10

But it certainly does pop up in the news from time to time:

Sometimes women outside the church raise their eyebrows when they learn that both husband and wife work full time, but only the man gets a paycheck, he said.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/site/printerfriendlystory.aspx?articleid=20090207_18_A9_Thenew499103

This has obvious consequences to SS compensation, credit history etc., its not acceptable to discriminate in this manner and its also tantamount to tax fraud.

 

[merryweather20]

It's not a private business, It's an arm of the Church.
You seem intolerant of other peoples beliefs.

Beliefs

Discrimination, not so much. I'm aware they are a private business. That is my concern. Any charitable organization should strive for higher ideals, not lobby to promote themselves to discriminate.

For that matter why did you quote the same thing twice...

 

[TwinsinCA]

Back to the origional topic...this is one of the reason I LOVE shopping online or at Target, no solicitors.

That is yet another reason to love Target. You get the occasional petitioner out front but people do not ask for money and they don't do it inside at the checkout either. I have been told by the managers of two different grocery store chains that the people out front get permits and there is nothing the stores can do about it. But somehow Target keeps them away. I'd love to know how.

 

[ogreenlee]

It's not a private business, It's an arm of the Church.
You seem intolerant of other peoples beliefs.

I make it a point to be tolerable to any belief that doesn't hand out a pamphlet to random strangers.